In-ring work is meaningless

In-ring work is meaningless.

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Bases. But smarks thing that ring work is some fucking objective thing.

Based and anti-smarkpilled.
The money is drawn before the match even starts.

Smarks have ruined wrestling. I don't know why anyone listens to them.

Godfather fucking sucked

t. smarks

Nah, it's just not the be-all end-all of professional wrestling.

He was over with an audience of 10 million.

BASED pimp daddy has more charisma dancing to the ring than the entire roster today

Why is it that random jobbers from AE have more charisma than 99% of the current roster?

Incorporating your larger-than-life persona into your fighting style and adapting various moves to fit in with that gimmick is still "in-ring work" ya damn simpolas.

They didn't have more charisma,they had a better look and gimmick.

He needed Jericho, a guy with charisma, to make him even halfway relevant.

Ideally it would be but that's not how smarks rate matches.

They didn't care more about in ring, WCW just put on better matches with their cruiserweights. Everything outside were exactly like WWF matches, with screwy interference or dq finishes for their world title scene or anything involving NWO members for 2 years, and it was what drew money

He wasn't over, the hoes were over.

Papa Shango was much better

Yes it is. but it depends on what show you are putting together. all shows should be different

Anyone can get over if your appearance always guarentees some tiddy and ass on display

>Wrestling is about 70%actual ring skills 30% gimmick and charisma
Hulk Hogan was dogshit in the ring and was the greatest draw ever. I personally prefer the matches of guys with great in ring skills but holy fuck are you wrong.

I loved Malenko. His ECW matches with Eddie, WCW with Rey Mysterio, and tag team with Benoit are gold but WCW fans didn't actually give two fucks about in ring work.

>Hulk Hogan was dogshit in the ring

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Shoot more charisma than the entire 2019 roster except for joe and brock

Wrestling is
>70% mic skills/charisma
>15% look
>14% gimmick
>1% ring skills

He was. An absolutely terrible in ring wrestler. Had maybe 3 moves Scoop Slam, Big Boot, Leg Drop.

His look, mic skills, and gimmick were god tier for the time though. He was a perfect fit during the 80's.

>tuvalu tim
>charisma

This. Their cruiserweight division was great but the 3 most over guys they ever had were Sting, Hogan, and fucking Goldberg. Sting was goodish? in the ring but Hogan was lousy at everything except working a comeback and Goldberg was/is a walking abortion in the ring

this guy gets it

Stone Cold Steve Austin moveset
>punches
>stomps in the corner (with theatrics)
>pointed elbow drop (with theatrics, from the second rope if PPV match)
>leapfrog guillotine (this is where the guy is draped over middle rope and Austin put his nuts on the back of his head)
>stomp to groin
>Sleeper
>Thesz press with punches (with theatrics)
>Stunner
Drew more dimes in the shortest amount of time than anybody, and is universally respected.

Seth Rollins moveset
>Belly to back into STO
>Falcon Arrow (sometimes from top rope)
>Falling DDT
>Frog Splash
>Inverted hurricanrana
>Reverse STO to the Second Turnbuckle
>Pendulum Backbreaker
>Phoenix Splash (Corkscrew 450 Splash)
>Running shooting star press
>Somersault senton
>Small Package Driver (Fisherman DDT followed into a small package, sometimes from the top rope)
>Snap Suplex
>Stinger splash
>Springboard clothesline
>Springboard Moonsault
>Standing moonsault
>Suicide Dive
>Superkick
>Tree of woe double foot stomp
>Tope Con Hilo
>Turnbuckle Powerbomb
>Avada Kedavra (Superkick to a kneeling or seated opponent) – 2010–2011; used a signature move thereafter
>Blackout / Peace of Mind / Curb Stomp/ The Stomp (Running pushing stomp to the head of a bent-over opponent) – 2012–2015; 2018–present
>Diving high knee, sometimes while springboarding − 2012–2014; used a signature move thereafter
>Fall forward single-underhook DDT – 2015
>Pedigree (Double underhook facebuster) – 2015–2017; adopted from Triple H
>Ripcord Knee / King's Landing / Revolution Knee (Wrist lock transitioned into a short-arm high knee) – 2017–present
>Skywalker (Standing shiranui) – 2012–2013; used as a signature move thereafter
Is so fucking bad Vince is willing to hotshot the title to a 40-year-old midget with brain damage.

