>here’s the thing; if Dwayne had of come to WCW he would have just been another guy. Guys like Hogan, Goldberg, Sting, Lugar and Steiner, those guys wouldn’t have let him get away with what he was saying. I fucking certainly wouldn’t have >and then I come back to WWF, after not being in the territory for 6 years and this fucking guy has the audacity to big league me? He wouldn’t have fucking dared do that in WCW because we would have killed him. >I was just as big of a star as Dwayne and just as over as he was, probably even more so, but you would have never known it because I wasn’t allowed to say shit to Vince’s golden boy.
>Booker says he wouldn't have pushed an obvious talent No wonder WCW failed
Angel Powell
The absolute state of this simp. >i-if i w-was booking i-i'd had m-made myself g-go over Ya we know Kev. Luckily the company you booked for went out of business ya fucking dweeb.
Eli Cruz
He's wrong.
Eli Campbell
>because we would have killed him
Does Big Daddy Bitch not realise Dwayne is related to Haku and all the other island niggers?
Angel Anderson
I think so. Even if he wasn’t as over as the Rock, he would still have been so close to being as over as the Rock that it doesn’t really matter and still proves his point. It’s also timeframe dependant, in 2000? Rock was more over. In 1998? Yeah Nash was more over for sure.
Kayden Garcia
Fucking kek. Nash was never over.
Daniel Perez
Bitch is throwing stones in a glass house. Nash legitimately thinks he is the cats meow, he was always a b+ player, the same as his butt buddy HHH but Trips actually had the ability to get over.
Jose Hall
No he isn’t. Haku is Tongan. Dwayne is half Samoan.
Mason Powell
The audacity of this faggot to complain about this when he did the exact same thing in WCW.
Kevin Robinson
>when a nigger refuses to bend knee and fellate your 4 inch member >when a nigger is holding your belt >when a nigger is making more money in a year then you have ever seen
Yeah but they have that retarded blood brother bullshit and we’re all as close as family. You really think they’d let guys fuck with Peter Maivia’s grandson?
Cameron James
NWO Wolfpack was HUGE. Remember this was the time where WCW beat WWF in the ratings for a year straight, and the biggest baby faces at that time in WCW were Sting, Nash, and DDP. So, not sure if you’re too young to remember, or you watched WWF instead (it was kind of a console war), or if you somehow remembered it differently, but WCW was a bigger draw, and Nash was their biggest baby face in the hottest angle of the 1990s, the NWO angle.
I didn’t realise it until almost 20 years later because it seems absurd, but when you think about it, yeah, he’s actually telling the truth or pretty close to it.
Bentley Reed
>can't handle the bants in a promo so you have to literally threaten to murder another wrestler for real Holy worked get a load of this mark
Hunter Long
So his argument is that, because he and others are self-marks, if he was booking, the second biggest star ever created in wrestling would never have been born because they would've used him as just "another guy". Makes ya wonder why he wasn't a successful booker, huh.
Samuel Roberts
>being butthurt about one line in a promo after 10 years >wwe consider you only good enough to be Scott Hall's backup What else did he do after his comeback other than tear his quads? If he was as good as he claims no one would have stopped him, look at Hogan he was over as fuck regardless of anything.
The biggest baby face WCW had was Hogan till he turned into the biggest heal. Kevin was a parasite, leaching off the talent and success of others. His booking is about as good as Hardcore Holly's. WCW's arguable hottest baby face was Flair in 93 when he wrestled Vadar.
WCW's dominance only lasted for 83 weeks, even we only count 1996-2000 WCW, that 83/224 weeks during that period.
Austin Perez
Amazing how he talks about marks left and right and when he's questioned on his booking decisions, especially Goldberg's streak he starts sperging out. No wonder he's friends with Trips.
Luke Rodriguez
>t-the b-boys would h-have b-backed me u-up i thought wolfy said this fag was tough?
Juan Nelson
>The biggest star in the company, the legitimate mainstream draw and gigiantic mega #1 guy in the company big leagued me Boo fucking Hoo What a bitch. Kek I bet Wolfcuck will come in and pull numbers out of his ass that for a few days in 2000 during one promo of a Raw that Kevin Nash sold 20 tickets more than The Rock
Kayden Brown
No, of course not. The Rock and Stone Cold Steve Austin got massively over because of these styles of promos.
