JOHN CENA: It's Not The Writers Fault You Can't Get Over

the cream rises to the top. NXT babbies are used to getting their flaws hidden at the cost of everyone else

Miz never drew a dime.

>falling for this obvious damage control
"CENA MY RATINGS ARE TANKING, GO TELL THEM THAT IT'S THEIR FAULT"

It really does seem like most of the roster is just a bunch of "happy to be here" types.

Cena says what he wants. They literally showed him and Mizs convo before Mania where he admits he doesn't actually miss it as much

>e-everything is a conspiracy!!
Mark

Just look at how easily Bryan sold the tag shit with him and Rowan in those post Smackdown vids.

>the writers are all shit and your job is to try and make that shit good
Why not just get better writers then
Cut out the middle step and just write good things that wrestlers turn good

when you spend a whole career working for a hot dog and handshake and then wind up in a company with catering options like building your own salads, the finest of pastrami and other deli meats, and all kinds of desserts it has to be a shock.

Didn't Big Cass get fired for not following the script?

>Why not just get better writers then
because theres no such thing. People have been bitching about bad writers no matter how many they get and no matter where they get them from.

Shouldn't be depending on them that much in the first place

He got fired for being a MAGAtard

Company boy defends company over the boys. What a shock. He can't stop burying everyone. How'd they manage to get him to speak without a hollywood producers cock in his mouth? It's either that or he's shilling fucking nuts and garbage bags.

Cass did a bunch of shit that snowballed

True, but to be fair it's not like most of them have a choice. The WWE of today is WAY more constrictive as far as creativity goes than the WWE of the Attitude Era or even the era where Cena got over.

He got fired for destroying a tour bus and stalking Carmella.

>its everyone elses fault, not me for being a one dimensional shitter

>Ryder gets organically over
>wwe writes the shittiest angles for him
>Gets cock blocked by Cena and buried by Kane
>I-it's the writers fault!1!
Fuck off, Cena

Cena's literally a one dimensional shitter

>Fired by employee who contributes millions to Trump and has wife working for him.
That was the literally the only thing keeping him employed you E-tard.

>being this much of a dumbass

I mean, I kinda get what he's saying. The writers have a basically impossible job filling up all of these hours of content and then dealing with Vince's retardation to actually create a working TV show. He's basically saying that the wrestlers need to figure out how to get over on their own because they ain't getting any help from creative.

He's saying Vince is a fucking retard who's ruining the show without saying it.

Cass did like four or five fireable offenses within the span of a couple weeks in addition to having heat with the locker room for being obnoxious politically.

All you have to do is have one month of decent promos and you can get as much freedom creatively that New Day and Samoa Joe have. Even Enzo had this.

It's really not that hard.

worked

I don't think Cena's saying what you think he's
saying.

>defending the company over the boys
>admits the company gives them literal shit

>forced to follow script word by word or else
>supposed to get over
How? Back in the day wrestlers got bullet points.

Dude, Samoa Joe still to this day gets absolutely garbage scripting that only comes off remotely decent because he saves it on delivery.

Braun had bullet points and flopped. Thats on him

Not really. Cass was basically a /pol/ sperg irl in a company where most of the talent still leans right. That's how obnoxious he was.

Invisible man Johnny'a'Chena truly is the most baste dude in the WWF

Wow! 5”8 guys who can’t do promos can’t get over. Imagine my shock!

people still don't learn, user.

Exactly
We've seen multiple times what the fuck happens when a wrestler somehow gets over despite WWE's bullshit writing
Ryder is one of the biggest and saddest examples. They blatantly cucked the fucking SHIT outta that nigga through the writing when he was getting a following
Cena can fuck off with this bullshit right here. Why the fuck should the rest of the roster try to get over and put effort into turning pre-written bullshit into gold, when they literally have to worry about what happens if they get TOO over?

I think the real issue is the vast majority of pro-wrestlers throughout history were never particularly good at cutting promos. And yet it's to be expected that the average wrestler for WWE be able to cut a promo as good as the most legendary promo cutters.

Cena doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about because he got pushed no matter how shitty the material was and how little he did to improve it (His ego thinks otherwise). It's like asking a millionaire who eats out every night, how do you cook a great meal. This shithead is clueless. Bray Wyatt says whatever he wants in a promo. None of it means shit because he loses EVERY fucking match. He's worthless and has no direction. What the fuck is he supposed to do, shoot in the ring and go into business for himself? No one should give a shit to what company boy backstage cock sucker has to say. The only thing he ever had to struggle with was with Vince's Balls on his chin.

