The greatest matches of all time. (5+ stars)

>Of the 15 highest rated matches ever Kenny Omega is involved in 8 of them

No memes, is Omega seriously that good? I've never seen him wrestle. Does Dave overrate him or is the consensus that Omega's really that good?

>Weeb

He gave those flippy midgets in NXT two matches above 5 stars with one hitting 5 1/2. You can't even use that argument anymore.

I agree with the ratings of whoever this connoisseur of wrestling is

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That's not a list of the greatest matches that's just a list of the things that Meltzer likes to masturbate too.

No he didnt
He retroactively bumped up the numbers after he gave that 6

He is actually extremely good and memes aside is in the conversation for greatest performer of all time. Not my stance, but hes in that group.

tanahashi vs omega from wk13 and omega vs okada from g1 2017 weren't even 5 stars tier

Thats the main reason people like him. I dont care for his gimmick and his promos are goofy, but he really can make his matches something you get emotionally involved with, specially watching it live or stream

You dont even have any of the All Japan Womens matches Dave gave over 5 stars to ya simp. Or Flair vs Steamboat. Im assuming you're a zoomer?

what did you expect?
most of the american aew/njpw fans started watching other promotions than wwe back in 2017 thanks to the 6 stars meme

As far as in ring work goes Omega is possibly one of the best. Walks the line the best of high spots without going full flippy shit. His promo work is mostly garbage though and he could never become as big as he has if not for being in Japan. Also Okada is better than Kenny is every way

Not OP but he gave Flair Steamboat 5+ which doesnt really give it a solid placing.

And everyone keeps mentioning the women's match but I have literally never seen that actual rating outside of other people telling me he did it

>Benjamin v. Micheals - Gold Rush Tournament on RAW - 5/2/05
>Goldberg v. Lesnar - WM 33
>Asuka v. Cross Last Woman Standing - NXT 6/28/2017
>Omega v Okada III - G1 - 8/12/17
>Ibushi v Tanahashi - G1 - 8/12/18

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dude just watch njpw for fuck sake it's 2019

I only watched the first Kenny/Okada match out of these (assuming it's on here) and it was ok. I for sure will never watch any more of these.

This should be at least top 5

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They are both pretty good, but almost all of the pretenders that have started using their style are garbage and don't get it a bit. Cole and Gargano are huge offenders. No one would ever think they were watching two guys actually fight when seeing those two. Same with Ospreay. Mox is unironically better than all of them

They are midgets but I havent seen them do flips. In fact, I think they are boring just for that, smaller guys should just fly around with no purpose.

this a very good match. but dave has not watched it

He's about as good as Dynamite Kid. Great acrobatics. Nice knees. Not a great seller or storyteller.

Sex. Have it.

He sucks le meltz off for his special snowflakes

Lol I've seen literally one of those

I've never seen a fan of Japanese and indy wrestling ever that wasn't pure onions. Lots of cool E fans, though.

Where is Okada vs Shibata, also top kek at the Johnny Gargano vs Adam Cole being rated higher the 2000's NOAH, the 90's AJPW and All Japan womens matches.

>14 of these 15 matches happened in the last three years
Are we going through a boom period in terms of match quality, or is Dave just full of shit?

based filter going over this brain dead simp

It's only a 5 star match.
according to dave

Most of them don't fucking matter. Who gives a fuck about "muh matches" if the angle that led up to them wasn't great. The match is the fucking cherry on top of the story that got them to it and Dave has 100 percent forgotten this.

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All Japanetties on suicide watch praying every single second that Kento isn't on one of these things

Meltzer worked this dude so hard he had a stroke.

You have posters of half naked men in your room. Onions [spoiler] onions [/spoiler] onions.

VS

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To be fair to Dave, with Okada vs Shibata, I think you're all looking at it in retrospect. At the time, the match was 5 stars because he didn't know about the hematoma and what happened to shibata after the match. Retroactively, that match is definitely 5+ stars but I can understand why Dave's keeping it at 5 instead of bumping it upwards.

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We are going through a boom period in terms of match quality but Dave is full of shit.