Camden Miller
what an absolute mark
Eli Rivera
>Eric: So kevin, people are tired of seeing the streak but they don't want to see Goldberg lose, how should we book this >Kevin: Just let me powerbomb him center of the ring, 1 2 3, the crowd love it >Eric: I see
Isaac Collins
i think what he was trying to say was that ALL the aforementioned guys were tough, and NONE of them would have put up with being talked down to the way the rock loved talking down to his opponents.
look, the rock was legit over in wwf and a legit draw, but shit like this actively prevented other guys from getting anywhere near his level (we could have an argument over whether billy fucking gunn really had what it took to be a star to begin with, but it's almost a moot point, even another rock-tier performer would have a hard time recovering from a verbal burial this fucking severe)
big daddy bitch hates blacks likw booker and the rock because he got raped in the summer of 92
Robert Kelly
Basically admitting politics killed WCW and bragging about it as if it was an achievement while Rock was free of that bullshit and become a bigger star than all of WCWs roster combined
Luis Lee
This is delusional. Hogan was not the biggest baby face WCW had, ever, except maybe in like 200 for six months. The fans hated him because aside from being an old shitter doing PG shit in the edgy 90s when WCWs audience was aware that ECW existed, and being an outsider from the promotion WCW fans hated, he was 2010s John Cena doing the same garbage baby face shitty match and winning all the time and his reaction was lukewarm at best almost immediately after the hype of his WCW debut until 1996 where he turned heel because he HAD to.
Nash was more over as a baby face in 1998 than Hogan was in 96, and even when Hogan turned face/tween when NWO black and white and NWO Wolfpack merged again, Nash was still at least as over if not more so. The only time I can think that Hogan would’ve actually been more over as a baby face than Nash would be that 2000ish period right when Hogan went back to the yellow and red attire and doing his old baby face routine where he no sold the jackknife etc.
RIGHT at the time when NWO Wolfpac was formed in May 1998 is when the tides began to turn in WWF's favor.
Kevin Nash, more than any one man, killed WCW.
>n-nuh uh!! it was the mean old AOL guys!! BECAUSE they looked at it and a saw a SHIT product, chiefly due to the actions of Big Dumbass.
Samuel Nelson
Tbh as a kid I always thought the Wolf Pac was retarded.
Cuz forever they were telling us NWO = The bad guys. And you had guys like Sting that were against them. But then suddenly there was a good guy faction? Made up of some of the old bad guys? It wasn't a super well done angle.
Alexander Stewart
Rock cut promos like that on HHH all the fucking time, to which HHH always had a comeback. Even if said comeback was just him seething and being butthurt in response, he was confident in his butthurt and it successfully perpetuated their feud and built up big matches between them.
When Nash got called big daddy bitch, he was like a deer caught in the headlights and had no comeback.
Elijah Barnes
Did Dwane big league Nash’s ass?
Ian Sanchez
Morning Wolfy
Mason Hill
>still seething over “big daddy bitch” Lmao, why did this mark take it so personally
Christopher Moore
He should've seethed in character then gone back stage without having personal feelings about what one fake character said to another. Instead he looked like a bitch in headlights in front of the fans then seethed for real in the back. Kek what a mark.
Caleb Nelson
>RIGHT at the time when NWO Wolfpac was formed in May 1998 is when the tides began to turn in WWF's favor.
Not true. Wolfpack also always existed as subset in NWO and also they had been slow burning the tension between them for months.
Yes Nash killed WCW and he’s a shit wrestler and a mediocre booker. Who cares. My point is that he was over as fuck, he’s right about that.
Carson Harris
In a promotion where i was a head booker,you would be afraid of me kek what a bitch
Asher Jones
COMPLETELY dishonest moving of goal posts when you know good and well the NWO Wolfpac nickname within the NWO Black and White is not the same thing as the separate faction, and NOT what you implied when in your previous post.
YOU said >Nash was their biggest baby face
Which he was NOT in his time in the Black and White. He was the 3rd biggest heel in the company after Hogan and Bischoff, being second in command of the NWO (or third depending on how you saw things).
You are a LIAR. And no matter how many times you try to spin history for your own fantasies you will always be one.
Jason Morris
> >WCWs audience was aware that ECW existed Only fat smarks knew about ECW ya zoomer
Lincoln Carter
What is so compelling about this NBA wash-out that only took up pro wrestling because he was out of other options in life and didn't want to get a real job, who then proceeded to lollygag his way through the industry for a decade and a half coasting on his physical stature while making a mockery of the whole thing along the way, eventually doing lasting damage to the entire concept of pro wrestling that is still felt today?
