CaPiTaLiSM iS BaD

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now post dirty donnie

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Fucking cuckservatives are obsessed with this bitch i swear

>roads
>NASA
>the internet
>every fucking drug in your cupboard, including the insulin for your diabetes

yeah man socialism is terrible!

damn you trumpies/russian trolls are just pathetic

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tHaT HurT My fEelinGs, ThEReFoRe I'm ThE ViCTiim

never went to college far I'm in a trade. I get paid well but I do not have the wool pulled over my eyes like you, you gigantic blind faggot.

It was nice for Bill. Soviet Union collapsing and all.

she get blacked?

You conveniently left out the fore word, "Vulture" before your autism miraculously allowed you to somehow spell, "Capitalism".

Everyone is a Russian bot. Nice to see that libs haven't changed.

Commie detected

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pretty much, this

Capitalism isn't bad, because bad is a value judgement.
Capitalism is ineffective at allocating resources, protecting the environment, securing the rights of workers and changing itself. In fact, Capitalism actively encourages the opposite of those things; we have to rely on people acting against their best interests in order for any of those things to happen.
I personally think there must be other economic systems that do not have that problem. There is nothing wrong with thinking post-capitalism

inb4-hurrrr communism!
I'm not communist, I'm just post-capitalist.

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Kek. Even the total between the two Bush presidents isn’t equal to one Democrat president

BuT DemOcRaTs aRe FoR tHe PoOr

So wait, are we commies or not? Seriously. Because every time I turn around Trump has his nose up another commie's shit tunnel. Are we prooooo? Naaaay? Fuck he makes this shit so fucking confusing!

Another fucking cortez thread. So suprised

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Russian trols dont exist faggot

>Capitalism is ineffective
As always, lefties attacking the wrong problem.

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But vox is a fucking buzfeed wanabe.

Based and intelligent post

JFK was asking americans to volunteer for the peace corpse. he was not asking americans to work for money. idiots from russia making memes but know nothing about history.

so? that doesn't make it untue

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Lol

>cronyism is gud

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Do you know shit? You are causing the problem, your feeding the troll. Russian trolls dont exist, because putin is a fucking communist.

Different time. Different loopholes. I know history is hard for the left, but I encourage you to dig deeper.

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learn to spell, Ivan

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But vox has a tendancy to be another “kill cis males” site. They aslo own a bunch of other shitty thingslike the verge.

>implying infrastructure is socialism

Do you fucking think i can edit Yea Forums posts? If so, your a faggot, go back to /s/

Another useless cartoon. Just because the percentages are what they were, what was deductible has changed.

Vox is definitely biased but they have a few good videos

no u.
facts are facts

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Kinda agreed.

What’s leftist about understanding their is changes that need to be made to our current political structure?
How are we going to fix the issues that have arisen from capitalism and continue pushing our country and this world forward?

What exactly is the problem in your mind?

not an argument

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So what is the problem then? Profit is maximised when workers and the environment are exploited, and so that's what ends up happening. Resources are pooled into the top because acquiring resources is capitalism's end goal. Any change to the capitalist structure threatens the bottom line, and so change does not happen nearly fast enough.
It seems to me the common factor there is our economic system.
When feudalism stopped worked, we changed to a more effective system. And capitalism was much better. But now, it's clear capitalism cannot solve the issues we face, many of which are the result of capitalism itself.
And so thinking about what cool new economic system could come next seems rational.
Putting your fingers in your ears and saying
>no we'll do this forever and ever and ever
seems just like a capitalist pipe dream to me.
Do you think we'll just stay in capitalism forever, even though we've never stuck with any other economic system in the past?
thank fremnd

it is you fucking moron. a truly capitalist country would have private owners charging people to use roads.

It was like that in the past and we decided it would be better if roads were a publicly run asset.

You're actually a retarded faggot. sorry.

Percentages mean nothing when you can deduct. I assume you've paid taxes before.

You guys really are afraid of her aren't you? Every day, it's an AOC is going to change things thread.

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Capitalism = bad
Can't afford rent

>but we's can afford Apple

>watch as they scurry away from this argument when they learn Norway’s corporate tax rate has consistently stayed at 24% since 2010.

alternative implications are rather silly except to the imbeciles among this country's people

Brace for faggotry

Idk I'm not the greatest judge, I've only seen like 6 of their vids

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>So what is the problem then?
TLDR

Crony Capitalism. You don't abolish the most effective system to lift people out of poverty without addressing the problems in government and corruption. We still haven't solved that problem.

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Still waiting.

It’s good she kept Amazon out of NY no-one should have to work to earn a living from those assholes

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OP is a faggot

How about Norway? Would they be too socialist for you?

I gotta admit, I'm team free shit.

