Why are u hypocrite retards losing your shit when you see in rekt threads people Killing/torturing puppies or cats or...

Because torturing for the sole purpose of entertaining the torturer is of much lower priority than killing and eating for the purpose of feeding my body.

I dont have any gore videos, but i would like to recommend a manga called ero-gros, in the name of gore

So what makes one motive ok?

Because dog's and cat's are cute and cow's look like the spawn of Satan

cute piggy

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>the spawn of Satan
That's why aliens fuck with them..

Who says that?You don't need meat and thee pleasure you get from it imo is as necessary as entertainment

Pigs are cute

That doesn't trigger me if that s your goal but i would prefer to just make a conversation here, if u want gore go make a thread

When people eat meat they don't see the cruelty that happens to get it to the plate.

Honestly I don't know, I'm not into the torture animals clips but it's not exactly hard for me to just not watch them. Problem solved. I don't get why people feel they have to watch them knowing from the thumbnail what is going to happen

Because one is a person likely born into a system where eating meat since birth is the norm and the other is showing early signs of being a serial killer... Seriously if you kill animals for fun and enjoyment (hunting aside) or even enjoy watching, you are just an odd individual and likely need medication

Cool, except i just lose my shit for hypocricy

Couse someone enjoys it

If you can find fun in the pain and suffering of innocent animals then Im totally convinced you could find the same fun if it were humans.

Going vegan or vegetarian is a good thing, but we still need meat for pets, and most importantly children. Just don't buy any 2$ meat from mass production and support local farms. That way you can have a responsible meat consumption.

Because torture and killing are two separate things

I agree killing animals for fun is preoccupying, doesn't make it more immoral than eating then imo

Death is painful for all living beings. Why does OP even give a fuck ?

Feeding children is a good point however i'm not really sure but i guess you could raise a healthy child with a vegan diet if you are well informed, anyway that is'n really correlated to the morality of eating meat when you obviously don't need to

What do you mean sorry?

Them*

I want to kill a guy for breaking into my house. I don't want to tie him up in my basement and torture him for two weeks because I'm not a sadistic psychopath.

I want to kill an animal for its nutrients. I don't want to torture and cause unnecessary suffering. Captive bolt gun stunning as used in slaughterhouses is pretty humane. One swift pop and they're unconscious, it's the last thing a cow feels.

Not a whole lot of hypocrisy here just a whole lot of you bitching about veganism and not refuting claims other than "I'm vegan so I'm better and love animals more than all you meat eating degenerate animal enslaving and murdering faggots!!" Also Veganism is expensive. Eating meat provides nutrients that are hard to come by in plant based foods without buying expensive exotic food or supplements. Vegetables and fruits also rot quicker and are less calorie dense than meat making them poor choices for those on a budget. Taste is also a key here vegetables lack calorie density making them less appetizing to most. Fruits are great. Why the fuck does it matter anyway? Shouldn't you take it as a win that even in this degenerate shit hole people view the cruel senseless torture of animals wrong? maybe try being more idk friendly, like idk, talking about recipes, health benefits, and cost saving tips or something? Do like Scoob and just love thy neighbor OP. We aren't pieces of shit for eating a thing that is edible and tastes good.

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>i want people to be skilled at gathering nutrients for the tribe
>but enjoying the thrill of the hunt is just SICK

Modern men are such soft cowards

If i want to kill a child for its nutrient it s ok? Don t worry i won t torture or anything just a quick shot then i eat him

Soo...nice one Elon.

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There's already places to discuss tips for veganism and if you are interested check them out you ll find out that going vegan is not that expensive. i m not talking about that tho i just want people to not be fucking retarded hypocrites, i prefer people being ok with eating animals and torturing them for fun than people being ok with eating animals and bitching in rekt threads about a guy killing a kitten with a machete just because the kitty is so cute

We have no cast-iron basis upon which to deduce that other species of plants or animals, or even inanimate objects have any sentience whatsoever.