Yea i call bullshit too, bullshit on punk that is. This just further confirms hes a no dime's indie shitter and just made up that story to try to put the blame on BMJ and the writers when really everyone including John was able to get themselves over and punk just sucks

If you think Joe hasn't had creative freedom promo wise since he won the company over during his feud with Lesnar...

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If you can't improvise it's 90% harder to get over

I’m gonna squash your whole crew

John Cena got a white rapper gimmick over as a main event act you fucking tard.

Finn is over.

>Cena doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about because he got pushed no matter how shitty the material was and how little he did to improve it
Cena took what started as a bad Vanilla Ice parody and managed in less than a year to take that gimmick and be a threat to Taker, Angle, Lesnar, etc. on Smackdown

what's the purpose of getting over, when you get fed to someone to immediately kill it? The only thing these losers have to look to get over, is a catchphrase so they can put it on a Tshirt, so when they are one step away from being homeless at age 40, they can sell those shirts at some sorry ass indie show or convention.

Cena has elevated everything that's been handed to him. Sure, he was overexposed as the top guy, but look at him whenever he steps into the ring now. He talks circles around the vast majority of the roster. He knows how to get himself over.

Prove him wrong

So is Yea Forums gonna act like they like Seth and AJ's promos now even though they make fun of them every week?

At the height of white rap itself when it was dimes in its own right.

Cena's gimmick had nothing to do with him getting over. He got over with a bunch of literal autists who think wrestling is real and cheer for the one who wins every week (aka the only shitheads left who watch this crap). And while he did that, he drew away over 3 million viewers. So yeah, great job Cena and great job understanding how this works, you fucking morons.

Speak for yourself, faggot. I never made fun of AJ Styles' promos. Seth Rollins is boring, however.

Honestly I'm surprised he didn't just get the shit beat out of him when he put his hands on Carmella, he must've been so fucking hated backstage.

I look at the promos during his feud with AJ and I know he was still being scripted.

You're responding to a clueless NXT zoomer

>I think the real issue is the vast majority of pro-wrestlers throughout history were never particularly good at cutting promos. And yet it's to be expected that the average wrestler for WWE be able to cut a promo as good as the most legendary promo cutters.
I immediately thought of Bayley when I read this
Look.....the bitch can't talk worth a fuck. We all know this. Even some of her fans admit this. But there was still something about her personality combined with her gimmick that got her over with fans anyway
She was one of those gimmicks that thankfully didn't NEED to do much of the talking that she wasn't able to do anyway. She could have stayed selling merch by just coming out with the wacky waving inflatable arm flailing tube men, hugging kids and wrestling half-assed matches with a decent spot or two
And yet....they had her talking. Over and over. Repeatedly exposing her bad acting skills and lack of confidence on the mic. And as if that wasn't bad enough, they booked her character terribly (her women's title reign made her look weak as fuck) and had her in bad feuds
How the fuck could she NOT flop after all of that?

braun's a big dumb

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I love Cena but just like Rock he is a pure company boy (for good reason). Has he ever criticized Vince or WWE once in his entire career?

It's painfully obvious to anyone who watched Smackdown at that time that you've never seen it.

I wonder how AoP were meant to turn AoPeepee into a good thing for them

Seth? Dude takes control over the writings to make it better and it's still shit? Lmao

>I haven’t watched raw in over 3 years-John Cena

The Saudi thing but only after publicing sucking the Arabs dick at the Rumble

Not really. Even a shitter like Jim Neidhart who was considered below average for his era is now considered a good promo because this era is just that bad. It must be the combo of so many people having the same kind of whiny voice mixed with over scripting and a side of no one on cocaine emoting and bringing proper intensity.

Also too many people don't even sell promos anymore. They all do the same weird smirk and trying to act above it all. It's really lame.

Stop posting stupid crap. I'm glad he's gone.

just b urself :^)

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I'm still on the writers and Dunn wagon because Cena just admitted that the writing is shit. However, with how micromanaged WWE is, I can see how talent wouldn't think to do anything but what the script says.

Dunn just makes the pile of shit look worse.

>no replies
Hmmm

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Cena was so bad they would assign three agents to his matches. He's always needed special attention just to be a passable face of the company.

because everyone knows that stuff isn't as scripted as the show is

everytime they made Drew talk about destroying Roman "on the grandest stage of them all" I ding-dong diddly cringed

Cena had the entire company bending over backwards to get him over. But yeah, Cena did it all himself by using nursery rhymes and saying bitch.

