Marxism or Anarchism?

anarchy is da wae

Kill the uneducated

I feel the pain, brother.

Why not... Educate?

>Nice reddit filename.

lol who fuckin cares?

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Those who want to be educated obtain an education. Those who don’t should be killed or enslaved as they are useless as anything other than chattel

to be happy

You're an asspirate either way

:)

I'm a follower of Chomsky's philosophy. Libertarian Socialism is the way to go.

o fuck off u fascist piece of shit

selfish human garbage

You're goddamn right!

i love you user
keep on truckin

yo actual fascist here that sounds fucking retarded
how the FUCK are you supposed to tell the actually retarded from the ignorant if you don't teach anyone?

>actual fascist here that sounds fucking retarded
all fascist sound fucking retarded, you're not an exception.

smarter than you boi
every other bourgie white kid roleplays as an ancom, it doesn't make you an intellectual

Fuck of, fascist bitch.
(nice almost quips btw)

That is not facism it is ruling by those who are qualified to rule I.e. the educated in each field

>My white race must be protected REEEEE
Who's roleplaying?

Everyone should be given the chance to be educated and are in this country. Those who chose to not be educated are useless.

Both are jewish lies made to speed up the fall of western civilization

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ARISTOCRACY IS THE ONLY WAY NIGGA!!!!!

Don't you have a trashcan to be knocking over or a civnat to get punched in the face by? Maybe if you carry more water for globohomo it'll destroy capitalism.
I think people need to stop seeing Jews in every shadow tbh. Spengler said the West was due for collapse anyway.

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Death to all of it.

>bourgie white kid roleplays as an ancom

bourgie white kids attend universities you can't afford and so will their kids. it's them whom fascism favors, not you.

> it doesn't make you an intellectual

I actually published in some peer reviewed journals, it kind of qualifies me as an intellectual, but whatever.

I chose the impossible. I chose Rapture!

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>bourgie white kids attend universities you can't afford
Yeah, I go to a shit community college and ancoms go to Harvard and UC Berkeley, I'm aware.
>it's them whom fascism favors, not you.
Hard disagree. I think neoliberalism favors them far better which is why we live under it (after its big team-up with communism).
>I actually published in some peer reviewed journals, it kind of qualifies me as an intellectual
Markov chain generators get published in peer reviewed journals.

>team-up with communism
it doesn't make sense. neoliberalism team up with communism? and yes, neoliberalism does favor them and fascism would make it even worse.
>Markov chain generators
Still published more research than you

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>neoliberalism team up with communism?
Francis "we need communism back to help us fight fascism" Fukuyama and Franklin "lend-lease" Roosevelt would like a word with you.
>fascism would make it even worse.
Bull fucking shit it would, there's a reason everyone on the right and left scrambled to destroy it.
>Still published more research than you
Still doesn't mean much.

I think in both cases the answer is the barter system, however lawless anarchy would probably descend into a feudalist type scenario where goods are taken as spoils of war. That being said, anarchy is better than communism imo

>marxism
or
>a slightly different version of marxism

Every anarchist know ancoms are retarded.

Well I'll keep capitalism thank you. So far the greatest system ever. Nothing will be perfect but we are not perfect. The shit your are crapping out has never worked.

A cancer-free Yea Forums.

Im too lazy to make my own thread, so ill just post this here: vigilante justice should be allowed, although regulated through agencies that require applications or interviews to be approved on a case by case basis

anarchism isn't about lawless anarchy but abolishing government control. read more about it.

>capitalism
state capitalism, which needs a government to control the market isn't capitalism. there is no true capitalism in XXI century. It has been there in XIX and beginning of XX century and led all what is called third world now to it's poverty.
>greatest system ever
so was feudalism and slavery. they were progressive in comparison to what preceded them.
>Nothing will be perfect but we are not perfect.
It's not about being perfect or not, but at this time being gradually more disastrous.

Anarchism != lawlessness. Anarchism is destruction of unjustified hierarchy. I suggest reading Chomsky or Kropotkin. If you want to watch something instead, Libertarian Socialist Rants has some good stuff on anarchism as well. Or just read wikipedia. Don't just listen to the anarchy = the purge. It's bullshit.

>there's a reason everyone on the right and left scrambled to destroy it.
Of course there is. It's misery and terror it caused.
>Still doesn't mean much.
You don't mean much.

Nobody actually gives a shit about people visiting reddit anymore

>It's misery and terror it caused.
lmaooo I thought I wouldn't get a bigger cope than "shitholes are shit because of the developed world" but you fucking topped it.
Yeah, the states that brought the world, between them, the Holodomor and the Indian Genocide, gave a fuck about fascism's crimes and not its threat to the international order. Get the fuck out of my sight, you preening illiterate.

I get the pain

Also, daily reminder: The Nationalists in the Spanish Civil War had so many refugees to cope with it was incredible. Because the Republican side spent more time jerking off in meetings about which church to blow up next than actually providing for the citizenry.

You wanna talk about misery? Let's talk about fucking left-communism.

what in your cute little mind fascism is? i don't think you understand what you're arguing for.