We simply know that we must consume sources of energy in order to survive and thrive ourselves.

I accept that I am physically weaker than a tiger (that would eat me given a chance to do do) but my intellect is superior to the extent that I can avoid that eventuality
..... and consume energy from whatever species and inanimate sources I choose while minimising the likelihood of them consuming me for as long as possible, before I am placed back into the ground to be consumed by worms, beetles, and fungi
..... as has happened since the dawn of creation.

Ok i m assuming you arealso ok with killing and torturing animals for fun (since we are superior and we have the natural right to or something),if so this post is not aimed at you

I see your point, but you have to understand making people that are on your side about animals being tortured being wrong shouldn't be the part that bugs you or makes you lash out because it makes people like me that are on the fence or trying to reduce their meat consumption switch sides since you are antagonizing people for something they did not choose to do. If society collapsed tomorrow veganism would not be a viable option and most vegans would go back to eating meat to survive. Eating is not a "moral" choice it's a survival choice. In this day and age survival on vegan food sources while not impossible is still a hassle vegan options for food are hard to come by unless you give it some effort and are fine with feeling tired while your body adjusts to the energy imbalance. Cute animals are cute. People aren't robots we aren't 100% rational there are animals people feel comfortable killing and eating and others we do not, cats and dogs help dispose of pests, cows are big meat animals that are also used to haul heavy stuff, horses are only really good at transportation. Animals have certain qualities and tasks we gave them and maybe that's why certain animals make us feel things, maybe its that more people have had pet cats and dogs than pigs and chickens, maybe it's just that there are more dogs and cats in media, who the hell knows.

Look of course you can live without meat, but if you do it doesn't put you on the same level as an animal abuser. We can debate all day long if eating meat is ok or not. I personaly think if you buy local meat from trusted institutions/farmers, and don't eat meat every day, thats completly moral. I just want you to acknowledge that eating meat and torturing animals for fun are two completly different things.

You should write Scientific American and tell them about the unprecedented inter-species romp that led to your mother giving birth to a jackass.

>why is torture wrong?

This retard sees a mosquito as having equal value to a human life and he wants to pretend he's morally superior when in truth he is morally defective.

I never do that. I eat meat and lurk on Yea Forums without losing my shit and OP is a faggot.

I don t lol what are you even talking about

>Ok i m assuming you are also ok with killing and torturing animals for fun

..... YOU ARE ASSUMING VERY WRONGLY

I am willing to accept that other species should be dealt with humanely when being killed for food, which is more than I would expect from those other species if they were killing me whilst preparing me to be consumed for their food.

Give it some thought, user. Maybe take a philosophy or history course at your local community college and ask the professor. You could read a book maybe, something with "civilization" in the title. Don't be a retard all your life.

Natural is not equal to good, not to mention poorly defined. Humans don’t “naturally” live in houses or eat processed foods. Should we all be hermits then? Humans don’t “naturally” marry one another or “naturally” take dumps in toilets. Should we just be whores and JK Rowling our shit? And what does naturally even mean in this context? Not made by humans? Without society? Part of some magical metaphysical category you pulled out of your ass? Animal agriculture fits in none of those criteria, anyways.

Why would you even eat them if if s not for survival reasons? And then you talk about respect.

a) torturing them is just plain wrong whatever animal it is

b) some of them are damn tasty ;)

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We could also resign technology cause it harms our planet, plant life and as result animals too. Lets go back to living in caves, no more computers, smartphones, cars etc. Lets eat grass and dance in the rain. How about that?

Dogs and cats have been natural allies and companions of humans for thousands of years.
They are compatible to each other and grew bonds because of this. It's become a natural order to feel for them and them for us.
As for eating meat, we're omnivores. Doesn't get any deeper than that.

but can you elaborate on why am i a retard?