Healthcare, a good minimum wage... A nice retirement. Yes, please.
Unless Yea Forums is secretly the message board of the children of the top 1%, y'all niggas voting against your better interests and against your own salary, which I just cannot do. Seriously.
Racism, dead babies... Look, you can keep that bullshit, just don't fuck with my tax return. Y'all said I would get more with Trump. Turns out that was a lie.

So yeah, tax the shit The ABSOLUTE SHIT out of the rich!! Do it, I don't give a fuck, I'm not in that tax bracket!
And neither are you fuckers. You're just blind enough to vote against your own savings account.

Having said that, were I a millionaire, I'd obviously vote Republican. Alas, I am but a mere mortal making an upper middle class salary, so I'll vote based on my personal economics and not some fairy tale bullshit that has no affect on my bottom line.

Who knew Yea Forums was overall this wealthy? Just kidding you're not you have a psychological disorder that equates others wealth to that of your own, and you live vicariously through the lies of others around you. Sad really.
Better start saving now, fuckers. If you're not born into wealth and into the Republican party, it's a hell of a long climb.

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what does Ellen Page have to do with it?

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the left also fails to bring up how much tax evasion was going on during that time which actually caused less tax money to be generated.

She’s really not this dumb, r-r-right?

That's well and good for them, they don't need to dump the majority of their budget on the perverbial creatine that is the military

They were also the Americans with the highest employment rate before the Civil War.

>most effective system to lift people out of poverty
i disagree on two fronts;
firstly, it has been good at industrialising. That has been great and I agree with you there. It has taken us out of feudalism and I am grateful for that. But, that is the limit of it's ability to lift people out of poverty. Now we have industrialised, the opposite is happening. Year on year, the divide between rich and poor increases. We see groups like the IMF having to LOWER THE STANDARD OF WHAT IS CONSIDERED POVERTY in order to make it appear that people are becoming more wealthy. Seriously, look it up. The amount considered 'living in poverty' has fell year by year, they literally fudge the numbers to claim that poverty is decreasing while the opposite happens.
Secondly, because it is only the most effective one we've had so far. You do not know that a more effective system does not exist, you cannot predict the future. There may well be a much more effective system for lifting people out of poverty, so if that is your standard for 'good economic system' then you should advocate for change, no?

Personally, I would advocate for a smaller, syndicalist state. Can't have corruption in a system with no state, and democracy can be directly implemented through the workplace.

I'm totally down with AOC however I do realize that she rose too early.
Honestly, Trump isn't that bad and is more popular than I thought.
Dems aren't going to do good until maybe 2024

What, this post: ?

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I think you are going to be quite surprised if you underestimate public support for social democracy in 2020

I seriously would fap seeing her get all emotional and frustrated trying to argue with a sensible capitalist. Go up to her, put a finger on her mouth and shush her into submission.

>implying tax evasion isn't still just as rampant

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norway being a great doesnt have anything to do with it being one of the whitest countries in the world

Yes. Back then, real philanthropy was rewarded.

i just want you to know this is wrong.

>sensible capitalist
doesn't exist, nice fantasy though

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>AOC is gud
>Trump is gud
Do you have no convictions?

I’m with you b

>not effective

Except at generating massive amounts of progress in any number of fields. Medicine, technology, etc. Take away the monetary incentive, and it will go away. Sorry, but you can't expect people to work their asses off developing new things just for the sake of philanthropy. Especially when AOC literally wants a living wage provided by the government for people who are, and I quote,

>unable or unwilling to work

I just want you to know it is correct

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Yes, with a high luxury tax rate and a few other advantages, none of which work with what we have now.

> implying we don't have methods of catching people now that didn't exist back then.

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yeah, but... she danced in college for a meme video

Trips. Then fuck her into docility until she is impregnated. The hormones will take over and she will realize that she is meant to be a breeder.

If you aren't a Russian bot, you're an American bot amirite?

You Americans are a really fucking dumb nation

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>take away the monetary incentive and it will go away
I expect people to work not for philanthropy, but for shared need. If your work helps yourself AND helps others, I don't see why a monetary investment needs to be involved. And in the case of public ownership of the means of production, the work you put in directly benefits you. more so than if you work for something owned by someone else.
example;
>work for publicly owned pharmaceutical operation
>your labour makes medication you might need some day
>you get a proportional amount of other stuff from other fields from people who also benefit from that medicine
where's the problem with that

i just want you to know, no it isnt, this is a chart of 1790 to 2013, Obama actually borrowed so much more money after his first year in office that our debt made bush look like nothing.

