Seriously liberals,what's wrong with having guns to defendind ourselves? What...

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i don't go on /pol/. i'd be ashamed if i was a conservative as well. there are people on both sides who are absolutely ridiculous. i just happen to be more left leaning, so whatever.
alright fair enough

>being ashamed because of the vocal minority of crazies in either party
dude, just become a centrist...

I feel like this is most peoples standpoint on gun laws. No one wants mentally unstable people owning guns and no one wants to take away guns from responsible owners. As a Canadian I don't understand how Americans make such a big deal over this

that's the pussy way out. i believe in what i believe in, i'm just sick of morons being the ones who make the news because they tweet the most or yell the loudest.

Proud god tier economic socialist libertat here. Keep your guns and turn them against the corporations that control us. Men, women, and children over 14 years of age should be instructed in the proper care and cleaning of a firearm for home defense and defense of these united states in the event of a rogue world power invading. All weapons should be kept under lock and key in community armories monitored by a community elected official that manages the distribution of ammunition and weapons while approving and refusing requisitions for armaments based on a case by case basis. The community armory should also have a secured range within the same facility. That is a well regulated militia. Also all arms production should be siezed by the state those arms are produced in on principle of having a well supplied militia as well.

>i don't know. i don't know what the answer is.
liberals on guns in a nutshell
>"um, idk... its scary...................... um..... ok why dont we just say fuck the second amendment"

>hurr durr liberals

>meanwhile,after 8 years it took a republican president to pass gun control

cry more kid

because... that line of distinction isn't so clear. a stable person can snap one day and wreak havoc with the arsenal he amassed over previous years. or a crazy kid could have a shitty parent who doesn't keep their weapons locked up. or a felon who slips through the cracks and is allowed to purchase a firearm for some reason or another without any red flags popping up. granted, the system could never be PERFECT, but most of our shootings seem to be stemming from plain negligence somewhere, either from the seller's standpoint, the owner's, the federal government's, etc... allowing someone who shouldn't have a gun access in some way.

yeah because that's at all what I said. i'm not scared of guns. I've gone to gun ranges. I like shooting them. I think it's fun.

That is the inherent price of any freedom. I'm not even talking about the right to own guns, I'm simply talking about free will.

As long as humans are able to move and act by their own power, some humans will seek ways to maim and kill others.

this makes me diamonds

lol,the bump stock ban is proof that republicans only care about the 2nd ammendment when a democrat they dont like is president.where's the outrage from donny's bump stock ban huh

yeah I suppose that's what it comes down to. guns aren't necessarily the problem. it's that people will find ways to kill other people regardless.

legalize RPGs, land mines, and howitzers. It's the only way.

>pussy way out
unless you're actually centrist. otherwise, grow up and stop being ashamed of a tiny minority of loud mouthed idiots. any one with a modicum of intellect will know the entire party isn't made up of crazy zealots, even though they get the most air time. and if they don't have a modicum of intellect, they're not worth any worry.

>guns aren't the problems
>only country where massive amounts of people die by personal gun ownership
sure...

so, let's make it easier for those that want to do those things to do them whenever they want.

why stop there. nuclear arms for all!

that'd be great if the country wasn't so divided about this left vs. right, liberal vs. conservative bullshit. the left and right have their own echo chambers that convince people the other side isn't worth listening to at all.
so chicago wouldn't be a shithole warzone if guns weren't available.. they'd just kill each other with knives. yeah ease of access to guns is an issue but it's more complicated than that i think.

depleted uranium munitions only, nuclear is too much user.

well if knives were so dangerous then why aren't droves of people dying all over the world?

law-abiding gun owner through December 13 2012

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>that'd be great if the country wasn't so divided
I think there will be a tipping point soon... last election was a joke. I think there may be more independent leaning voters come next election. probably not enough to do anything big this time around, but enough to show people are moving away from the extremes.... or we could just become a nation divided in civil war. who knows? not me.

YOU'RE TRYING TO INFRINGE ON MY SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS

You'd be hard pressed for finding a Republican that supports zip guns too

I typed it and it nearly made me burst my nurst just picturing it.

Legal gun collector through September 30, 2017

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you do know the 3d printer exists, and people are already making their own parts from scratch with them, right?

Good guy with a gun and well behaved theater patron, through July 19, 2012

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So, if we give up our guns, who will be armed? The .gov and bad guys. Sounds great

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okay you can have nukes but you have to make them yourself.