Robert Sanchez
KEVIN NASH GOT RAPED IN THE ASS BY A PACK OF FUCKING NEGROIDS IN THE SUMMER OF 1992
Every fucker knew about ECW in the 90s, back under your bridge
Jayden Perez
yet almost 20 years later and the show is still literally called smackdown thanks to the rock while he is a movie star and nash is recording shoot interviews
Ryan Foster
the only thing big daddy bitch was over was a barrel as tyrone went to work on him in 92
Robert Myers
Go back ya LARPers
Adam Gonzalez
Man you are as mentally ill as this wolfcuck guy, why are you so angry and serious about this. When the Wolfpack first got over, Nash was their biggest baby face, maybe tied with Sting? I mean If it wasn’t Nash at that time, then who was it?
Yeah this. Basically people just heard about ECW through magazines and some pirated VHS, not many people actuslly watched it but they knew what was going on, and fans of both WCW and WWF wanted some of that, hence the attitude era
Nolan Phillips
Goldberg and DDP
Landon Bell
This thread seems to have triggered wimpcuck, he's making Nash threads every few minutes again.
Evan Cook
even then it was a regional thing ecw was only really popular on the east coast.
Tyler Wilson
>Goldberg Yes >DDP maybe, I kinda doubt it because although he was over he was booked like a geek and basically got wrecked on television every week by the NWO and barely got his wins back in actual matches against the main event roster
But even if we presume that’s true, the most over people in the company were Goldberg, then DDP, then Nash. That’s still over as FUCK and basically still proves his point about being at least as over as the Rock around that time
Luke Smith
>When the Wolfpack first got over, Nash was their biggest baby face Confirmed liar as user said, or you just don't know what the fuck you are talking about. Wolfpack, as in the actual red and black faction, were formed in the peak of Goldberg's overness.
DDP would have also been ahead of Nash, along with a handful of other people in the company, some of them not even very far up the card like Norman Smiley.
Sub Mick Foley tier. Not that mick is low given he was one of the big 3 for WWE.
But nash was #4 or #5
Brandon Wood
>Norman Smiley more over than the leader of the biggest baby face stable in pro wrestling
Bobby Heenan did a great job but come on now
Liam Russell
Fucking do one you dribbling hermit. You've no idea and you sound like a right twat
Aaron Bell
Nash was not over at all. Rick Steiner was more over than Kevin Nash in 1998 and 99.
Sting and Konnan were the draws of the Wolfpac. Nash, as always, rode their coattails.
Noah Garcia
i think you might be giving ecw a bit too much credit here. they were primarily a northeast promotion for much of their existence, and while yeah some of the internet fans and tape traders in other parts of the country might have been a little familiar with them, new york, new jersey, and philly were their main stomping grounds.
when hogan first came to wcw in 1994, they were still primarily a southeastern promotion, with their headquarters in atlanta. they had done some shows in other markets like chicago and baltimore, but remember, turner bought what was essentially the remains of jim crockett's mid-atlantic promotion, so their strongest fanbase and attendance was always in georgia and the carolinas. even as the wwf expanded nationally in the mid-late 80s, the crockett region (and to an extent the south in general ie memphis, louisville, florida) was the one region of the country he couldn't really find solid ground in. they hated the percieved childish and cartoony wwf product, which was almost like living on a different planet compared to what jcp had been doing with guys like dusty, the four horsemen, magnum t.a. and the like. that's why the numbers when hogan first came in weren't really that great.
but....eric bishoff both knew and kind of expected this. but he considered hogan to be a key piece of the puzzle he would need to put together to try and make wcw 'more than just a southern rasslin promotion' and not just do good numbers in other markets, but also attract sponsors for tv ad revenue that might have been turned off from supporting what they saw as trashy redneck bullshit. it took them a bit over two years longer than i'm sure they would have liked, but by 1996 eric (and let's not forget the role kevin sullivan played into this too) finally started to get their vision of what wcw could/should be off the ground
Jeremiah Richardson
>i think you might be giving ecw a bit too much credit here. they were primarily a northeast promotion for much of their existence, and while yeah some of the internet fans and tape traders in other parts of the country might have been a little familiar with them, new york, new jersey, and philly were their main stomping grounds. user, you are exposing yourself as a youngfag who was not around for these events.
Wrestling was a MASSIVE, GIGANTIC cultural phenomenon and any young man or college aged wrestling fan who had even a passing interest in pro wrestling would be stopping at the magazine rack and picking up issues of wrestling magazines, and within they would find coverage of ECW. The internet was in fact around during this time, not in many homes, but at school when you got online and searched for wrestling sites through yahoo right there would be ECW results and newz.
From 97-99 ECW as a brand was mainstream through cultural osmosis. This is not even counting that WWF and WCW mentioned the company on different occasions.
The rest of your post is decently accurate, although also somewhat short-sighted. Calling WCW 1994 a "primarily southeastern promotion" is wrong.