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Why can’t you expect people to work their asses off just because they want to make the world a better place? I don’t think most scientists are in it for the money bruh bruh. Personally I do my job because I think it’s beneficial to society, the money is just a bonus

Studies have even shown people staying at their workplaces when given ubi’s and other forms of monetary benefits

time will tell

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HEY I SHOWED YOU MY DICK ANSWER ME

this is pretty misleading
the colors and wording makes it seem like Obama got out of debt, but he only cut it in half and handed over a deficit
The colors also want to imply Trump created a trillion deficit, but the deficit was already at ~600B from Obama

>Do you have no convictions?
I'm just being honest.

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This is actually true to a certain extent. The rich need to be taxed at the same rate as everyone else, all loopholes closed, but no exorbitant 70% tax on everything above X amount. Leaving loopholes in place, and giving them additional breaks is ass backwards.

But then again, Trump thinks we need additional nukes more than education reform. I wish he'd just focus on the wall. At least that would see some positive benefit to the economy, short and long term.

No because their military comes from America since the end of WW2.

At least Clinton could balance the budget.

>i’m just post-capitalist

Great, how retarded do you feel that your ideas have been around longer than Marx (since about the end of the French Revolution) and so for a significantly longer time than Marxists you’ve been wrong?

Capitalism is great for building a lot of wealth. The problem is, when the people getting the profits don't share enough with the people who actually do the work to make the profits, there has to be some way to ensure those workers can have a decent standard of living.
This has nothing to do with democracy.
Read some books, anons. Educate yourselves.
You don't have to remain poor and ignorant.

you are ignoring the nature of your fellow man. sure it all works in a perfect scenario. but people just do not behave that way something will give and it won't take much.

Compared to the Democrat president after him who didn’t even release a budget

That's not a counter to anything I said so I feel pretty good my dude, thanks.

CaPiTaLiSm Is GoOd

And Planned Parenthood. Plan B was a gift from the heavens to me.

IT'S MUELLER TIME

yes that is so much worse than anything on the democrats side, because only 1 side is good.

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They have very different politics, their only similarity is that they're master media manipulators

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Why would he feel retarded that people have theorized his idea before him?
Why didn’t you bring up any real points?

What? What nature do you refer to? What will give?
You've changed your argument, first you said
>people won't work for nothing
and so I showed you why that is misrepresenting what is happening. People do get something out of this structure. So you changed to
>it won't work because it can't work trust me

I don't get it, what is wrong with that system? Explain it to me in plain terms, rather than just stating it can't work

Capitalism is modern day slavery. CEO's and bosses are giving out starvation wages while pocketing 99% of the profits.

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Both had a Republican house to force them.

You know what's funny? You think the budget bill is what the President pimps in front of the cameras. By law, the budget passed by Congress is the one that matters.

The problem is, not everything is a shared need. >firefighters
>police
>military
>infrastructure

These are good examples of universal needs.

>new cancer treatment
>new iphone
>new car

These are things that some of us might need, or none of us need at all. They cannot be generated by just wanting to do a good thing for others. That is, unless you suddenly expect everyone to be perfectly moral and equally as hard working, which sounds far-fetched to me. At the very least, it might be possible, but I don't think the government seizing means of production by force will generate it.

Why is the right so utterly obsessed with this chick? Like, I get why the left obsesses over Trump. He is the president, you vote on him, and he has a ton of power. This is just one congresswoman out of over 400 people in congress, in a district I'd wager no one here lives in. Why is AOC derangement syndrome worse than Trump derangement syndrome?

>Norway benefits from the us invading countries for oil
Okay lad whatever helps you justify global tyranny

Ignorance really is bliss. Thank you for confirming

Well, bruh bruh, you'd be wrong. Scientists go where the grant money is. That's why we have orphan disease research funds. Not a single doctor on this planet would pay out of their own pocket to research a disease that wouldn't give a return on investment.

>slavery implies force
>being so irrelevant and unskilled you can't earn a wage aside from whoring out yourself to make a ceo money
It's not slavery, it's you being too retarded to do anything other than

Actually tho

I think you think worse of the nature of man than the nature of man really is. You have a pessimistic view

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He should feel retarded because Marxism did not achieve popularity until the late 19th Century and all his predictions were wrong.

This guy’s ideas of “post-capitalism” were pre-Marx, early/mid 19th Century, so he’s been wrong for a longer period of time than even the most retarded Marxists

Why can't you answer a simple question, dude? Why are you phone posting on Yea Forums?

You what?

You don’t have any idea about what happened in Europe after the end of the Second World War do you? Like not even a speck..

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(((You)))

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I accept your concession.

WHAT IS THAT THING?

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I'm not who you were originally replying to. human nature is what I'm referring to. People are selfish, lazy, hateful, etc. I'm not saying ppl will not work for the greater good but to say enough ppl will do so to the point we can sustain those fields is the issue. I simply don't see it happening otherwise it would have already been in use. you can change the system but you can't change ppl.