A) why

Why is torturing animals for fun wrong in a moral system that permits you to enslave kill and eat them just for pleasure

Please user, tell me more about the philosophers, historians, and plethora of books on civilization you have consulted to determine that meat eating is essential to society. Never mind that such a question would be addressed by anthropologists first and foremost, you’ve got it figured out.

>b) some of them are damn tasty ;)
You’re looking like a snack fam ;DDD

I would have a problem with a person that adopts a life style that harms the planet and also complains about harming the planet

Can you elaborate on why am i a retard?

I eat the flesh of other creatures because that is the way in which my species has naturally evolved, with best expectation of survival

..... and that is exactly what |I expect those other creatures to do to me and one another, given the opportunity to do so.

It is nothing more, or less, than
> "survival of the fittest"

Being omnivores does not equal needing to eat meat out of nutritional necessity or moral obligation. Having some capability, like the ability to digest meat and plants, is not the same thing as needing to.

Try reading what i wrote again while holding off your projections.

Thank you user good arguments

Because torturing humans can have a purpose, because humans understand pain. Animals don’t, they just fear it without knowing why.

There is no reason what so ever to torture an animal, it can never understand if there is a reason or not. All it’s existence understands is pain, all you can put it through is pain, pain it can’t understand and thus cannot deserve or warrant being given.

Humans are generally not that great for meat, similar to apes

I drawed a diagram 4 u user :)

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Good! So why shouldn t we be able to torture and kill these (i guess inferior)creatures for fun?

Kek. Do you REALLY think animals can, hell even your average human understand slavery?

Clearly not, because humans have been in a form of slavery for over a century

You too

? I m missing the point. Are you sure you interpretated my reply correctly?

An excellent point dear Watson. But if you have nothing to say you might want to do just that - nothing.

Well of course we don't need to eat them. But they're edible so why not?

Nice so the guy at the left is CLEARLY the average meat eater, who needs meat to survive

You’re not subject to the same selection pressures as your ancestors. Many of formerly fit traits are maladaptive in modern society. For example, when humans become stressed, they become more aware and capable for some time, but this is not without a cost. Immune and reproductive function are suppressed and memory loss can result from stress. Previously, stress responses would be triggered in fight or flight situations where your survival depended on it, but civilization’s elimination of the need to defend oneself leaves them stressed chronically by other things, like social situations. Furthermore, because of the increase in life span in the past century, you probably won’t die before you suffer the consequences as your chronically stressed ancestors might have. You don’t need to do what your ancestors did because they lived in an entirely different world. Now, if you think that meat eating is essential to survival where you live, you probably live in a shit hole. Otherwise, it’s not, and you’d be delusional to think it’s going to help you pass on your genes.

>does not mean needing to eat meat out of necessity

Christ, you couldn’t be more brainwashed

a) the human brain evolved because of, and is made up of saturated fats and long string proteins found only in meat

b) recent research has show folic acid helps the brain repair/build itself, highest concentration of folate/folic acid? Beef

c) Vitamin B-12 is only found in its non-analog form in meat. All non-meat sources contain B-12 analogs or cobamide enzymes that actually increase the body’s need for proper vitamin B-12. B-12 defeciency is linked to a whole host of illness, mostly mental health problems.

? Dude i ll explain in an easier manner .Focus ok? So i m not advocating for going vegan i am advocating for going vegan if you think that being cruel to animals for fun is immoral.

Go explain slavery to a live stock animal, and convince it to hold placards and protest, then we’ll talk sweetie.

Simple
Torture bad but quick death good.

I'm okay with death and despair as long as I don't have to see it.

Not just a quick death is good, for high quality meat to be produced the animal has to live a life with low stress, and eat only the best food.

look guy people eat to live. you can't just cherry pick some people and wholesale call the act itself wrong. you admit that people in dire situations are allowed to eat meat with no moral objections. Just because some people abuse it doesn't mean the act itself is immoral. some people eat what they can meat is cheap and plentiful in our society vegan options are not. Someday being vegan may be as simple of a choice but you flinging shit about people just trying to eat and get on with their lives helps no one.