Do you honestly believe Cena would have gotten over on that level if it wasn't for (a) being allowed to freestyle/promo about non-PG topics due to his era at the time, (b) not having every single one of his lines be pre-written by shitty writers, and (c) being booked strong as fuck despite his joke gimmick (was in the Smackdown main event going against Lesnar, Angle and JBL)?
Name one person in WWE right now who doesn't have any of those restrictions
Even when there's the occasional someone who manages to find a way to get over with all the crowds even with those restrictions, that wrestler is then booked down into shit as punishment (e.g. Ryder)

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Maybe if the unnamed "creative" in the back that Cena's referring to didn't have a hate boner for managers this wouldn't be such an issue
A guy like Ricochet is going to bury himself 6 ft under because they force him to talk when he CLEARLY cannot

>you guys just need to grab the brass ring
>*grabs it*
>wow wtf why would you get over without permission
WWE literally buries you on purpose if you aren't part of their shitty writing.

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I think if the WWE really loosened the scripting and the micromanagement and upped the writing a bit, it would ultimately result in a better product with some of the guys who had potential being able to get themselves over better, but I think it would also expose a hefty majority of the talent as well.

>You are a sniveling little suck up sellout full of sufferin' succotash son
Was this Roman or was it the writers bros?

I enjoy everyone doing the same above it all smirk 90% of the time. It fits this era to see them trying to remember their lines instead of selling things properly.

Work with the writers. Owens, Bliss and Lynch have all said similair things that basically they can change stuff to how they think their characters would say something or add things here and there in the promo.
But you have to actually work with writers. My guess is most people take the script they're given and go memorize it.

Ask Zack Ryder how well that went for him in 2011.

>cringe

Face it zoomerfag, BMJ took his cue from the Attitude Era and got over. He was the last great wrestler.

Cena is right

There has been instances in which performers were given lee way like with Bliss's this is your life and KO's promo against Roman while with Jericho. The talent just doesn't know how to cut a promo either because they're all burnt out from walking on eggshells or just simply suck and I have zero faith in AEW sparking a new Monday Night Wars to boost things up again.

wtf why didn't he just get out there and make it his own like cena said????????

Vince McMahon personally scripts all Reigns' stuff just like he did with Cena.
So that one was Vince, every shitty cringey thing that comes out of his mouth is Vince.

Ryder was a pussyfaggot just like you.

Horsetty tried to work on a storyline and it broke her so hard that people think she's leaving the company now

Attitude Era drew dimes. Midcarders were more over than Cena.

The issue isn't just with the WWE but thw entirety of this Political climate. One accidental faux pas and suddenly every Numale will be screaming bloody murder to the sponsors and that wrestler will get taken off TV or taken off completely from the promotion

>zero faith in AEW sparking a new Monday Night Wars to boost things up again

Ditto. Prowrestling is dead. Nothing is more pathetic than zoomers shitting on the Monday Night Wars and in the same breath, pray that AEW gives them another one. Wrestling will never be great again, it will never be popular again, it will never get over a 3 rating again. Its fuckind dead and zoomers are jealous.

>The writers have a basically impossible job filling up all of these hours of content and then dealing with Vince's retardation to actually create a working TV show.
A lot of this could be solved with writers that have any semblance of an idea on how wrestling works.

>instances
And there's your fucking problem..."instances"
Stop citing these cherry-picked, once-in-a-blue-moon examples, when everyone knows the majority of the talent are micromanaged on EXACTLY what to say damn near all the time
We can't even have unscripted commentary. The fucking COMMENTARY, my nigga.
And you wonder why Michael Cole is known as the worst commentator ever. Nobody was calling him that shit during his 2000s Smackdown run, when Heyman had that boy talking good shit with Tazz

I'm not saying it wasn't.

I'm saying Cena was an Attitude Era wrestler stuck in the wrong time. He belonged feuding with based Kevin Nash or tag teaming with Stone Cold.

It's no wonder he looks at today's product and today's wrestlers in utter disgust.

Try to imagine The Rock asking Booker T if he knows how to read or Booker T wondering which low life of Cryme Tyme took his wallet happening in today's WWE.

>Not really.
Yes really. There's a reason why MANAGERS were so prevalent back in the day: they would talk on behalf of the wrestlers they were managing who couldn't talk for themselves. And if this generation is so bad at cutting promos anyways it's because they've never had that freedom previous generations did. It also doesn't help the majority of fans these days only view pro-wrestling through a very ironic and self-aware lens and that irony and self-awareness ends up being reflected back onto the wrestlers themselves.

Basically it's a shit show any way you look at it.

>Imagine believing this stupidity
The attitude era had their Cena. It was fucking Wolfie D. I don't recall him facing Nash or Stone Cold.