You are forced since most companies are offering similar starvation wages and you need money to survive.

>they cannot be generated by just wanting to do a good thing for others
I agree actually, but I didn't advocate for that did I? To expand on the other example, your pharmaceutical operation is aware that there is a demand (even if small) for that cancer drug. It produced to meet demand, which is small as there is a more limited use for it. The benefit to it's workers is multifaceted; it increases overall productivity by ensuring the health of that group of cancer patients, and a more productive society means more stuff for everyone. It means if you or your family contract that cancer, you have peace of mind. And it means that you have a source of guaranteed labour-because in this system you still need to work in order to get stuff. Your labour is paid by the labour of others, just like in this system. By working to make that limited cancer treatment, you have more ability to get food or clothes or cool shit. Money as we call it.
I'm saying get rid of investment and value extraction, not getting rid of currency.
>government seizing means of production by force
the fuck
what a strawman. I am in favour of a smaller state in which the workers own the means of production. And this would come democratically, not by force. Not for some time I'd imagine, we'd need many poltical changes to get to that point.
but I agree that a violent government takeover of industry would be bad, you don't need to argue that with me

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>99% of furries are lgbt
>republicans hate gays
>falling for reactionary troll images
you tried

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see I think you are misrepresenting my point a bit. People would still have an incentive to work in this system

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>Norway benefitted from the fearmongering add campaign for the MIC that was the cold war
>The cold war is still going on today

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What are they?

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Why can't you answer the question, dude? Why does this barely 100 pound chick make you piss your pants in fear to the point your news station just talks about some chick who isn't even 2 months into her term, 24/7?

>CaPiTaLiSM iS BaD
Maybe so, but this is autistic and I don't believe I trust your integrity, OP.

It is in use, but only in small scale groups.
There are loads of communes and what not that run on the doing what you can to keep everyone afloat. Not to mention tribes, or things like families and workplaces

In a large scale, I don’t know, it might it might not work

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No, I have many liberal family members who are swept away by her rhetoric. They get mad if you even dare to ask how she plans to pay for her insane plans. She's a genuine, real senator who criticizes her detractors for pointing out the massive problems with just throwing out lofty goals with exactly ZERO plan on logistically making them work. To quote AOC directly;

>even if every corporation and billionaire in America were to immediately contribute all of their available assets, it wouldn't be enough

And then at a later date

>THE WORLD IS GOING TO END IN 12 YEARS IF WE DON'T DO SOMETHING, AND YOUR ONLY QUESTION IS HOW ARE WE GOING TO PAY FOR IT?

It's like.... well, yeah. If it's so dire, shouldn't we figure out a way to actually fix it?

>But, that is the limit of it's ability to lift people out of poverty.
I disagree. Capitalism is base on entrepreneurialism. Without entrepreneurialism, poor people get out of poverty. Without capitalism, goods aren't made cheaper organically. That's not even a disagreement between liberals and conservatives.

Again, because you're too much of a dotard to have skills that earn a source of income aside from whoring yourself out. Not slavery, but utilizing the

>well it isn't exactly very effective. unless you're super rich

It's so fucking effective that one of our biggest problems is that there is too much food and everyone is getting fat. That's a problem you would never have in a communist country.

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Liberals

Obama isn't President
your dumb faggot is

Name someone you know who is actually starving in a western capitalist nation

>oh right the 24/7 cheap fast food
>the private charities, food banks et al

>Republicans hate gays
Then why are they such faggots?
Checkmate boomercuck

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Was it? It's not rewarded today? I beg to differ.

What should we do with them?

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I live in Cali. The point?

This doesn't really answer why you are obsessed with her to the point the right can only talk about her, as if she was running for president.

It is if it goes unchecked, and corporate lobbiests have been hard at work removing as many checks as they can for the last century.

>What is the health insurance industry
>Pharmaceutical industry
>Car Dealerships
>Telecommunication monopolies
>Electric Monopolies

I can go on.

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Why would you call me a "dotard" which is the nickname for a capitalist lover and career criminal: President #45.

>too much food
You mean there's too much cheap food that's bad for you and people need to exercise more
including you.

Conservatives usually just accuse everyone of being trannies, commies, reddit, resetera or some other boogieman with no claim to reality

got me good there

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I am not Liberal though, so I don't see why that is relevant. I disagree with both groups equally.
I don't think capital is essential for entrepreneurs, though. It is only needed in our current system of investment capitalism. In a system where innovation is unshackled from investment, I'd expect to see more of it.
If the means and result of that entrepreneurism was made public, then we'd see people lifted out of poverty much faster than capitalism can achieve. As it stands, capital is an artificial limit on that.