Are you sure these nutrients are exclusively found in meat? Genuine question

Yes and that

Yeah why shouldn t that apply to also humans? Or it does?

Here we go again with the retard vegan logic

Wagu beef is made from loser neet cows.

Why do i have to explain slavery to them what s your point i m dumb explain

B-12 vitamin comes from bacteria, bacteria that are attracted to (generally and I mean excluding feces) dead flesh.

Vitamin B-12 is a dirty little secret not often talked about in the vegan community.

Nice input you really look less retarded than vegans rn

> So why shouldn t we be able to torture and kill these (i guess inferior)creatures for fun?

I don't have any desire or need to do so.
The fact that I personally happen to find such activities to be distasteful is besides the point.

I believe that there are adequate Judicial enactments in place to restrict such unpleasant excesses to a minimum, though I also believe that there is scope for further reduction in all such instances of unnecessary cruelty.

That, however, is for a democratic majority to determine,
not some wild-eyed fanatics like yourself and other fucked-in the head extremists to moralise and dictate upon.

Dude i ll explain in an easier manner .Focus ok? So i m not advocating for going vegan i am advocating for going vegan if you think that being cruel to animals for fun is immoral.

You, much like an animal, don’t have the possibility of understand slavery, so thus what is the point in supposedly trying to save them from something they themselves do not have a concept of.

You’re basically trying to save an ant from Nazism or something

yes. It's why lethal injection and electric chairs exist when humans have been deemed too dangerous to exist they are killed in ways that are quick and painless.

Nice so if somethings is disgusting to me it should be immoral and illegal

firstly the law doesn't give a fuck what people think of it, and secondly you've been shitposting literally for hours how we should feel bad because you don't like meat.

And folate can be found in plenty of vegetables however, the brain doesn’t absorb it that well from the blood stream, so higher concentrations are best.

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Oh yeah i m not an american and i think that s retarded sorry we can t agree on that, and btw that should apply even to an innocent child, painless and fast death so who cares right?

I don't have to explain myself when countless people have said what I wanted to say. If you want to hear the same points again then sure I have no problem with giving you my input

1 ok ?
2 i like meat

>a) the human brain evolved because of, and is made up of saturated fats and long string proteins found only in meat

No, not really. I trust dietic and nutritional consensus over the facts you pulled from your ass. Also, like I covered in another reply, what led to something is not what it’s needs are now.

>It is the position of the American Dietetic Association that appropriately planned vegetarian diets, including total vegetarian or vegan diets, are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases. Well-planned vegetarian diets are appropriate for individuals during all stages of the life cycle, including pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, and adolescence, and for athletes.
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/19562864/

>b) recent research has show folic acid helps the brain repair/build itself, highest concentration of folate/folic acid? Beef

100 calories of beef contains 3.1 μg of folate, compared to 311.7 μg in 100 calories of broccoli. I used Cronometer to get those values. I’m guessing your confusion is because beef is more calorically dense than broccoli and other vegetables, so it seems like you eat less beef for more folate, given equal volumes, but you’ve also eaten less calories, so it’s not accurate to say you’ve ate the same amount of food.

>c) Vitamin B-12 is only found in its non-analog form in meat. All non-meat sources contain B-12 analogs or cobamide enzymes that actually increase the body’s need for proper vitamin B-12. B-12 defeciency is linked to a whole host of illness, mostly mental health problems.

Citations for magically different B12’s? B12 supplements exist and B12 is B12.

You are correct that B12 deficiency is dangerous.

Lol fuck off peta

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Fuck knows how you come to that misguided conclusion, based upon anything that I have written in this thread, or indeed elsewhere.

It is talked about, but there are some quacks that think they don’t need it. The sane among us take the supplements that exist.

Because nature is cruel like that. Most predators will attack the young and sick of a species. Newborn animals are eaten far more than fully grown adults.

youtu.be/6RVL-zD_sIo an example of how a predator will target the helpless.

