Kenny Omega is obviously an amazing wrestler, but Meltzer very clearly helped sell him to a wider audience. After Dave rated his first match with Okada 6 stars literally everybody on the internet knew who he was. 2 years later he’s the Vice President of a 100 million dollar company.
It feels like Meltz has been trying to do the same with Ospreay, but Moxley being on the scene also has totally outshined him.
Ospreay really doesn’t have as much momentum as you think he would given his year.
Ospreay got a 5 star match this week and a 5.75
shitposting about Mox is just more fun since
I unironically prefer Moxley brawling like a drunk retard to Ospreay flipping like a maniac, fuck he even dropped most of his flips recently compared to previous years and now he is just fucking boring.
It is weird how nobody seems to care about Ospreay. He is definitely a source for Meltz seeing as how much Meltz puts him over. Even still, nobody seems to give a shit. Ospreay checks all the boxes but nobody cares.
Nobody really cares about meme stars anymore. Its just for comedy these days.
That geriatric moron gave Gorgonzola/Cole 5.5 and nobody gave a shit. If anything the IWC has started to sour on JAWNNY a bit because of how utterly one dimensional and small he is.
Even reddit makes fun of his size.
He regularly gets big reactions from the crowd, even in small towns where gaijin don't get more than polite claps if they're lucky. He's over with the crowd that matters right now, if Kenny is an indication the rest will follow after he's booked well.
No, Ospreay's still turning in a banger of a tournament. He got a lot of buzz for the Ibushi and Okada matches. Moxley is getting more attention because I don't think anybody expected him to do this well and be booked this strongly. Also, Seth keeps saying stupid shit about him, so Moxley just going out there and preforming at a higher level than Seth ever has is funny as shit.
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yeah no one talks about him on Yea Forums, that must be indicative of the industry as a whole!
Problem is that he's... Not unique anymore. The bastardised British Lucha shit is dime a dozen. Even moreso with NXT UK being a fucking thing.
He needs to bulk up
Nobody talks about him anywhere
Moxley is a shitter to everybody that is not new to wrestling,Ospreay is a future top guy
Retard wrestling is not real,Ospreay is 20 times more over than Moxley will ever be while losing most of the matches during this tournament
He got bigger pops than most guys in the tournament when was wrestling fucking Archer
Moxley is a way bigger star than Ospreay.
This is True the japs are in love with him atm
and in japan the japanese fans are in love with Ospreay and want him to win everymatch. Mox didn't even sell out korakuen hall while Ospreay did the 2 other nights
He will never be a bigger star than Ospreay is now,not even if he wrestled another five years at a high level in New Japan.
Just listen to the crowd reaction Ospreay got against Okada of all people.
This. I like Moxley in NJPW more than Ospreay, but you'd have to be dense not to notice that Ospreay is far more over.
>Kenny Omega is obviously an amazing wrestler
leave
>2 years later he’s the Vice President of a 100 million dollar company.
Citation needed, at what point did AEW becomes worth 100 mil?
Wishful thinking
Moxley is obviously a bigger star than Ospreay. Are you fucking retarded or am I being worked?
The original investment by the Khans was $100,000,000
Moxley is a bigger star than Ospreay in America and most of the world,Moxley in Japan is still a jobber in terms of overness to Ospreay.
NJPW fans in Japan only watch NJPW. they are the E-drones of Japan. You clearly don't watch the fucking shows since he's more over in NJPW then maybe anyone. MOX is a bigger bigger star overall but in the bubble that is New Japan he doesn't mean shit. Him vs Juice didn't move tickets sales one little bit. Ospreay winning his block did
Sup Jaaahn.
You're just misunderstanding. Overall Moxley is the bigger star, globally. But Ospreay is more over in NJPW.
Ospreay never had any momentum. He's a shitter.
t.Dean
You clearly don't watch the fucking shows. he's the 1 of the hottest thing they have. he's getting bigger reactions then Naito in some towns
Investment is not the same as worth, the reason they call WWE a "billion dollar company" is because of assets which AEW has none. I can put 100mil into a lemonade stand that doesn't make it a 100 million dollar business until I make a profit.
>he's getting bigger reactions then Naito in some towns
Now you are going too far,he's really up though,i would say he's nearly as over there as Omega was during his IWGP HW title run
Moxley is a lot of presence, always has had, and he has this simple relatable character who is just a dude who wants to win his fights. Ospreay is really athletic but that's about it. Pro wrestling is a narrative medium so the person who will leave the strongest impression is the person who performs a narrative the best.
Very simple. Meltzer ratings are bizarre, I wouldn't pay attention to them.