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>They get mad if you even dare to ask how she plans to pay for her insane plan
What are taxes?
>addressing our economic inequalities and man-made climate change=insane
also, they get mad because you're a fucking dipshit who can't be reasoned with

All 100 or so of them

Man, you've been getting your ass kick this entire thread

It's hard to pay for food when you need to pay rent + bills which are only going up while wages are stagnating. It's not so difficult to understand...

fair point but now let's look at other jobs aside from something medical. garbage/sewer waste management for example. I think most would say this is a necessary thing but I don't know anyone who's jumping for joy to work this field. If it was me in your scenario I would think why work this job when I could do something else whatever your preference for the same thing in terms of living and contribution to society. How do you get ppl to do the jobs that are needed but unwanted? Let alone perform them to a standard.

Guess the left don't get the irony of that meme. You complain about Russia and see Russians all over the internet, yet Socialism hasn't flourished because of US intervention. The irony is strong.

But no one cared to answer how we'd pay for giant tax cuts for the rich

How is life in California? Has the commie welfare state collapsed yet?

Pissing pants? Like low test democrat "nice guys" around women?

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And the left doesn't do the same with different words? You can't claim the high ground on that.

Fucking hell Eric Andre is a genius

Enjoy your baldness and prostate cancer

Nice weather and I don't need to deal with biblical plagues invading the town every year like the south

California is warm, sunny and the girls are still beautiful user! Thanks for asking.

You literally started this, retard

fucking leeching parasites everywhere I'm leaving this shithole as soon as I'm able to.

Yeah so logically we should make it more expensive to hire people yeah?

Artificially increase the cost for business owners to earn their living and pay their bills, and buy their food, that’s the most logical solution, they’ll just suck up absolutely no possible negative consequences there

So do something else then. That would be fine in such a system. Two things come to mind here
>the role of automation would reduce the need for such manual labour, as we wouldn't need to 'make more jobs' for the sake of artificially preserving capitalism. We could freely automate anything we wanted
>We could allow people to work multiple jobs, as much or as little as they wanted, with no reason to limit that. If you wanted to just do a couple hours of manual labour, that'd be fine as they'd be publicly owned safety nets. If you didn't want to be a garbage disposal worker, someone else would probably want that work to some extent
so that'd be fine. Just don't do that job, leave it to machines and a very flexible transient workforce that capitalism does not allow for

I can't wait for the day she is under 2 inches of worms

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>Digging through the internet to find pictures of people you don't know because you don't like the idea of them
>Saving those pictures so you can totally pwn libtards on the net
>Feeling better about yourself because of this
Whatever floats your boat brah

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if they can't absorb the costs without raising prices or cutting hours then they shouldn't be in business

>you've been getting your ass kick
nice

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>I don't need to actually debate because I have meme images
You're younger than 18, get off this site

lol NO.

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>t. someone whose never owned or operated a business

>also a science denier
Jesus

I agree with him. This stupid conservative society holds us intellectually hostage.

Small businesses are a cancer anyway

Warm. Hot chicks. Pretty good weed, and this winter has had some pretty killer swell, thanks for asking!

How's your winter user? Where are you from

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Louisiana. I gotta proof my house for the yearly shadfly infestation

You're running your mom's basement into the ground, actually

Buhbye

Keep being a "nice guy" cuckboi, women might finally touch your peepee

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he really is though. he really really is.

So do you concede that it is essential for capitalist business's to underpay workers and artificially inflate prices?

I knew you were a whore for big corporations.

“Oh please daddy Proctor and Gamble ram it in me!” - You

I am sure women are fascinated by your ice breaker of "the jewish question and the kikes"

Capitalism doesn't work

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Basements are already underground you dumbass.

We should make it so that the ultra rich billionaires start paying taxes and not just hoard all the profit which is made mostly by the lower level workers and perhaps pay them closer to how productive they are rather than try to find ways to pay them as low as possible.

My favorite is that Nintendo drug tests. I wonder if they still do it now that weed is legal here in Redmond?

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Said like a person who has no idea how prices work, or what a business cycle is.

The fucks a shadfly?
My fams from Mississippi, so I should probably know that

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>your labor is paid by the labor of others

But AOC, and many "socialist" leaning democrats have said that work should be optional. She has a provision in the new green deal to pay a living wage to anyone who is "unwilling to work"

Unless everyone starts busting ass equally, there will immediately become a system of leeches and providers. And without government intervention, eventually those providers will get sick of supporting those who are leeching. I'm not sure how you plan on democratically getting people to work hard. You can provide incentives, but some people just don't have the will to work harder than the bare minimum they need to provide for themselves. And some, not even that hard.