This is a really good tactic btw. We used to use this same strat when talking about drugs and marijuana related arrests. It was pretty manipulative then, but in this context it works pretty effectively.

See

I liked the first part about turning the guns against the corporations. but then you lost me at all the militia shit. so are we just supposed to upend our lives and go live on a commune?

most of human history was very commune like.
now we are run by for profit corporations that work for the benefit of shareholders.

why are you retards against background checks?

but how do you plan to coordinate anything on a national scale without internet? because surely you don't think the internet would be available to the people trying to fight the corporations, which control most forms of communication in some way.

just take down the corporations one by one.

Nah. Community has no true definition. It's left as broad as the second amendment for the same purpose. Interpretation to reach a compromise on meaning. Community to me means the township i live in. So if you lived in boston for example you don't just live in boston. You live in malden or somerville or any township contained within greater boston. If you live in a rural area, say southwest missouri in places like joplin or carthage or neosho, then your community armory could be right next to the town post office. Hell, if we really wanted we could make the postal service a state institution with an overseeing federal body that also is connected to community armories. Anywhere theres a post office, there's a range. Better?

>but how do you plan to coordinate anything on a national scale without internet?
>nothing could be accomplished in the world before people started sharing pictures of their food

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>Better?
I understand what you mean better, but I don't think the idea is any more feasible. even in townships there would be splintered communities, because people can rarely agree on anything, and then there would be power struggles, which could eventually devolve into basic gang-war shit. I'm not saying it's a bad idea, but is a bit idealistic, and not so much realistic.

>hurr durr oh fucking god i loving being told what i can and can't own by big daddy gubmint yes daddy fuck my ass some more
Literal slave mentality.

I'm the libertat. If we took down corporate powers one by one then we wouldn't have much to do after the first two or three before the rest literally organized the world against us. The only way to get rid of corporations is to sieze the means of production legislatively and more prominently, peacefully. This ensures that anyone acting against those taking down the corporations is acting as a hostile enforcer of corporate ideals over community and individual.

the American civil war raged on in many places for weeks after it had ended. the internet has forever changed the world, and it would be hard for many people to go back. you can communicate, sure, but on such a scale that is required to coordinate an entire nation to do with user is proposing would make the internet a necessity. it's just not possible if we're limiting ourselves to carrier pigeon or pony express.

>the American civil war raged on in many places for weeks after it had ended
the irony

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I won't argue that it isn't idealistic, because by my nature as a socialist libertat i am by definition an ideologue. I will argue that it isn't realistic. All my proposal is is an americanized version of the system that Switzerland uses. And the whole issue of power struggles is bot something i would be particularly worried about due to a local election being the determinant factor for who controls the armory. That means you can prevent hostile powers from taking over because the majority will have asserted themselves through the vote.

because they are retarded

>it's just not possible
get over yourself youngfag
protip: the world functioned quite well without you before you were born

I also want to state how fucked up it is that the only place to have a civil discourse on gun control is an anonymous imageboard where the word faggot is used as a noun, verb, adjective, preposition, and sentence. Nice, but seriously out of place.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Kunming_attack

Its not like they aren't

Entire wars are waged in Africa with nothing but cheap Chinese machetes.

Good attempt at trolling all those newfags. Next time you'll do better though.

Nice numbers on the thread though, I suppose Yea Forums ist full of newfags These days

This. Libertat again. Taking down corporations doesn't always have to be a leninist shitshow that ends in famines and a civilian death toll that makes the holocaust look like summercamp. When your government is openly hostile to you then the only way to get what you want is to spite them with peace because they want war. Legislation is the only way that corporations will ever fall to the people that they prey upon and stay dead. When a government is truly made of the people it represents, then it is as effective as any warhead.

Trips of truth

Have fun in the hills then cletus. I'm gonna go to cinnabon and enjoy living in a society.

I've been on 2ch since 2007 and Yea Forums since the first week. You call it trolling, but oldfags call it an excuse to troll others.

This smells like russian bot...

It always is.

it's the season for bots

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Watch Jim Jeffries bit on gun control
>inb4 “stupid foreign cuck duznt no shit abowt muh gunz n rites”

Let me give you a small analogy. There's a hive of bees. And there are some beekeepers making sure the bees stay in one place and don't do anything they areen't supposed to do. But if someone (or something) gets in at the hive, then the bees will respond and sting.