>You clearly don't watch the fucking shows
Found the Asspray mark, he's ricochet lite actually I can't even call him that because that makes ricochet look worse. He's like fourth string poundland ricochet.
>he's ricochet lite
only e-drones say this,ricochet has stayed at the same level for the last 4 years while Ospreay is getting better.
>only e-drones say this
Yeah only e-drones say that someone who does the same thing as ricochet but not as smoothly or safe is ricochet lite. next you'll say I'm seething or some other copy/paste Yea Forums meme
>Ospreay is really athletic but that's about it
Ospreay style of wrestling is nearly identical to Omega and he was a top guy,Moxley style of wreslting is a "big" slow brawling guy that is afraid to strike his opponents,that's a recipe for a midcarder or worse,ask Davey Boy Smith Jr.
>the reason they call WWE a "billion dollar company" is because of assets...I can put 100mil into a lemonade stand that doesn't make it a 100 million business until I make a profit
You're in over your head on this one. WWE isn't profiting with billions.
AEW's bottom line right now is $100m capital - whatever additional credits an debts they've acquired.
t. Brainlet
So you're saying the WWE has not made billions of dollars since it was founded? In all of their years in business they have not made a billion dollars? Even though in the first quarter of last fiscal year they made almost 300 million dollars( gross not profit) on a 36 million dollar production budget for the entire year?
>You're in over your head on this one.
And you're honestly a moron
Based retard, thats why he said billioN
>So you're saying the WWE has not made billions of dollars since it was founded?
That's a different question. We're talking about their present bottom line.
>AEW's bottom line right now is $100m capital
That doesn't make them a 100 million dollar company though, they couldn't turn around and sell their company for 100 million dollars because it has no value because they have no assets. It's why I used the lemonade stand as an example. Just because someone gave me 100 million dollars for my lemonade stand doesn't mean its not just 2x4's and ply-board and I can sell it for 100 million dollars; why? because investment does not equal value
And AEW's current bottom line is not 100 million dollars, that money goes into production, wages, merch, travel etc it does not equate to the value of the company
Mox has been incredibly based in NJPW. I don't think he has had a really big clasic match yet but he is trying new things every match and still working on defining who he is now that he is out of WWE
>gets BTFO and starts samefagging
And to add to that
Ospreay is 27,nearly broke his neck one time but he's still explosive and people can believe him going against the top guys
Moxley is 33,can't make a chop that looks like it hurts and he moves like he's 40+ while he only did garbage/non-wrestling during all his life
I can't wait G1 to finish so he will have to defend his US belt against people that will never be able to carry him over 4 stars
Adults are having a conversation your legos are down the hall
Man, you are really fucking stupid, even for a wrestling fan.
Most people here cant handle the truth
You're obviously really stupid since you sperged past the context of my post and shtmat yourself all over the thread.
Moxley is more entertaining because he has a load of presence and a relatable character and simple story matches that build his character.
Ospreay has, recently, gotten good at the current young, athletic main event style that is prominent in Japan right now - its really the DDT main event style.
The problem with Ospreay is that he has no real character as such, but New Japan like that because they have the sports presentation thing and they like their top baby faces to be a standard bearer of "good wrestling" as their entire personality, which is why no one with a character beyond that ever gets to stay on top for long. So far as the Bushiroad New Japan presentation, Ospreay is obviously being set up as a top guy and the top gaijin. Moxley is there to be a special attraction since he doesn't do the house style and can give the audience the Inoki style clash matches that NJPW was founded on. It's also refreshing to see someone work a different match in New Japan since the current product is the same shit nonstop, so far as match structure goes.
Moxley is a departure from the NJPW gimmick so he will obviously stand out more. Its pretty simple. Can't believe I had to explain it, you must be really dumb.
>100 million dollars because it has no value because they have no assets.
assets are equity. that figures into their bottom line. it's no longer 100m because they've since hired people and run events which are figured in for liabilities. 1 method of valuation (one of the only ones besides cash value that's relevant to AEW because it's a new venture with no market, stock, value) is its book value. thus their bottom line is their only value right now.
>the Inoki style clash matches that NJPW was founded on
Stopped reading right there,THIS NIGGA CAN'T FUCKING MAKE A STRIKE CONNECT,he's as soft as Sanada but wants to be Ishii.
I appreciate you making my point for me
yes their value is their book value as it stands right now
Which is no where near 100 mil and that was my point, thanks
I remember when a Meltzer 5 star match was a big deal. He's started giving them way too liberally though.