Joseph Stewart
And you're seething over being called out on being a zoomer who wasn't there for the MNW lol
Jose Nguyen
NWO was the only angle Bischoff knew so he ran it into the ground.
Lucas Cooper
based user having the autism to mentally kick the shit out of this fag
Lincoln Cook
I'm sure that Vince booked all of the WCW guys to look like geeks, and told Kevin "Got Raped" Nash not to say anything back to Rock. I'm also sure that, had Kevin tried to fire back, Rock would have buttfucked him worse on the mic than Bill Cosby did to his actual butthole in the scorching heat of August, 1992.
David Diaz
ECW was on TV it wasn't hard to find when scrolling through the channels if you had satellite TV, everyone knew it was like the #3 that was poorer than the big 2
i was alive and watching wrestling during the mnw (tho i'm probably younger and from a different part of the country than you, born in '91 in ga, family was nwa-wcw loyal until nitro and the ppvs got unwatchable-bad sometime in 99-00)
i didn't read the magazines or the internet message boards at the time and watched a good chunk of the good stuff from wwf/ecw from that era on vhs/dvd months or years after the fact (thank god for the network lol it's way more convenient to rewatch shit on)
i watched some of the wwe-produced documentaries on this subject made after the fact, but i'm aware they had a bit of bias and aren't 100% accurate lol
Sebastian Carter
It worries me how the history of wrestling is so distorted after the meddling of WWE's revisionism, wrestler's shoot interview revisionism, and the autistic OCD campaigns of crazy people to change the narrative surrounding wrestlers they are obsessed with.
What is popularly "known" about wrestling vs what actually happened that I know happened because was there to see it is staggeringly different.
Makes you wonder about the rest of the world. I put it up to something like this phenomenon:
Think about next time you are reading about the "history" or music, television, etc.
Jackson Diaz
So taking your post here into consideration with the tone you took here You need to sit your ass down and lurk moar, kid.
John Thomas
remember when BDB buried goldberg, the most over face that wcw had?
Jaxson Morgan
user there are more than two people posting on Yea Forums lol that second reply wasn't from me, you are having two different conversations here
Ryder Phillips
He also buried Wrath right before than when Wrath was getting over big time.
Aaron Powell
im the other guy who posted originally
i think you're talking to like 4 different people lmao
my point stands, Nash was over as fuck whether you loved him or you hated him, i know its fun to talk shit about him because it triggers some sperglord but in truth he was actually really hot, not as hot as goldberg, or sting probably, but definitely top five biggest babyfaces in american pro wrestling at the time - i mean theres no question that he was a bigger deal than the rock, he main evented WWF shows before the rock was even in wrestling, and for several years after rocky maiva could even get to the midcard, and then was still at the top when the rock met him there before the rock surpassed him
I agree about WCW being heavily a southeastern promotion until they picked up hogan... maybe they expanded more slightly before that but for the most part that seems to be accurate from what i recall
Josiah Morgan
Too bullshit in this post to even begin to address. Lie as many times as you want but you'll never convince yourself.
Parker Lee
they were in chicago as early as 89 (where one of those great flair/steamboat matches of that year happened) and had done shows in general outside the south....but those shows generally weren't drawing flies to shit.
oh, and they had national tv, even before nitro (wcw saturday night, the old tbs show called 'world championship wrestling' that had existed going back to the crockett days that they named the company after) which did decentish ratings (the clash of the champions specials of the late 80s-early 90s were doing in like the 3.0 range, not as big as nitro and raw's heights in the late 90s, but better than wwe is doing today, which is a fucking condemnation of modern wrestling if i've ever seen one) but even on tv, people outside the south were watching, but the majority of viewers were in the south
Ayden Bell
WCW had done collaboration shows with NJPW in the early 90s
Jack Lopez
This is why it's best to put out that history whenever available. People will seek it out however irrelevant it may seem
Ryan Adams
i don't remember what countries they had tv deals with outside the us before bishoff but yeah, they worked with international talent and did some co-productions in both japan and in the states with njpw. and while japanese talent was kind of de-emphasized (outside of the cruiserweight division) as the years went on, they still kind of were on good terms with and doing shows together in japan until around the time vince russo pissed them off with his comments about japanese (and mexican) wrestlers not being draws
wwf was way bigger in the international anglosphere (canada, australia, europe) until a couple years into the nitro era, tho. wwf did big tours in europe a couple times a year, and toronto of course wasn't too far from the wwwf's territorial roots in new york (and they did good numbers in all of canada when bret was champion, obviously). it took wcw a while to catch up with them there
Brody Edwards
Sounds like BDB was upset someone had more political clout than him
Joseph King
He cashed the check didn't he?