Not think about a bee hive without the beekeepers. They can roam about as much as they want, and they can be found anywhere. Each time a bee feels threatened, it stings. So if you have bees spread out over a much greater area, there's a much higher chance that each bee will at some point feel threatened. And when it does, it will sting.

What this amounts to, is more stings.

While you personally may feel like it is your inviolable right to have an almost-foolproof way of defending you and yours, it ultimately ends up in a more dangerous society.

why would anyone need to listen to him slobber on

let the bees sting user

>russia
>the season for bots
>after an off-year election
>in February
makes sense...

that's not really how bees work... they do the same things regardless of if they're kept by a beekeeper, or wild. I know this may be beside the point, but don't you spout this bullshit about bees.

bump stock ruins accuracy making it shit for hunting shit for self defense and shit for fighting against invaders foreign or domestic. It's legal use is ONLY to dick around at the gun range otherwise all it's useful for is mass shootings. It does not hold up under even the most conservative logic for 2nd amendment allowed attachments.

for whatever reason, some people seem to believe right to bear arms also means rights to anything that happens to attach to one.

well it is election season. people are gearing up for the presidential campaign. you should know this.

in some states pocket pussy is still illegal but you can buy a semi auto rifle with no background check at a fun show.
makes sense

Apologies for offending the bee master race. By the way, I'm pretty fascinated by bees and ants and other hymenoptera in general. Interesting question that's played on my mind for a long time: how likely is it that an intelligent alien race is eusocial and biologically hierarchical like the supersocieties we have on earth?

I usually don't consider 2 years before an election to be "election season"... but Trumps been campaigning since the day he took office, so sure. I guess it's sort of like christmas... each one is going to start coming sooner and sooner and sooner.

then why are dems flying all over the place campaigning? could ti be...gosh...for an election?

...what.

though I don't understand your question, the likelihood of an alien race having anything in common with us, socially, hierarchically, economically, or politically would be slim to none. they might not even be carbon life forms. they may have no need for social interaction, or they may even exist on a different plane of existence, entirely.

I suppose I shouldn't have thrown the trump statement in there, hmm? election season USED TO start around the end of year previous to elections, around november/october. it's been creeping its way further and further back, but Trump took the cake on that one by never stopping. I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying I disagree.

Brb, googling how.
Brb, party van's here.

Guns prevent rape.

Rape is feminist-conversion bread and butter. They basically promote rape because it makes an easy intro to identity politics.

If campuses were to disseminate ACCURATE information regarding the RACIAL demographics of rapists and actual self-defense information... Perhaps we could watch a new trend emerge. But liberals love rape - they will never want to see this happen.

Well, narrowing things down, it's a pretty safe assumption that they will be carbon based. And an even safer assumption that they will be on the same "plane of existence" as us. But what is the likelihood that they will be striated into castes biologically? Like workers having robotic/animal intelligence, all the way to the leaders having super-IQ's? I know this is the case for humans, but I mean a more stratified society where these differences are more concrete and exaggerated, perhaps with genuine physiological differences between castes? I guess what I'm asking is for you to compare the efficiency of a more human (homogeneous) society to that of a eusocial (stratified) society. In the context of survivability of course.

that's fair. I agree with your time frame for most elections but for presidential elections the season seems to start very early.

>Seriously liberals,what's wrong with having guns to defendind ourselves?

Guns make the tyranny they want to impose impossible.

You make a good point there.

yes so many governments that have fully funded and professional militaries have been overthrown by amateurs with semi auto rifles.

I'm a little less concerned about drive-by knifings, to be fair. And a little less concerned about a stray knife killing a kid in his home. You're not wrong that people would still shank each other if they didn't have guns, but somehow, I get the feeling it'd be a bit less of a problem.

Many actually have.

Great contribution cletus

what gun show loophole? any vendor still has to do the background check.

i'd like to see some sources

Vietnam

China

United States

i like gun violence. i think it makes us a better, tougher nation

and let's be honest, it gets rid of a nice little portion of the bottom of society.

The communists had an army in Vietnam.

The communists had an army,

Liberal here. Guns are why we have a country in the first place. Guns are good.