I'm genuinely not putting up the government seizing means of production as a strawman. It's just how it's always gone with socialist regimes, and I genuinely don't see a way to make it work otherwise.

>bulletproof
kek

Was this in Seattle?

>go to a large store
>good service and things in stock at MSRP
>Go to a small business
>owner is an asshole
>often breaking laws because he feels as if they don't apply in his store
>everything marked up
>no one to help
>usually any employee has bad attitude
>stores usually look awful
No thanks.

Gotta leave a little context

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I'd Kruschevfy her.

But you just said that if you owned a business, you'd know that you do need to pay workers less and less and make prices go up and up
I am just using your words here my dude

Most rich people dont horde money it does them no good. They actively invest in new ideas and projects.

If your in the USA even if your poor.. your still way better then any other point in history.

Your solution to all this is rich people are made to pay taxes to more rich people, just ones that sit in Congress instead of board rooms?

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Mayfly is another name for them

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That's a good point though, user. Why do you want a nation of stupid people?

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They crawl into your penis while you're fapping.

Hmm maybe I would be upset if I hated jews instead of just making fun of the effeminate estrobois that hits a personal note

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>using my words
>can’t link a post number

Go for your life, i’ve got time.

>work should be optional
especially if you're an artist, user
you shouldn't have a "job"

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LOL wHy aRE yOu So sCaREd oF HeR?!

Yeah that is pretty swell.

Actually, it did. I'll copy and paste so you can read it again

>I have many liberal family members who are swept away by her rhetoric.

If people on the left believe in her that strongly, there needs to be a mediating voice. That's all.

Taxes, eh? Care to read my post again

>even if every corporation and billionaire in America were to immediately contribute all of their available assets, it wouldn't be enough

That's from her own FAQ. So since they have such a massive percentage of the overall wealth in this country, and even taking ALL of it wouldn't be enough, please do explain how taxing people at a reasonable rate would do fuck all.

Dudes creepy either way

Gnarly.

hey faggot 3 guys have more money than the bottom half of Americans put together.

you're willfully allowing them to pay nothing in taxes while people in the middle lower and upper middle class provide them with billion dollar welfare checks but yeah bro the minimum wage workers are the problem

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>even if every corporation and billionaire in America were to immediately contribute all of their available assets, it wouldn't be enough
Funny how we can still have a working social network now even with less taxes user

this is a retarded argument

Yes. Capitalism IS bad. Very bad, in fact, though it can be made into a decent system with social programs and regulations that keep it honest.

So much this. The left’s logic is the epitome of retardation

>hurr rich people just want to get richer
>THEY JUST HOARD ALL THE MONEY THEY USE TO GET RICHER

I never defended that, did I? I'm not a right-winger, but I'm also not a socialist. The rich should have tax loopholes closed, and pay the same rate as everyone else. Not an insane inflated rate on everything above a certain amount.

Well, I've no great interest in defending capital L liberals. That was not was I was advocating, so it's odd that you'd bring it up.
That said, there is growing evidence that a UBI scheme helps to stimulate an economy. They might be onto something, I don't know.

Going back to what I was advocating for, you incentive's work the same way we do now. You work to get access to stuff. 'To each according to his need, from each according to his ability'. You just remove the part where investors extract value from that work. Quite simple really.
>It's just how it's always gone with socialist regimes, and I genuinely don't see a way to make it work otherwise.
I'm not advocating for socialism so much as looking at what post-capitalism might look like. Sure, it has socialist elements like public ownership. But personally I think that works best in the opposite way to what you suggest; a much smaller state. Something like syndicalism where workers enact democracy through the work place. So that's why I feel it is a strawman-you are saying I am pushing for some kind of USSR system despite the fact I don't agree with that.

they do though. you sound like a retarded faggot who knows nothing

>Taxes, eh?
Yes. All wealth taxed at 2% on top of a 70% tax for those earning 10 million or more annually, capital gains taxes, tax on Wall Street,

You just sound like an asshole if you're opposing this btw.

>I am not Liberal though, so I don't see why that is relevant
It's actually an acknowledgement that both sides of the political spectrum don't argue that point.

>I don't think capital is essential for entrepreneurs
I don't see how it isn't. Capital is always necessary when starting a business, regardless of the source.

>If the means and result of that entrepreneurism was made public, then we'd see people lifted out of poverty much faster than capitalism can achieve.
That's never worked as effectively. Besides a governments investment is no different than a venture capitalists, with one exception. The expectation of results. I fail to see how an entrepreneur, starting a business, has to obtain capital through a government bureaucrat (with the glad handing and corruption that inevitably goes with it), is more effective than investors freely giving their money to a project with the expectations of results.

>t. someone with forever minimum wage job floating the poverty line and no savings
Why do boomers have it so easy!!!!