Imagine losing your cool this bad and getting worked into a frenzy of words by just one word. Truly seething.

>getting this worked by one plural noun

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There was a dwarf segment and Cass asked Vince if he could beat up the dwarf and he was specifically told not to beat the dwarf up because of the sponsors and it being PG and he did it anyway.

That's not really what Cena is talking about. Don't do that.

I think there's certain guys that do well with scripted lines and many more that really do not
Miz
Bliss
Owens
Elias
Joe
Bryan
all do pretty well with the garbage that they're given, and probably some others that I'm forgetting. Anyone that can't read what they're told is forced to give poorly recited promos until they aren't over anymore, and then they go "look! they didn't get over, too bad they didn't grab that brass ring". Most people aren't natural actors, but they can play themselves.

Lol! What?!

Imagine spending as much time on a message board as your fat ass does and you don't even discuss anything but parrot one liners?

>And you wonder why Michael Cole is known as the worst commentator ever. Nobody was calling him that shit during his 2000s
I was. You can't have a commentator who sucks at selling because he's a terrible voice actor and also can't think on his feet. All he can do is go to the well and use the same catch phrases over and over to the point where they are fucking meaningless.

He's over with the tarps. The echo his music and promos well.

Oh but it's okay to shoot at Ambrose about the whole Stone Cold podcast thing when Dean literally couldn't say anything about it without enraging the sponsors. Dean was professional about it and Cena is just a legit autist that's turned like every other AE boomer complaining about "younger talent nowadays"

Ya seethe lil guy

>use the same catch phrases over and over to the point where they are fucking meaningless.
Cole didn't really repeat any phrases back then, though
I don't even think he was doing the retarded "vintage" or "oh my" shit back then
He only really got insufferable after him and JR switched shows in 2008

I get where you're coming from but I listed Jim Neidhart for a reason. He was regarded as a below average promo for his era that I now see younger fans list as good if they revisit any old stuff.

>And if this generation is so bad at cutting promos anyways it's because they've never had that freedom previous generations did. It also doesn't help the majority of fans these days only view pro-wrestling through a very ironic and self-aware lens and that irony and self-awareness ends up being reflected back onto the wrestlers themselves.

Your latter point I agree with but there's still freedom previous generations had on the indies. Hell most of the guys I've seen hyped up were the guys who just put the effort in promo wise like Moxley, Punk, Owens, Bryan, etc. compared to what everyone thinks of when they hear indy wrestling.

I can't put it all on the writers when so many guys finally make it and it's obvious they didn't put the work in all facets of pro wrestling.

Ah yes the classic autism defense. These creatures are so mentally deficient they reside to just one board here on Yea Forums. They don't think for themselves but years of autistic evolution has given them the ability to recite the same dozen or so phrases. Truly remarkable.

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Based Big Match John
nxt fags on suicide watch

Doing flips and kicking out of 3 finishers every match will surely get me over

Cringe

See how it resorts to using one liner insults that have been parroted in this region for a millennia. Yes, aspies actually spend their time not talking about the subject this territory was founded on, but to obsess over who sucks the most black dick. Truly fascinating

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>Read it in his voice

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>sasha btfo

Bray Wyatt did that and yet still got buried by Cena and Carder.
what's the reasoning behind that then?

he's a shitter

How can anybody be this retarded?
No, seriously. Please tell me how you are so ignorant and dumb.

>two wrestlers have similar gimmicks so they must be the same person!!

You're a mental fucking midget. You must believe Mr. Wonderful and Mr. Perfect are the same guy! Haha! You fucking moron.

Leave prowrestling analysis to the adults.

He had multiple big matches at WM, and last time he met Cena tucked him and AJ into bed with one Sister Fagadail. He wasn't buried. Cena Bray Last Man Standing match was also based.

Cringe

Big talk from someone who was only over at the beginning of his career then universally hated after 2005.

Save the projection for your late night Ruthless Aggression basement showings. The only retard is you, especially if you think a dork with inflated muscles and a wigger gimmick could get over in the attitude era. He wasn't even over in his own era until he started LARPING as a fucking soldier and pandering to dying kids to never give up, after all the stars left to avoid the cringe.

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"Don't tell me your name, you won't be here long" -John Cena

Yeah, but it’s Daniel Bryan. Cena is basically telling the locker room to be as charismatic as Bryan, even when creative is letting you twist in the wind. Cena is asking too much of the wrestlers while letting creative off the hook.