Where will bad guys get guns; it's not like the Black Market is open to the general public dipshit.

so a group of amateurs with semi auto rifles took over the United States? a modern, military industrial complex?

They became an army, beginning as a ragtag group hiding in the mountains.

well they became an army and won...

A group of complete amateurs defeated the world's superpower at the time, yes.

They became more organized as they fought. They did not enter the war as an organized and disciplined force.

do you even history?

He doesnt know dick all about about what he's talking about.

>get rid of gun show loophole
==
>get rid of private transfers

how many 100,000(s) of people(civilians and officers) would die taking away Americas guns?

the communists didn't take over a government, they repelled an invading force. you think they could hop on over to DC and take the white house? in history many peoples could repel invaders. where in the modern era has a group of amateurs actually taken over a country?

its the bad guys using the black market dipshit.

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Japan was suffering catastrophic defeat on the home islands. China is a huge territory. Not a very good example. also Mao was repelling invaders, not taking over a stable government.

repelling an invading army is not the same as throwing down a stable government. the south vietnamese didn't have a strong, stable military. history shows repelling invaders is far easier than taking over a modern, stable government with a professional army.

Thanks. Just take a quick Google search of advice for rape victims. It's all victim-mentality feminist identity politics brainwashing. It's really scary that this is what isolated victims of actual abuse are being spoonfed. Pic related.

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Because they probably couldn't pass them.

>the communists didn't take over a government

No, they defeated one and took complete control despite having no statistical chance when the insurgency began.

>yes so many governments that have fully funded and professional militaries have been overthrown by amateurs with semi auto rifles.
>examples provided
>where in the MODERN ERA has a group of amateurs actually taken over a country?

This is called moving the goalposts. Still, look to Vietnam for the example you're now seeking.

>superpower at the time

We're talking about modern times, not a time when having a gun was actually a big deal

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I'm on to you

Don't give up your guns, just stop being a free advertisement for them. Start advertising dildos and ice cream or something

Because he makes a better point about it than every other faggot I’ve seen in this thread. If you don’t want to check it out then don’t. I’m not forcing ya, fool.

We actually weren't, hence the moving the goalposts point. Still, modern armies still struggle to defeat small and independently operating insurgencies like the ones in the middle east and Asia. Even with trillions spent and all the manpower they can muster. Armed men who are motivated are incredibly difficult to deal with which is precisely why tyrants always disarm their populations.

You've got the right idea but haven't taken it far enough. There's a warning that has already led itself to be true if not followed, "Who eats of the state is ruined by it." What you have outlined just replaces the old guard with the new and the cycle begins all over again. The state must be abolished altogether if humanity ever wants to free itself. Anarcho-Syndicalism is the best way to group the individual to the community to the world as a whole.

Because people are getting mowed down at literally anywhere

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sutherland_Springs_church_shooting

The government, the military no less, can't even be bothered to enforce existing gun laws. How do you expect the retarded bureaucrats to create and enforce a national backround check system? Unfortunately the government is incapable.

2nd amendment was a mistake, same for women's rights

>bad people will still get guns but mass shootings will stop if you do this retarded gay shit

how about no, unironically let's go back to ordering M2HBs and thompsons in the fucking mail

Funny how the comic implies walls are effective at keeping people safe.

Nothing to be ashamed of sure thing pedo faggot

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Yeah let’s make it harder for people to protect themselves it’s not like millions of men women children use them for self defense a year oh wait they do retard

Oh look a massive faggot who doesn’t know about South America Africa or the Middle East yeah kid it’s the guns fault never the shit skins. If nigs and spics weren’t here our gun deaths would be as low as Germany before the shit skin invaders.

Oh yeah prescription meds had nothing to do with any of these

>picture of donald trump saying more guns will keep us safe

lol'd,he's as anti gun as the left is.that was made very clear with his bump stock ban

There is no such thing as a "him show loophole".
There are already mental health safeguards.
These buzzwords and catchphrases mean nothing.
The cities and counties with the strictest gun control laws have the highest crime rates.

Listen to a retarded drunken faggot talk out his ass about thing he literally has zero understanding of and make that your political stance.

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Wow that’s such retarded shit let’s treat everyone like children because I’m a pathetic soi cuck

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He didn’t have a good point he had a giant load of retarded drunken lies and shit passed of as fact and you stuff it up your ass with a smile

>most of human history was very commune like.