Austin was a little more versatile than that but your point is still valid.

The Rock was even more limited than Austin and still got an insane draw.

>le hogan was good in japan meme

At the peak of Austin's run (post Owen's piledriver, pre-neck surgery), that's all Austin did.

After his surgery, he would bust out a random vertical suplex on TV. Went to a PPV superplex and Texas piledriver a couple of times. Used his old finishers (Stun Gun and Million Dollar Dream) very sparingly as callback moves. I think he used a Texas Cloverleaf against Bret Hart once, and maybe a snap mare and a top wrist lock.

Austin knew how to do the basic mat wrestling that everyone at the time knew, and no one today knows how to.

For the majority of his career he was. You are stupid for thinking his 5 minutes in Japan made him good the rest of his career.

Imagine being this stupid. Imagine.

Didn't even mention Japan, marks.

Wrestling quality has nothing to do with amount of moves.

Imagine being this stupid.

>Hogan
>wrestling quality
Pick one

Show me a bad Hogan match before 2006

Pretty much all of them during the height of his popularity.

Name one.

THIS. I just watched Hogan vs. Savage from Wrestlemania 5 last night and Hogan is terrible for the whole match. Savage absolutely carries it.

Hogan vs Andre. If you are too dumb to understand why, you are a super retard.

What, was Hogan not doing enough flips and dives?

Ringwork matters more than anything else, but its not about just being a "good worker" and having solid matches.

Once you are over the threshold of just being technically solid enough to have a match with anyone, most of ringwork is charisma, just like anything else.

Charisma is what makes stars. Carrying yourself in the ring like a star and drawing the crowd into your matches emotionally is what makes a great wrestler.

Based purist

Characters, gimmicks, story telling, and the match itself are all important aspects. You need a mixture of everything to make it work. No single aspect carries a match. Moves for the sake of moves means nothing, just like a boring match robs the intensity and feel. Why should you feel investment if they themselves aren't invested?

Hogan vs. Warrior is a great example of this. Not a "work rate" match but had it's spots, but every single move was made and intended to show off how effectively equal Warrior and Hogan were and it is exciting. Where as you had Goldberg and Lesnar 1 try the same thing, but since both guys were leaving, they didn't give a shit and we got a fucking DUD.

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nah, it's really not. it just isn't some technical flippy competition. the rock for example didn't do any of that shit, but his moves were dramatic and drew emotion.

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>Hulk Hogan was dogshit in the ring
Hogan was just as good as most wrestlers from his era. Sure you had better wrestlers, but Hogan still had better matches than 90% of the 80's WWF roster

absolute sóy opinion

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>Hogan was just as good as most wrestlers from his era. Sure you had better wrestlers, but Hogan still had better matches than 90% of the 80's WWF roster

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You're telling me you actually fucking liked Hercules Hernandez matches?

Except he literally didn't, he did his job, he got over

wow that's a lot of meme stuffed into one image

>the only acceptable wrestling is the kind of wrestling i grew up with

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No.

But I did like the matches of Ricky Steamboat, Randy Savage, Tito Santana, Dynamite Kid, Bret Hart, Davey Boy Smith, Bret Hart, Mr. Perfect, Shawn Michaels, Jimmy Snuka, Iron Sheik, Jim Duggan, Haku, and Arn Anderson more than any of Hogan's matches.

Hogan is Goldberg tier. Huge draw from his look, gimmick, and mic work, terrible between the ropes. The only in ring skill he had was working a comeback, but it was the same every time.