The problem with this chart is that you aren’t comparing calorie to calorie. 1 oz of beef is not the caloric equivalent of 1 oz of spinach. Beef is more calorically dense. You ca plug in values for yourself on Cronometer if you don’t believe me.

You are correct about the bioavailability problem, but this isn’t a huge issue if you’re eating a decent amount of vegetables like you should on any diet. If it becomes a problem though, you can always supplement for folate.

Ok

>60% of the brain is fat

greatist.com/eat/healthy-fats-best-foods-for-brain-health

See table in And stop being retarded Google “B-12 Analogs”
>commenting on this stuff and not knowing your digestive enzymes

Ok so where do you disagree?

This is now my background.

Supplements that have only been made possible after the industrial revolution.

Thus veganism is not natural, and can only be healthy with manufactured supplement asistance, which arguably isn’t a healthy reliance.

You need to put your feelings aside and accept facts and evolution for what it is, or admit to needing pharmaceutical corporations to maintain a healthy existence (you’ll never be able to ‘live off the land so-to-speak)

This was a shitpost and it solved nothing soooooo it's spiderman thread time!!

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Can you explain why the caloric make up of food has to do with folate. Perhaps it’s my education, but I’ve only ever considered calories for energy intake/output

You are right i think i misunderstood your post. anyway if we agree that if something is distasteful doesn t mean it s immoral and also law doesn t make something immoral and the only reason you don t torture animals is because you don t want to do that we should agree that the act itself is ok right?

Respond to what I’ve said directly instead of bringing new things up. Why is the ADA not reliable?

>See table in #

Already responded to that

>greatist.com/eat/healthy-fats-best-foods-for-brain-health
>And stop being retarded Google “B-12 Analogs”

Red flags that show you don’t know shit: (1) linking to a shitty commercial health site, (2) not providing sources, (3) directing me to google and not at least google scholar

Let me see the video of YOU eating a tortured, burned, mutilated cat, big boy.

It wasn t

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Nah i m not into that, i also don't tell to people that do that that they should burn in hell or something

Because Eating doesn't mean Torturing!
You also shouldn't Torture Humans you only should Eradicate them!

A Torturing a Life-form who cant even give Information has no reason and therefore is a Singh for an unstable Mind of the Torturer!

And Unstable Minds need to be Eradicated first!

Wy would someone stop eating Meat as long Big Companies keep producing it and throwing away what is left...No Sense in that!

Humans are supposed to eat meat as long they have no way to replace it with something that fills the same purpose ana all Humans agree to step back from real Meat!

But anyway eating Meat does not give the right to torture anything..And btw...these Psychos don't even eat the Rats and small Animals they Tortured!

Do you want me to hold your hand and walk you through the building blocks of brain cells being Omega 3 and 6 EFA’s

Because i’d Rather not have to deal with you crying for realizing how retarded you are for thinking you’re an authority on nutrition and not knowing the building blocks for the brain which encourages Ketosis and is responsible for 20% of the body’s metabolic activity.

So?

The calorie to nutrient ratio is a more meaningful measure than the volume / mass to nutrient ratio because you are bound by a daily caloric requirement (assuming you don’t want to gain weight), but the volume / mass of the food you eat doesn’t (at least not in the long term) bind you. Think of calories as the amount of food itself and mass / volume as the food plus other stuff like fiber (which you just shit out). Basically, you can only consume so many calories a day, so the limiting factor of your optimal nutrition is your calories.

That exactly resembles what Humans are!

retarded argument

Damn these psychos don t even eat these rats inhuman sick fucks

Ok.. was fun guys

Meat is Meat right are you pretending to be stupid or are you???

Damn i got destroyed by facts and logic

Meat is meat

Its a difference to do what your instinct tells you or what you just think would be Fun to do!