In the most technical sense, yeah. But there were always bullies, thugs, thieves, rapists.
"Might makes right" is a lot harder to enforce when someone weaker than you has a force magnifier.

That one was on mommy, and she got what was coming to her. Why the fuck would you train a retard in the use of an assault rifle?

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>"him show loophole"
We're not talking about your Glory Holes, faggot, we're talking about guns.

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Androidism.

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Trying to stop private transfers is about as easy as trying to stop people from interacting with eachother. Hard to tell someone who plans on killing a bunch of people that buying a gun off someone is illegal.

Didn't some media dude say the exact same thing? He went to buy an AR-15 and documented it trying to show how easy it is to get one and got denied cause he had a history of domestic abuse charges after lying on the forms saying he had no criminal history. They also pulled up that he had problems with alcohol in the past, so at the very least you can rest assured drunk wife abusers can't get one. Seems like those background checks are pretty good

Because the republicans are the ones who are pushing for medicare for all, right?.... Right?

Mass shootings are the result of a society that loads kids up on drugs if they feel lonely and sad. The side effects of anti depressants are thoughts of murder and suicide. Big pharma is far more detrimental to society than some psychopaths who got a hold of daddy's gun.

No one saying to ban or take your guns you fucking loser. Just do a better job on the background check. Fuck let them have automatics if they paid the permit and clean as fuck on the background.

Here's the background check form

What more do you want?

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Wtf is a gun show loophole? Anyone selling any fire arm goes through a nics check minimum. Stop using buzzwords

But in most free states there is a private sale exemption for lawful transactions.

That's the scary "gunshow loophole"

Why hasn't more guns kept you safe?

except he literally did not say that...you fucking mong. take one of your guns and blow your fucking brains all over the wall.

Haven't they?

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Yeah, because your picture has cited sources for the values it's claiming to represent.

You have yet to show proof.

Ah the classic "gunshow loophole" argument. The thing is, this so-called loophole doesnt really exist, or if it does its extremely rare. And if you were to argue that enforcing better background checks at gunshows would decrease stuff like school shootings youd be completely incorrect. The parkland shooter legally bought his gun from a Walmart if I remember correctly. If you ask me, we probably need to improve our background checks because the parkland shooter had hundreds of pages of mental health records and was clearly mentally ill so he should NOT have been allowed to purchase a gun.

No one? Really? So all of the politicians stating they want to confiscate firearms are lying? The ones pushing legislation to ban things already owned, mandating turning them in to the government don't want that to happen? These politicians' supporters don't also want that?

Please: Tell me more about your delusions.

Yeah, this. We just need to enforce our existing laws more effectively. Not that I think we will, but it is a better idea then just introducing new bans.

Im not sure that graph is showing what you think it does

>We just need to enforce our existing laws more effectively.
How? Specifically?

Leftist here. I think guns make things safer, you never know who's packing, so you're less likely to start shit. Also self-defense is a natural right. I do think we need universal background checks though. It's embarrassing that "first world nation" is so archaic. We also need better mental health care (and health care in general, but that's another argument). Firearms training should be mandatory for all high school kids. Teaches them to respect guns.

>I do think we need universal background checks though.
And how would you go about enforcing that?

Literally the only people it would affect would be Jim Bob down the street selling pappy's hunting shotgun to his neighbor, who aren't the people shooting up neighborhoods.
The majority of the shooters lately have all passed background checks.

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those people should be lined up against the wall and shot on live television. that would decrease the amount of cletuses and tyrones selling weapons under the table.

more importantly, this country needs therapy. we need mental health care. too many angry, sad white apes are shooting places up because they are miserable from capitalism but don't know why. so they turn into incels that get indoctrinated by far-right propaganda and go shooting people.

This is a strawman.
No one is suggesting guns be outlawed in the US. doing so would be impossible.
Wanting common sense laws like background checks and safety classes does not infringe on one's right to own guns legally.

>Wanting common sense laws like background checks and safety classes does not infringe on one's right to own guns legally.

Needing to prove my self "worthy" of a right to some fat bureaucrat whom I've never even met does in fact infringe on my rights.
That being said, we already have background checks and safety classes, so fuck off with that shit.

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He didn't say that.
Stop with the stawmen

Fuck, it, why can't we buy our own nukes at Walmart?

we all ready have background checks.