WWE: You need to get over with the writing we give you
Also WWE: Shave your partner's back and rub his ass in the showers

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Based Attenon telling the fag to fuck off

>’ I’ve seen guys like Miz do it, guys like Seth do it, AJ when we were able to creatively bond for a while, and Bray.”
funny considering their all anti-dimes

Zack Ryder

The other thing also is Bryan is one of the best to ever do it. Nobody really compares to him, his only thing he is missing is few inches of height.
He has everything pro-wrestler wants to have.

>h-hey beastie boy...

Zack Ryder never fought being buried like most guys used to do who got themselves over. He's admitted it the past few years in numerous interviews that being in the WWE is his dream and he never wanted to rock that boat.

>attenborough
this dumbass shill lost his credibility long ago

Corporate excuses. Do you think Austin or Rock would have made it so big with getting zero good material every week.

>never fought being buried
aka lose your job AND be buried? see the revival or sasha, wwe/vince push who they want and nobody is exempt, reigns is proof of that

Didn't Cena literally bury Zack Ryder, a guy who got himself over without the writing room's help?

sounds like he's a little salty that he still gets boos and hecklers despite having upped his workrate tenfold and staying away from the world title picture.

MAGIC
BEANS

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>CENA MY RATINGS ARE TANKING, GO TELL THEM THE LOCKER ROOM IS FULL OF GEEKS

Cerfuffle

It's not the writers, it's Vince. He just doesn't see some people as anything but goofs and fodder, so he treats them like so. Just look at Harper. Dude tries so many ways to get his comeback going, and Vince just couldn't accept it because he didn't like his lack of a southern accent.

The writers, creative teams, and wrestlers are all at the mercy of a senile, out of touch 70 year old man.

That's actually not what he said. He said a good talent doesn't rely on the writers for good content... are you retarded?

Like EC3 and Dean Ambrose?

>I have never been handed a written piece of paper that I go ‘this is great’. It’s always ‘how do we turn this sh*t into something that makes sense.’ I’ve seen guys like Miz do it, guys like Seth do it, AJ when we were able to creatively bond for a while, and Bray.”

The fucking balding roiding freak fucking admits this fucking retards literally get paid to create garbage shit that wreslters have to turn into something good, whats the fucking point on having them on the show then? Someone explain this to me

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That bitch needs to get naked

>Guys like Kevin Owens or Dean Ambrose could cut great promos in the indie bingo halls
>Somehow when they got to WWE they cant cut anything worth giving a shit

Wow i wonder what is it, did they lose the ability to speak in a tragic accident?

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>EC3

Holy fucking shit this, the mutt looking freak was cutting fucking amazing promos in his bingo hall TNA but they wont give him a fucking mic ONCE in WWE, how the fuck do you defend this. Or Matt Morgan also cut amazing promos in OVW but he got a fucking STUTTERING gimmick in WWE, the writers and Vince are fucking cancer and the sooner someone fucking kills this garbage be it Cawdy, some gook in Nipland or my fucking dead Grandma with a new wrestling company the better

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>was cutting fucking amazing promos in his bingo hall TNA
No he fucking didn't you delusional smark, his promos were cringey and all over the place, and he hasn't improved in NXT either, the look is all he's got, the only way to get him over is to give him a manager that can talk, Alexa would be perfect

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>No he fucking didn't you delusional smark
Yes he did stop rewriting history, maybe not amazing stone cold or Macho man tier but for sure better than 99% of the wwmeme roster

>the only way to get him over is to give him a manager that can talk, Alexa would be perfect

>Give a manager to someone who can talk
>Still dont give one to Asuka or Shinsuke

Fucking

Cringe

Asuka has a manager, ya simp.

A slag that likes to be your third wheel isn't a manager

John Cena got a superhuman push and still couldn't get over. They literally had to work the mixed reactions into his character's story to try and make it appear that it wasn't just small children that liked him while the rest of the crowd just wanted him to fuck off.

>destroying
I think you meant ”exterminating" Corey.

>professional wrestling
>writers

Found the problem.

Its this. Its always blown my mind that so much of this board sees cena with such rose colored glasses; truly this is a way to spot people who either weren't there during his reign or were part of his target demographic. Yknow, 6.

>john cena
>clearly a talented guy but writers have nothing for him early in his run
>would have been fired if steph didnt wet her pussy watching cena work his future gimmick
>given a huge push
He is literal example of the fact that the shitty writers can lose top tier talent by having nothing for them or not recognizing talent

>the writing is great! I love this fed! *gun clicks*

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it's always easy for the GOATs to be a critic after they made it. let someone like a n rando mid carder/anyone from 205 Live/85% of the women/ say some shit like this mainstream and watch how fast they cut

>hell they paying people NOT to wrestle at this point cause they scared they going to AEW

they have tarps in game too?!?!?!?