>Do you want me to hold your hand and walk you through the building blocks of brain cells being Omega 3 and 6 EFA’s

No, I want you to respond to what I’ve said with peer reviewed research (preferably literature reviews), instead of just smug comments

>Because i’d Rather not have to deal with you crying for realizing how retarded you are for thinking you’re an authority on nutrition and not knowing the building blocks for the brain which encourages Ketosis and is responsible for 20% of the body’s metabolic activity.

If my current nutritional beliefs are wrong, I want to know that they are wrong so I can adjust my lifestyle accordingly. I appreciate your concern for my emotions, but I’ll gladly bear your glorious facts over your current attempt to stick your head as far up your ass as possible.

Also, I don’t think I’m an expert in nutrition, which is why I defer my opinions to credible consensus, like that of the ADA. You are asserting yourself to be a master of nutrition by not following the scientific consensus.

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I would eat yours after i copped your Head off fast and clean!

Ewww they don t even get the pleasure by eating them they just get it by the entertainment they get out of killing them

After i am sure its not rotten b.t.w.

HOT!

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Please do

>imagine being this retarded

That´s wy they Psychos that's wy we need to cleanse them from Erath

Noooooooooo i m so vegann why would you send that :(

AhahahhaHhahahahAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH right? Nice point ahahhahaha good job

No thx its Probably bad therefore i got no reason to do so!

I agree

:( nvm i guess i ll go now it was a nice conversation everyone cya

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Certain animals are useful for things that aren't eating. Like dogs, or cats for vermin hunting.
Name one fucking thing a chicken is good for if not for making nuggets.

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MEET isssss MEET

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laying eggs

EGGS

>Supplements that have only been made possible after the industrial revolution

Vaccines that have only been made possible after the industrial revolution.

Thus vaccination is not natural, and people can only be healthy with manufactured vaccines, which arguably isn’t a healthy reliance.

You need to put your feelings aside and accept facts and evolution for what it is, or admit to needing pharmaceutical corporations to maintain a healthy existence (you’ll never be able to ‘live off the land so-to-speak)

>Thus veganism is not natural

This literally doesn’t matter unless you’re a hermit. Do you want to be a hermit? Do you post on a Mongolian basket-weaving forum because you think a 100% natural lifestyle is the way?

>and can only be healthy with manufactured supplement asistance, which arguably isn’t a healthy reliance

How ‘bout you tell me how that is instead of beating around the bush?

>You need to put your feelings aside and accept facts and evolution for what it is

Please, elaborate on what you mean by this.

>(you’ll never be able to ‘live off the land so-to-speak)

Thank God for modern civilization. I would never want this. I am enjoying my 80 year life expectancy, higher education in pure mathematics, and luxuries of indoor living as it is.

Honestly, when you wrote this, did you try to come up with the worst possible strawman to represent me?

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I missed my morning shower for that reply user...

t. itchy student

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You're a fucking retard. Everything you do has an effect on the planet. Everything. The phone you use, being on Yea Forums and the cable and electric infrastructure involved in getting your stupid comment on here, wearing clothes manufactured by large industries, etc. In the end of it all everything on the plabet organic, synthetic, or otherwise originated here. We just evolved to think about this dumb shit and there is nothing we can do to actually change the planet permanently. If we kill off species and create another extinction event then it is just another natural step in the way the Earth develope, ie: WE CAME FROM IT. The simple fact that you can debate a moral position on killing/torturing animals is implicit to the fact that we have dominion on nearly everything on the fucking planet. So hat the fuck is moral if a tiger can eat an Indian man? Or a dog maul a child? Fuck off. I'm eating steak and soon enough some patch of grass will use me to continue the cycle, faggots.

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Angry typos from yours truly

Smart people

>21st century
>"Cats are for hunting vermin"
You live in Zimbabwe or what

Maybe you are just a normal psychopath?

What is the mosquito?

Yeah...America. I dont slaughter the animal so im completely disconnected from its death. Im ok with this because a steak is 1000 times tastier than broccoli