You’re legitimately beyond help.

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Living wages would reduce taxes and less money would need to go into public assistance.

see said in response to someone suggesting that if a business can't maintain profits without cutting wages or hiking prices, they shouldn't be in business.
So you are saying that business owner would know that YOU DID have to do those things

Didn't start it. Merely continuing it for my amusement.

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So you're saying Trump dernagement syndrome is actually legit? Also, constantly posting fake news about her like FOX is not mediating, it's just fear mongering.

>levels of ignorance of economics so much so they don’t understand how retarded they are

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As a more centrist voter, it's actually a lot more diverse than you might think out here. SoCal is just so densely populated, you'd think there are no conservative minds in the state. I live up north, and there are plenty of more reasoned individuals up here. Trying to do our best to subvert the overwhelming propaganda.

Believe me, if I didn't live here my whole life and just love the location, I'd move. But this is my home, and I gotta make the best of it.

They did. You can't be this illiterate about history. Clinton lost his 1st midterm and so did Obama. Look it up.

“This Tushy room isn’t as friendly as the Blacked room”

you shouldn't have skipped meme classes in school

>tfw

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you're a retarded faggot if you think businesses wouldn't do business in THE RICHEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD even if it had retarded fucking regulations.

if given the chance to make 50 million dollars instead of 100 million they are still gonna make that 50 because if they dont someone else will.

Also great job believing an un-cited and unsourced image of Bernie that completely fabricated a policy stance.

retard.

>Capital is always necessary when starting a business, regardless of the source.
Because we live in capitalism. I am talking post-capitalism. So the need for capital is removed.
>Besides a governments investment is no different than a venture capitalists, with one exception.
I advocate for a smaller state with public ownership. They'd be no government investment either, but a public investment when something is mutually agreed to be needed. The investment would come in the form of labour or resources rather than capital. for example
>we'd like a new vidya game, and you'd like to build a new dev studio
>here is an office we built and the shit to make that game
>in return, we ask for the game to be publicly owned after
you get to innovate, we are repaved in turn by your innovation. What's the problem there?

Kek

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Then
>could put yourself through college on a mcdonalds job and also afford a new car and a house on the beach

Now
>Even a job earning you 100k a year is not enough to afford a home in some areas, a mcdonalds job isn't even enough to get by and make ends meet, there is a student loan crisis because no one can afford half a million for education

>WHY ARE MILLENIALS SO LAZY?!

It is a fact millenials are poorer than every generation before them.

It’s in response to someone saying “they should just suck it up”.

Without any consideration that a business owner also has rent, bills food to pay for.

What do you fucking think business owners are robots without any physiological needs to cater for?

Why?

t. Same people who tell students in debt, the poor, people with medical conditions they can't afford etc to "Suck it up"

hey faggot since 1980 the wealth of the top 1%has gone up nearly 400% while the 80% has not seen a rise in their wealth at all.

It's almost like you have this thought and think it's true just because you thought it. We all know you're a special economics snowflake but numbers and statistics kind of fly directly into your fucking face.

>and there are plenty of more reasoned individuals up here.

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No, not at all. I think business owners should follow their rational self interest and do whatever they need to. I just think it's a shame that our economic system encourages them to do that by cutting wages and inflating prices, and so I think we should find a better system if possible.

Isn't that the section that got burned to the ground and then Trump blamed them and said his supporters in CA deserve no help?

Trump had no excuse to lose the Midterms. But instead of touting the economy he decided to bellow like a faggot about some "Caravan" "invading" the country.
That's why you lost. Also, Kavanaugh.

“Doctor Parvel, I’m CIA”

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Where did they say to suck it up?

do you believe present day technology can do such a thing in terms of automation? I don't believe so or businesses would be utilizing it already. If we're talking future terms at what point are we "ready" for the transition? Sure there will be people willing but to the extent that they can sustain the workplace? I have my doubts. Even if you are able to sustain that single workplace what about the other ones across the country? just how many ppl will do jobs no one else wants out of the kindness of their hearts? Regardless of time frame for hours worked there's things ppl just do not want to do. At what point am I forced into a job I or anyone else does not want out of necessity?

What is the far rights opinion on the fact a republican in NC stole an election?

This thread is gay and it gave me cancer

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You know employee-less grocery stores are becoming a thing, right?

Imagine having this kind of logic. I work on oil rigs and easily clear $80k with nothing but a high school diploma. Literally all you have to do is not be a retarded faggot and you can do pretty well if you just try. Almost half the people I work with have felonies or duis or something.

Probably something like better than having a nig-nog serve in office.

>Because we live in capitalism. I am talking post-capitalism. So the need for capital is removed.
Capital is money. And money is needed in a world with limited resources. That's true in any sort of government.