Capitalism in decay and Jewish genocide, of course :^) Fascism is exactly what your undergrad history professor told you it was lmao

>undergrad history professor
and you've never met any so you don't know?

neither is ideal but anarchism would be preferable, marxism just flat out fucking sucks. fascism is superior to both of them

Neither, but if I had to pick Anarchism.

I never said anarchy was about lawlessness. I just in a lawless anarachy, it would become feudalism

Wow, weak comeback. I expected better, but I guess I shouldn't have.
Anyway, national syndicalism. State-recognized unions coordinating to run the economy and the government with a goal of self-sufficiency, full employment, modernization and overall national strength. Civic or ethnic nationalism as a binding myth, take your pick.

Dunno if I want pure anarchy, am anarchist tho so don't care for rules anyways but with cucks that do care for them around live is probably easier
>need far less stupid rules tho in all cases, cucks wanting to forbid others drugs and taking risks in general help nobody

Anarchism doesn't work. The world has begun as an anarchy, and resulted where we are now. An organized force will always beat a group of individualists, even if the numbers are 1:100.
I don't understand how anarchists don't see or understand it.
Marxism only works if everyone follows their ideas wholeheartedly. Just like any religion, basically.
Only capitalism works even if most of the people doesn't like it or want to follow it's laws, because it's laws are natural.

tl;dr: both are shit unless 100% of people believe in it.

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>found the redditfags

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>weak
You don't deserve a better comeback.
What is the point of state controlled unions?
>syndicalism
Worker's union purpose is to protect the workers from corporate and government violence. If it was government controlled by definition it wouldn't serve any function.
>myth
Why do you need a "binding myth" at all?

>Only capitalism works

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Anarchist socialism would be more of a culture than a government
Pretty much
>many people want to help people in need so they do
It's pretty much the same as private welfare supported by some conservatives tho

This

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Yes, because capitalism is pretty much lack of any system. It's the laws of nature, and that's why it works: because it just cannot -not work-. (sorry for bad ingrish, I'm russian)
Monarchy is just established capitalism, so I don't see any difference between them.
True socialism (ussr-style or nazy germany-style) only works untill a certain portion of it's people realise they can abuse the system and leech from it. For example, see USSR or Nazi Germany.

>You don't deserve a better comeback.
You mean you couldn't come up with one, because the criticism of leftcoms as upper-class faggots trying to be edgy rings all too true.
>What is the point of state controlled unions?
To run the state? Are you retarded?
>Worker's union purpose is to protect the workers from corporate and government violence.
Wrong, retard. The purpose of a worker's union is collective action for the benefit of the workers.
>Why do you need a "binding myth" at all?
Because people run on myths, idiot. Even you, you just have the conceit to call it materialist. National rebirth is a powerful one, which third-world communists actually understand (lending more credence to the idea that you're an aspirational elite and not a serious revolutionary of any sort).

>An organized force will always beat a group of individualists
user, I'm sorry if this will hurt your feelings but this is the basis of anarchism not a counterargument.

>Well I'll keep capitalism thank you.
capitalism is literally destroying the world as we speak retard. ANYTHING would be better than this right now.

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So your anarchism supports establishing strong
and big organizations? Nice, then you must enjoy the real world, because that's exactly what it is about.

National Socialism

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>How do you distribute the goods?
Trading on individual level
Yes productivity would go down, but I don't think of that as bad thing and overall quality of life would be nicer
>Also explain moneyless systems
Either you trade goods against goods directly or through a real value currency like gold or silver, for me the evil is not in money in general, it's fiat currency that gets created and thus effectively gets stolen from everyone using it
>a system on the basis of you gave me x before so now I help you out with y is thinkable too, would only work in small groups tho
>depending on the anarchist he could also just steal rape and pillage

The jews won't allow it, because they've monopolized it.

like was on Germany?

>You mean you couldn't come up with one
I could, but a low-class uneducated nigger wanting to suck even more dick from government and corporations wouldn't get it.
> run the state
It's the government that runs them in your vision, not the other way around.
>The purpose of a worker's union is collective action for the benefit of the workers.
Amazing, I'm beginning to think that you can read.
>people run on myths, idiot.
They do, but when it's the state which produces it it's just a means of propaganda and covering up bourgeoisie economic interest. Power relations should be free of mythology. and religion.

HAHAHA hipster faggots still follow that piece of shit

>low-class uneducated nigger
The fucking irony of a "communist" pulling the class card is astounding.
Yes, I am low class, and you're upper class, and one day you'll get a sinecure and a six-figure salary and I'll be in debt. But I'm the corporate stooge, yes.
>It's the government that runs them in your vision, not the other way around.
Incorrect, read Mosley
>They do, but when it's the state which produces it it's just a means of propaganda and covering up bourgeoisie economic interest.
So why aren't you a fascist?

>Libertarian
>Socialism

Pick one

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Death.

Anarchocapitalism

anarchism. Torn between kropotkinism and post-left. Bookchin was a faggot but was right about cooperating with the libertarian right tho. if nothign else they (usually) aren't bootlickers.

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If those are the only two, Marxism.