>But I did like the matches of Ricky Steamboat, Randy Savage, Tito Santana, Dynamite Kid, Bret Hart, Davey Boy Smith, Bret Hart, Mr. Perfect, Shawn Michaels, Jimmy Snuka, Iron Sheik, Jim Duggan, Haku, and Arn Anderson more than any of Hogan's matches.
Did you not read what I fucking said? There are fucking better wrestlers than him of that era, but his matches were better than most shit in the undercard of that era. Fucking hell. Most of you wrestling fags can't even read half of the time, no wonder why Vince thinks you're all fucking idiots.

I read exactly what you said. And all those guys had better matches than Hogan, meaning "Hogan still had better matches than 90% of the 80's WWF roster" is a bullshit statement. If you want to move the goal posts to only the undercard, because you made a stupid 90% claim in the first place, that's a different argument.

The in-ring work is by far not the best it's ever been. There are some upper tier workers like DBry and Sami but the majority of wwe wrestlers these days are not going to go out of their way to have good matches. Most of them are on cruise control just collecting checks.

holy shit these are the kind of people i share the board with

>unironically using the word share

Go back

Hogan v. Warrior - Halloween Havoc 1998
All his matches with Sting (WCW or TNA)

The Rock was criticized for years for "not being a good in-ring worker" from smarks, regardless of the reaction to his moves

No, the only acceptable wrestling is the one that draws the most fans as it is a clear indicator what people want to see.

Rock actually came back from hollywood in 2001 more athletic than ever. That run to 2002 before losing to Brock was his peak athleticism. That's real in ring worker, only nerds care for a wrestler knowing how to do 30 different piledrivers and powerbombs

I forgot the oblong globe IC Title had the old WWF block logo through the first few years of the Attitude Era. Belt looks based, way better than with the scratch logo.

Ironically Godfather was a pretty good worker by the time he shed the Papa Shango gimmick.
Nice high impact move set, a gimmick signature, and you never really see him botch terribly during this time.

It depends on the wrestler, the federation he wors for and the time period.

>Hulk Hogan was dogshit in the ring
mark

this

have sex

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He also made no fucking money disproving OPs gay theory.

I mean, his match with Tenryu won a Tokyo Sports Best Bout.

Yeah because Tenryu is a GOAT worker. If you have a GOAT worker and a shitter and the match is a success, you don’t credit the shitter user, you credit the guy widely considered amongst his peers to be the creame of the crop.

Godfather was hype as fuck. He was No Way Jose or Adam Rose except for when he came on you kept the tv on because he was entertaining as fuck.

I bet you think the leg drop was a shit finisher too ya seething mark.
Amount of moves doesn't matter. Never did, never will.

>Tree of Woe
>Adava Kedavera
>King's Landing
>Skywalker

Seth is so cringe

Papa Shango should of came back once at least

Please. Even Alexa Bliss knows how to do basic mat wrestling, they just don't empathize that aspect of pro-wrestling much.

Austin was a ring psychology genius. There is a reason he could have a limited move set.
The only people you heard of on his level are Flair and Okada.
Vince was never able to replicate the SCSA ring work formula for a reason.

The Godfather was the Enzo Amore of his time and wasn't a draw. Over because of memes and the ho's. Literally nothing more than a catchphrase. No memorable matches or promos.

Man, I just find that if you're going to spend so much time watching wrestling, you should at the very least enjoy what is going to happen in the ring.

I'm not saying that you should enjoy 1000 movez, but you should at least be entertained by some style somewhere. If you enjoy everything about wrestling, but the wrestling, why not watch something else?

tbf Tree of Woe was not a thing named by Seth

If you want to watch a comedy variety show just watch SNL nigga

>Hogan can't wrestle

Only proves Hogan was the greatest worker of all time

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Wrestling is:
10% luck
20% skill
15% concentrated power of will
5% pleasure
50% pain
and 100% reason to PLAY THE GAME

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They were fucking Chads and not marks