The actual Japanese fans are fine. It's everyone else that's just pathetic.

Not him, but seething and Worked

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that would encourage being dangerous Hiromu Takahashi vs Taiji Ishimori was a 6 star match but he took star's a way since they worked so dangerously

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Omega is good, but he's nowhere near "the best of all time", the only reason he's so many times in that rank is because he's a close friend of memeltzer

The big feuds, the character development, the story telling and the angles are so much better in NJPW that your comment expose you as a simp E-drone

I've don't even know any of these people, let alone watch a single one of their matches

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Kek

BASED

lol. I'm not watching that gook shit.

Good job at exposing yourself

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New Japan storylines are all the same shit and the production is shitty. They don't have a based Kevin Dunn to make the kino cuts we get in the E.

People will fall for this shitty bait.

The sad part is most of the E-drones unironically think that.

I don't have any problems with Okada/Omega being at the top of that list, but ever since he broke the scale with the first Okada/Omega WK11 match, we've seen this crazy elevation of matches that don't belong there *cough*Garganovsanyone*cough*.

Ospreay vs Takagi is probably MOTY so far, but it isn't in the same league as Misawa/Kawada. I mean, I guess it's literally not in the same league, but it's just not the same.

>Gargano that high

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Have you thanked the GOAT today, Yea Forums?

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Kenny Omega vs Kazuchika Okada, Wrestle Kingdom 11 is still the greatest wrestling match I've ever seen.

1/2 6

Extremely talented in the ring.
Has a decade long story done with Ibushi that was masterfully crafted between the two.
A great in-ring storyteller with call backs that go years and years back.
Can do any type of wrestling from grappling, to strong style, to high flying, to hardcore, to comedy, he can do it all.
A good promo in English AND Japanese.

His only fault is that he's a bit corny, but that is because he's a nerd.

I have no respect for this old man's taste.

Kenny vs okada Tokyo dome sucked.
Kenny vs tanahashi Tokyo dome sucked.
He didn't even rate any RVD match 5 stars so he's a complete fag in my mind

Also hes so insanely biased nowadays because ehe realizes how much power he has with it. I mean Cody vs juice 3 stars? Cmon

Also what'd he rate mox and juice?

Takeover XXV

Matt Riddle pinned Roderick Strong in 14:41. - 4.5

Street Profits (Angelo Dawkins & Montez Ford) won a four-way ladder match over Wesley Blake & Steve Cutler, Oney Lorcan & Danny Burch and Bobby Fish & Kyle O’Reilly - 4.5

Velveteen Dream retained the North American title over Tyler Breeze - 3.75

Shayna Baszler beat Io Shirai to retain the women’s title. - 4

Adam Cole beat Johnny Gargano to win the NXT Title - 5.25

BOSJ Final

Jay White pinned Hiroshi Tanahashi - 4

Jon Moxley pinned Juice Robinson to win the U.S. title. - 4.5

Will Ospreay beat Shingo Takagi to win the Best of the Super Juniors tournament. - 5.75

Omega Okada 4 is way better. Specially if you follow the other matches.

That's the look of a man who's almost heartbroken he's completed almost every goal in his life.

If every match is 4 star minimum nowadays, that means that no match is truly great as being great means regressing to the norm now.

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Nigger what. Omega strenght is storytelling. He has a decade old story with Ibushi and 4 matches with Okada that evolved.

To Meltzer, he feels that wrestling as a whole has been elevated to beyond what used to be the normal. [spoiler]To be fair, that's true.[/spoiler]

I'm not them but I got burnt out on those two working 60 minutes

Used to 15 minute matches?

saying that they actually sucked just means you have a shit opinion and no one should read your posts

no they went to them wrestling each other far too much in a short span

That's only half true.