>communist
anarchist
>you're upper class
I'm middle class, even more like lower middle class, I was just trolling you.
>Mosley
Read Rudolf Rocker
>a fascist
You just said that fascism needs ideological mythos and I answered what's wrong with it. I propose that hierarchical power shouldn't have a say in people's sense of identity - the myth.

So... Pretty much like the police?

Milei

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>Soviet flag
>Marxism
Let me guess... You also think a properly funded welfare system is socialism too.

You just keep believing that, okay?

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Mutalism

>real world, because that's exactly what it is about.
It is, that's why those who organized themselves and keep all the wealth fuck you in the ass. But how about the fucked organizing themselves, have you thought about that?

>I'm middle class, even more like lower middle class, I was just trolling you.
Bullshit, but whatever.
>Rudolf Rocker
I'll add it to the pile.
>I propose that hierarchical power shouldn't have a say in people's sense of identity - the myth.
When you try to get away from formal hierarchy you just create an informal hierarchy. That, or another formal hierarchy moves in to supplant the old one. There's a reason the liberal revolutions resulted in rule by corporation (in the capitalist, not the fascist sense) and not greater freedom in any real sense, the same as the communist revolutions resulted in rule by party and not genuine rule by soviet.

Instead of wringing your hands over the idea that someone might have power, it's better to accept that fact and make the power structure less retarded.

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You
>the world has begun as an anarchy

Also you
>capitalism is the lack of any system, the laws of nature

You are completely fucking retarded user. You dont know what either are and i bet you spend all day online discussing this regardless. You are cancer.

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This

I'm for it, pic rel
>When you try to get away from formal hierarchy you just create an informal hierarchy.
Ok, but some hierarchies are justified and some aren't. For example academic hierarchy with all it's flaws is more or less justified, because you have to earn a PhD with your knowledge. You can't have it just by having a pretty face. Today governments are only based on populism and myths, and to this, as a fascist you'd probably agree. Anarchism is for hierarchies as along as they are justified, fascism proposes government that doesn't have any justification at all.

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There are models which allow for market forces but still allow for abolishment of private property (capital). You still have personal property and public property. Some ideas involve use of a labor bank, others just stick with a hard currency and barter system. The long and the short of it is to get rid of owners in production and governance. Basically if you work it you "own" it. So if my shoe factory collectives the workers decide how the proceeds should be split up but the market ultimately still decides the value of the shoes. The market is a very effective and efficient decider of a item or services value but by flattening management and getting rid of capitalism the workers (and environment) prosper.
I suggest reading Proudhoun's The Philisophy of Poverty, Noam Chomsky's On Anarchism, and Capital by Karl Marx then contrast it with David Friedman's The Machinery of Freedom.
This will give you a basic primer on the different ideas compelling Centerist (Mutualist/Syndicalist), Left (anarcho-communism) and Right (an-cap) leaning Anarchist philisophy.

Yep. Freely associating governance in the market, workplace and community is the way to go.

>the purge but 24/7

I want this. What do we call this?

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libertarian capitalism
everything else is for fags

What does CCCP stand for? Is it some kind of ultra-hardcore communist CP?

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Capitalism must pay workers less than they are worth to function. Otherwise there is no money being made by the capitalist owner class. A market can function irrespective of distribution of resources between workers and management/ownership. If every company worked to break even and function as a non-profit markets would still work but be less speculative. The workers could decide how much should be pay, investment into the buisness, and possibly charity.

>Today governments are only based on populism and myths, and to this, as a fascist you'd probably agree
Governments today exist based on a monopoly on force, like all governments have and probably ever will. But the myths they use to justify themselves are shit, and they perpetuate a shit power structure (parliamentary democracy and finance capitalism).
>fascism proposes government that doesn't have any justification at all.
The problem is that you run up against the same problem people run up against when they try to prove something is true. You can "rationally" justify or prove whatever you want, but it'll all fall apart when some 15 year old who just discovered critical thought picks at your axioms too much. Revolutions need to be justified, but states justify themselves, so set up your state's myths to create something good.

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Yet the price will be set according to the sum of the value of the materials, the minimum value of the work hours, and the minimum margin of profit.
If consumers value the product under that price, the production stops and the product doesn't exist.

I mean, no? Mutualism is a socialist anarchist belief and it has markets and no forms of "welfare". Mutualists work within a market economy without the capitalist. Basically like a cooperative.

There are two different definitions for capitalism nowadays, and that's either private ownership of the means of production or it simply means free trade. Mutualism would fall under the second, but not the first. To be a socialist you simply have to be against private property. Not that "everything's ours" or "we all own everything" because nobody believes that.

Autism

>15 year old who just discovered critical thought picks at your axioms too much
and they should user, it's the government and the job market that makes them stop.
>states justify themselves
they don't, they're only justified by the means spent on presidential/parliament campaign.
>myths to create something good
But fascism and stalinism haven't produced anything good at all. The most genocidal systems were based on myths meant to "create something good". All of them actually. Nazi Germany, USSR, Khmer Rouge and others. This is why hierarchies should be free of myths. Power should be transparent.