>They'd be no government investment either, but a public investment when something is mutually agreed to be needed.
But that is still determined by an individual or government agency to release funds. A government essentially becomes the bank.

>you get to innovate, we are repaved in turn by your innovation. What's the problem there?

Because you are essentially turning the government into a bank and that one agency determines what is good for the people and what isn't. We don't get an Apple or a Google or a Netflix unless the government approves of it's usefulness.

All you have to do is give up user. Then we'll stop. :^)

user I wouldn't do your job if they paid me. I'd rather be safe. And alive.

Bullshit, zoomers grew up with a power fantasy that they'd have a convertible and a 4 bedroom house when in reality they live in suburb shitholes not places where that fantasy is affordable and they don't want to actually work the jobs boomers worked and cry they can only afford a condo, get more than minimum wage skills faggot

>We don't get an Apple or a Google or a Netflix unless the government approves of it's usefulness.
autism

No, seriously, no strawman. I know you're not arguing for government intervention. I'm just saying I don't think it's possible without it. I'd be willing to accept that I'm wrong if I'm proven wrong, but it just sounds like a pipe dream to me. I don't believe human morality, even with a really good convincing argument, will support a system like that. SOMEONE forcing SOMEONE'S hand would have to happen. At least in my view, but I'm just an asshole on Yea Forums.

You’re attacking the symptom whilst completely missing the disease

What does that have to do with what was being discussed? Clinton and Obama lowered the deficit because a Republican house was holding the purse strings. Try to stay focused.

>I'm wrong if I'm proven wrong,
um, when did you prove yourself right?

Let's think of that one show Dirty Jobs just how many of these many jobs do you think can be automated with present day technology?

I mean, what are the other options? Cry to someone else about how you didn't get born into a family that'd pay for a CS degree? I don't mind it tbh

Dumbass. Come up with a thoughtful answer or fuck off.

Socialist programs exist within capitalism, we can actually have "free" healthcare and education for all and still pay for the rest of our stuff...the fear mongering is just stupid

You have to have employees stock the shelves and stop shoplifters user.

There were some large fires, yes. But the gross misappropriation of funds is what caused it. We have 180 billion dollars in unmet infrastructure demands, despite a 30 billion dollar surplus.

Trump was a dick about it, but he's not wrong that piling more money onto a government body that's already misusing what they have is not the solution.

All the automation hype is for nothing. 2007-2008 had an unemployment rate of 12%~? And the unemployment rate is what now 4%? 4% unemployment says that technology is't taking jobs away

A CS degree should be easy to get. As in free, as long as you earn it. That's what AOC/Sanders wants to do.

Sad but true. The Fox drone retard brigade has been hijacked by Russian web brigade operatives and the cyber warfare branch of the Kremlin.

You have no idea how many people corporations employ to get around paying taxes do you?

Nationally it’s probably in the hundreds of thousands, JUST on avoiding having to pay taxes.

Use your brains a bit kid, what does that tell you? Profit/loss analysis says if they willing to spend that money to get around taxes, they’re just going to keep doing it and spend more no matter what tax level you can dream of

>stop shoplifters
zoomers actually believe this?

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I think it's something we'll see in our lifetime, so I don't think it's unreasonable to consider this kind of system for in the near future. We'd be ready for the transition as soon as it is democratically enacted., so when a party or movement can bring it into being through a clearly defined manifesto.
>what about other ones across the country?
As long as there is need, then the jobs would be the same through the country. The same system would be fine, and if there is no need then why create artificial jobs? In this system there is no value extracted from shareholders, so the profits of such industries can be distributed as the industries are publicly owned. There would be jobs enough, as demand would remain as it is now more or less, but where there are no jobs (or people can't work) there would be lots more to go around to support those people.
>At what point am I forced into a job I or anyone else does not want out of necessity?
I think this is a reasonable question, to be fair. I'd suggest two things, assuming there does end up being jobs unfilled (and we don't know if that would happen)
Either
>just as in our current system, doing jobs that are dangerous or difficult or unwanted gets you more reward for less work. If you do the sewer work, for example, maybe you get 'paid' your share of public assets with half the work
or
>there is a rota system, something like what we do for Jury service. Sure it sucks when it's your turn to take out the trash but at least it's fair. Everyone has to pitch in equally, as to their ability.
I think both of those systems are reasonable personally

Because it's theft.

Because you have this weird 1984 fetish about government, that we're all going to be automatons who won't want to innovate society without "the spark of capitalism" or whatever retarded thing you do to sell it to stupid socially backwards people.

Nope but Russian TROLLS do!

>government = socialist program
fucking retards out here actually think this is factual

see
unemployment is not the topic.

source: Fox News