Cope harder, ECDub-Drone

>Jon Moxley pinned Juice Robinson to win the U.S. title. - 4.5
How can any of you take this clown seriously is beyond me

Definitely not something you can binge. I was bored between classes at Uni one day and tried watching their series. Jesus fucking Christ it’s a grind...
I love them to death and I unironically think Omega/Okada II is the best match I’ve ever seen but I would never try and watch them again without taking a long break in between

>9. Johnny Gargano vs Adam Cole, NXT Takeover: New York - 5 1/2 stars
>15. Johnny Gargano vs Adam Cole, NXT: Takeover 25 - 5 1/4 stars

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>Jon Moxley pinned Juice Robinson to win the U.S. title. - 4.5

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Shibata vs Okada not being on this list should be considered a crime.

>Bryan v Seth v Omega
>2008 RoH
>easily 5*
Too bad Dave never saw it, and never will

Bullshit that was better than Dream/Breeze or Io/Baszler

>watching Trump's friend's wrestling program

You're missing at least two matches
Manami Toyota and Jumbo Tsuruta also had matches that were rated 5+ by Meltzer

shout outs to that marty scrull fan with the foam finger

Someone do the math, but if everyone else in wresting is using a 5 point scale, then doesn't this mean that a Meltzer rating of 5.5 is actually equivalent to a 3.75 rating by anyone else?

>All of these matches are better than any Kobashi/Misawa/Kawada match ever

I don't buy it, Dave, and I watched every match on that list.

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Yes, Meltzer is just a huge retard that doesn't know how bad a 5.5/10 actually look.

Dave has to be developing dementia or early onset alzheimers at this point. this list is an insult to the sport

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His base max for a "wrestling match" is 4 stars. He just feels that wrestling has elevated beyond since then.

>The sport

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Same

That match has the added bonus of having changed wrestling

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Friendly reminder the last Misawa/Kawada match, he rated 3.5

>the sport
You had me until you said that.

Meltzer worked himself when he started his 6/7 starts meme in 2017 (that 6 starts in 1994 doesn't count, was an extraordinary exception).

But when he started to add 1/2 stars and 3/4 to that... What a cringe

Well if he gives a 5 stars to the best match he's seen, then sees a better match, is he meant to give that new match 5 stars too? That would mean both matches are equal when they aren't actually. And he couldn't retroactively lower every 5 star match down to 4 1/2 so he had to go higher

That's not what hapenned though.

That's why he raises the star rating. From 4-5, 5-6, & eventually 6-7. Because he felt there was a match that surpassed everything before it and that the quality of wrestling now is of a standard higher than it was back then.

But it is

What's the point of a rating system that breaks itself this often?

>Well if he gives a 5 stars to the best match he's seen, then sees a better match, is he meant to give that new match 5 stars too?

Yes because that's how critics work. I can give more than one music album five stars but still have a favourite. Why is this so hard for some people to understand?

damn i predicted two out of dave's 5 star ratings exactly before the matches had even taken place
why is he so predictable

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The first 6 stars match is older than you.

This is a fucking joke right

Where is destroyer, kobashi, Robinson, Hansen, holy demon army, Fuchi, Robinson, danielson, tenryu... come on faggot are you even trying to troll

Execute zoomers

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Not gay but God damn he's sexy in this shot.

Meltzer is clearly starting to show the same sings of being senile as Vince McMahon does.

Explain to me how any of those matches are better than the ones people actually watched and paid money to see.

How the fuck Omega vs Okada or a NXT match it's better than Hogan vs Rock or Villano III vs Atlantis

You're legitimately fucking retarded if you think people didn't pay big money to attend or pay money to watch these matches on stream.

Psychology

>in b4 your answer doesn’t count even though I asked for it
Rock vs Hogan, if you don’t know why this isn’t as good as Mishawaka vs Kawasaki Budokan 94 then there’s nothing anyone can say that would educate you

Some people are just born with low IQ

Check this youtu.be/0JSH0HrA6o0

See the crowd?
People cared

Having an exception is one thing, rating 5.25 and 5.75 and 6.3746252 is another.

bumpo

I loved all the Omega/Okada matches with 2 being my personal favorite but they all seemed to to take a while to get off the ground.

Ospreay/Takagi was fire from bell to bell

Literally nobody believes that these are the best wrestling matches in history. Dave is just working the marks.