Aiden Reed
Based peoples champion making some jabroni mark relive his rape live on stage in front of the millions (and millions) of the Rock's fans. If you smell what the Rock is cooking (smells like 1992).
Jason Lopez
He's correct, he just doesn't mention the part where "good new guys aren't allowed to get over because Hogan, Luger and Nash have to stay on top" was literally the reason for WCW dying and him having to crawl back to daddy Vince to get anally annihilated by based Rock.
Ian Edwards
Basically hes saying he would have buried a literal megastar like the rock, just like his cancerous buttbuddies shawn and cunter tried to, and would have been proud of it This is why WCW failed and the stupid liberal sjw cunt doesnt even realise KWAB
> I was just as big of a star as Dwayne and just as over as he was, probably even more so, but you would have never known it because I wasn’t allowed to say shit to Vince’s golden boy Jesus christ this cope, just when i thought i couldnt respect this virtue signalling creampuff any less
Michael Jenkins
hogan put bill goldberg over clean....tho they eventually found a way to fuck that up too
hogan put billy kidman over....in matches where hogan got like 90% of the offense where kidman's wins ended up looking more like a fluke than anything
basically fuck hogan haha even vince russo wanted rid of the shitter eventually
James Robinson
the people here saying nwo and Nash weren't over obviously didn't live through it
Evan Scott
>NWO over Yes, but let's not pretend the "majority of fans" were NWO fans. The NWO were heels and their fans were in the minority among WCW's fanbase. "But look at all the NWO shirts in the crowd!" you will say. Yes, but look at how many people are not wearing them. The main fanbase for the NWO were late teens and college aged males. The kids, younger boys, and old men like the WCW faces. >Nash over Lukewarm overness. Most popular with wigger white guys and fat women.
Daniel Stewart
>Bro in WCW we wouldn't have killed him cause our egos couldn't take the script.
Imagine thinking this is something positive that you would admit to doing on camera. What an absolute pussy lmao. Rock owning multiple people is a big reason they won the Monday Night Wars. So congrats nash, I guess you kept your ego but buried an entire company. What a cuck.
Leo Rivera
And since I watched ECW and WWF live as they happened, you now look a right retard dont you? Keep digging your spaz pit
Aiden Myers
They were, but Nash wasn't the all conquering charismatic demi-God the retards make him out to be. He was "just another guy" who was over during the hottest period in the history of wrestling. Goldust, The Oddities, even fucking Al Snow was over in the Attitude Era.
Jayden Barnes
REMINDER that Kevin Nash did not draw the big buyrate that is claimed by Wolfpac at Bad Blood 2003
It was because of Mick Foley's return and the fact that WWE offered the show free to anyone with a family member in the military
Jordan Lewis
I admire the competitive nature of the business back then, it's what made things so much better, but yeah, it's a completely retarded thing to say. >none of us would have let Austin stun us because fuck that, I'm the star around here
Ryan Davis
holy reddit spacing
Wyatt Ross
agreed
Benjamin Moore
Carter this dimeless wolfcuc gimmick has gone on too long and drawn negative dimes. Time to move on.
Cooper Torres
He has invested 15 years into this gimmick
Matthew Peterson
>Here's the thing: if a superior young talent with better in-ring work and charisma than me and any of my old fart friends, we would have used our creative control to make him a nobody just like all the other misused talent in WCW
He is absolutely right and if The Rock ever did join that sinking ship of a promotion wrestling would have never lasted as a cultural phenomenon. Stone Cold would take the time off in 1999 and we would have nobody left. Big Daddy Bitch would have been responsible for sending wrestling to its grave even earlier than it already has.
I don't think Austin would have taken time off if Rock wasn't so hot at the time.
James Thomas
Yeah, this is absolutely spot on. The way you sell a Rock burial promo where he goes off script is to either come back at him with something (like CM Punk and Cena did), or sell the fuck out of it and look furious (like HHH did) which furthers the heat. Nash did nothing about it and bitched about it years later, even though he used to do it to people in WCW.
Nicholas Roberts
code?
Asher Lewis
You know wrestling is a work right? Haku was not actually a tough guy. Neither was Peter Maivia.
Hunter Nguyen
>here’s the thing; if Dwayne had of come to WCW he would have just been another guy. Guys like Hogan, Goldberg, Sting, Lugar and Steiner, those guys wouldn’t have let him get away with what he was saying. I fucking certainly wouldn’t have
Yes because WCW was letting old farts like those ones bury young talent and all the gimmicks they created were shit.