Bruh you are fucking retarded lmao
You also keep saying book value like it isn't assets entered into a companies books as value which they have no assets
I don't agree with the character thing, I think they all have characters, good characters at that. What they don't have is much in the way of gimmicks. Naito is the highest guy up that kinda has that, but it's not so much of a gimmick as opposed to just himself with the volume turned up. They all have personalities, motivations, backgrounds, deeply woven relationships with each other, but none of the top guys are deep in a gimmick. I think NJPW succeeded at not having gimmicks, where others have failed. Other places that tried it ended up with generic fucking boring rosters, but nobody besides Young Lions really give off that 'first name last name happy to be here, I'm a pro wrestler' shit, and even the Young Lions are getting personality pretty quick, especially Shooter.
Or maybe the wrestling is just better than it was before
equity is counted as a company asset
Education as a whole is considerably better than it was 50 years ago but an A is still an A people aren't in school getting triple S+ grades and shit
BARB
STONE COLD IS ON THE TV
This
They have no shares so they have no equity. Do you even know these words you're using?
his equity. it's a private company.
There is no equity in a private company. allow me to educate you with a simple google search.
Equity is typically referred to as shareholder equity (also known as shareholders' equity) which represents the amount of money that would be returned to a company’s shareholders if all of the assets were liquidated and all of the company's debt was paid off.
>They have no assets
>no equity
you can have equity it a private company. tony is provided the asset to begin the company
>you can have equity it a private company.
You can but it doesn't increase the bottom line as you like to keep calling it because you can only sell stock to employees within the company. You clearly do not know what you're talking about.
A companies "bottom line" is a company's income after all expenses have been deducted from revenues. These expenses include interest charges paid on loans,loans, general and administrative costs, and income taxes.
AEW is not worth 100 million dollars, end of story.
>tony is provided the asset to begin the company
Those are not assets that is capital, assets would be their rings, stage,tron etc that could be liquidated. Refer back to this post and just read it more than once and try to let the point sink into your brain. Just because you pay 100 million dollars for something does not mean it's worth 100 million dollars.
equity has to be accounted with liabilities and assets to figure the bottom line
>not having stiff strikes means his style is the same as everyone in NJPW
Please install a brain in ya head
Irony
What I said was his character is simple and relatable. I never said he was the only person with a character. His motivations to win matches are really obviously that he likes winning matches and is into being in fights so he automatically connects with the audience.
NJPW's presentation right now is that they are the best pro wresting and it's a very sports oriented product so the overarching story is always about being the best wrestler and not melodrama shit like wwe so to people who only know wwe it's a refreshing change. Moxley has a character that fits that presentation, but is still quirky and unlike someone like Naito, who kills himself to win matches for titles he doesn't want or care about, Moxley just wants to beat people up. It works and stands out against "doing my best" gimmicks.
Osprey is gonna have to retire in 2 years. So much for the future.
There is not equity holy shit you're either dense or a troll. Equity is the amount of money that would be returned to shareholders if all of the assets were liquidated and all of the company's debt was paid off. There is no shareholders in a privately owned company. A company's bottom line is net earnings or net profits after all expenses have been deducted from revenues. These expenses include interest charges paid on loans, general and administrative costs, and income taxes.
equity is the owner's claim of an asset to being a business. tony's is 100 million
No Ospreay is over as fuck listen to the crowds anytime he's out
>gets given literal proof that Ospreay sold out a building twice that Mox didn't once
>"a-are you retarded, th-there's no way...."
Nigga don't be dense Ospreay's far more over in New Japan
>fake tough guy gimmick
>can only do strikes
>but can't make them look good
He's nearly as bad as Fale
They said that Naito was going to retire in a few years and he's still there,he'll learn to slow down and change his arsenal of moves in time.
>equity is the owner's claim of an asset to being a business
No, it's not, I gave you the literal definition of what equity is. I honestly can't be bothered to argue with someone so ignorant anymore I'm out
My last post, Assets are items of value owned by a business that can be liquidated. Like I said their rings, stage, cameras all that shit are assets because they have value. You buy a restaurant, you buy a 30 thousand dollar oven thats an asset because its valued at 30 thousand dollars you can just buy a business and because you have a billion dollars its automatically valued at a billion dollars. If you can't understand something my 11 year old can than there is legit no saving you and i hope there isn't anyone in your life who actually thinks you know what you're talking about when it comes to any given subject.
>can
Cant
equity is an asset. 100 m from tony. that's how you start a business. owner equity or a liability from a bank is how u start. otherwise their is no asset to begin a business
>explain character and its contrast to the NJPW presentation
>"b-but he d-doesn't do fake punches the way I want him to so he is the same as everyone else and doesn't stand out"
Seek a lobotomy.
>Ospreay really doesn’t have as much momentum as you think he would given his year.
He literally just won a belt and a tournament and putting on 5 star matches with everyone.
He's doing just fine.