Nice red herring, but you can at least buy .50 BMG

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My background is squeaky clean baby, no amount of checks could hold me back

What am I gonna do, run around with a hammer hitting the bullets to make em go off?

That's what guns are for silly

I like you.

eh yeah if you have a few grand to buy the gun

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What about that journalist who failed a basic background check in his attempt to "show how easy it is to buy an AR-15"? What's he supposed to use?

Liberals don’t want to get rid of guns you fucking sperg we are just trying to implement a more thorough background check process so that less mentally ill people are able to legally purchase them

Checked

well atleast he can shoot his mouth off.

They make single shot bolt action .50s for like $2k

3D printer should do it. Depends on how motivated he is.

Again, what else should be added?

Kill them and get their guns, we will make an ugly sculpture with them.

Why the heck didn't I think of that? We don't need to worry about gun control laws when we can just make our own

Finally, some common sense!

that's still 2 grand the average guy doesn't have plus at 3 bucks a round it's not something the average school shooter can afford.

See now you're getting it.

People have been making their own untraceable guns for years now, legally, and they haven't been a problem.
You're also forgetting the old school method of making a scary "ghost gun"

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People by 2 grand ARs all the time with cheaper ammo but I digress

Don't you try to trick me, there are no ghosts in brazil

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well they also make pipe shotguns and ieds but laws can't or don't do shit about those.

Can't forget about the scary butter knives either

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youtube.com/watch?v=sIhGCRIQnCA

This graph is self evident if you understand reality guess you don’t understand reality then

It shows more than you will ever be able to understand kid

>en.m.wikipedia.org

"Liberals" don't exist anymore, they are all progressives and socialists.

No they feel like shit and are going crazy specifically because of socialism and communist ideology being forced on them. Capitalism and culturally traditional values are the only thing they lack which would make their lives better possibly.

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I wonder who made this cartoon

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This is what the cucks refuse to acknowledge soi will do that though

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>Democrat here
I believe I should have full automatic weapons even though I'm a convicted felon because I used a knife to defend myself when I was nearly shot in the head.
>but muh kids
teach them to use guns again and quit being pussies
>but mass shootings
Lower now than ever before
>cops have guns so you don't need to
So did the native americans and look what happened to them
>don't need right to bear arms that's what the army is for
How can I defend myself against a professional invading army who has grenade launchers with just a bolt action rifle?
>ban high capacity mags
Only a faggot would think that I need a high capacity mag to do damage. Like they forget what a mosin nagant can do in the hands of a fucking farmer
>gun control
more like parental control

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tim and terry didn't need guns to take care of business.

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When you can beat and rape a bitch thinking like this because her retarded ass needs to be put back in her place and it not be a huge deal where this man isn’t imprisoned then society will have reached a balance.

Neither did many shit skins in Europe hell they got ahold of military grade ak47s as well really when the civilian population gets fucked with to much there a millions of Tim’s and terry’s out there. Which is really scary and also reassuring at the same time funny how that works when your not a cum suffocating shit dick gobbling mega soi cuck.

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This bait is broken

u mad?

well the ak the shitskins have were given to them by soviets who hate the west, but the point i was making was that if some one want's to kill a shit ton of people they'll find a way to do it with or with out guns.

Well king cuck millions of men women and yes children protect themselves a year with guns but since you’re butt ball team doesn’t like that particular play it’s irrelevant then it is.

Yeah like the shit skins in Europe with cars and trucks.

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exactly, good thing they aren't good with chemistry like tim and terry.

That takes something most shit skins don’t have

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eh yeah we should all be thank full for that.

you fucks just like to listen to your own voices...... here's some facts...
2nd amendment clearly states the right to own firearms
To get rid of the 2nd amendment would require a new amendment
To make an amendment to the constitution, there must be 2/3 vote in the House AND Senate. (good luck with that)
Then, 3/4 of the states must ratify. That means you would need 38 of the 50 states to vote to ban guns.
This will not happen in the next 30 years at least.
you tard fucks keep talking about it all you want, but it's nothing more than a political tool to get tards like Yea Forums riled up

>"The evils of free will"
>"The possible of someone, somewhere, doing something mean, means we should be able to say fuck you to you, and your rights."
Cope more, statefag.

Trump actually pretty much said the same exact thing you just said for gun control after these shootings believe it or not. Democrats have been pushing against it because "it isn't enough"...