WWE losing ratings is effecting AEW’s TV deal. From Daddy Dave himself

WWE could be doing this on purpose. It’s called being buried by proxy

fucking state of wrasslin

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>White w*men
Eww

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No. I think he believes he is providing the best entertainment possible and the fans are stupid for not loving it. He will never accept that it's all him

But seriously. They really might be trying to cool the industry off. It's not like they're doing things to try to get the ratings back up and it's backfiring miserably. They're just doing nothing. Same flat shit every week. It doesn't add up.

b-bu-but AEW is going to bring a new boom period of werestling why do they need WWE to be popular?

More sane than the retards who keep saying Vince is intentionally killing his moneymaker.

せえてぃんぐ しろ ろあsちえ。

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They already have fox trapped in the contract

Vince did the same thing in the 90s. He promoted sleazy television knowing full well that the Turner people wouldn't want to be associated with such tomfoolery.

>Vince tanking his own company just to make sure Cody fails

BASED.

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In the end the only company that matters is WWE. If they are failing nobody will touch wrestling

BASED WWE playing 4d chess with those simps

When a buisness is cold people pull out. Think if the video game crash of 83 the only company the throw its hat in after that was a company unaffected and naive of the crash. AEW is highly effected being a American company but Lucha and Japan will be unaffected besides tours in America

all that airbrush and photoshop
yikes

Sad part is your not wrong. Turner execs wanted WCW gone even when it made money

That could backfire horribly.

If they manage to get a LOT of buys for Double or Nothing (pretty unlikely), they could make a good pitch and still get a good deal. But looking at the landscape right now? Nobody in their right mind would take a chance on wrestling, it's more socially irrelevant than ever before.

I say fuck the TV deal and just do supercard shows for a while, if AEW is worth anything they'll attract attention and get a deal worth a shit. Taking an unpaid, cancel anytime ECW-style deal right now in this climate would kill them in no time.

The fire rises, the ratings plummet.

Is the WOR hurting for subscribers now that wrestling isn't mainstream?

But he's not. He knows they can survive. Every day people post about how AEW will kill WWE and lives rent free in Vince's head but now it's like you don't believe it.
If Vince actually believes they can be as big of a threat as WCW it completely makes sense that he'd take a controlled hit now to stop them launching at the level they need to instead of taking a worse hit they can't control down the line. I don't think it's something that should be ruled out. This man is making no effort at all to improve his show's ratings despite having always done so in the past, that's not normal.

thank you for your reply to what was clearly a sarcastic comment

WCW lost $67 million when Turner execs decided to cancel it, if it made $6 million then they would've kept it. Keep clutching at your Dixie Flags, Russo.

lmao there was a never a TV deal
nice damage control dave

Nope and you can thank wrestlers becoming marks for themselves. Guys like Orton and Sasha shitalk the observer after subbing and Flair has been a subscriber for 30+ years. Add the new brand of money marks and there you go

Flair is just too nice, he subscribes because of Meltzer's ass-kkissing, Flair respects his fans even if some of them are "special" like Dave Meltzer.

jesus, e drones are insane. the mental gymnastics they go through to defend a shitty product

Who’s defending it in this thread?

People have been shittalking the Observer for decades. Hogan did it live on PPV.

ones saying he's tanking it on purpose

white women are so useless they can't even use photoshop to save their ugly mugs

Looks just like the pic you're replying to

It was hard to sell add space even when it was profitable. Turner made more money in the same slot with half the ratings

Asian """""""women""""""" literally get surgery to look white

Vince's shizo paranoiac nightmare timeline
>wwe tries to get the ratings up with middling results
>industry contains to be perceived as healthy relative to where it was before
>AEW get a good tv deal with a nice timeslot on a reputable channel
>put out a much better product just as NJPW have but now with vastly more exposure
>WWE haemorrhages fans over the years
>AEW moves to monday, Vince doesn't luck into having two generational draws at the same time and loses like he would have the first time around

Vince's Alzheimer's fueled final solution
>do nothing and let the ratings slide, fox have already committed billions
>perception of industry health plummets
>AEW only able to get a shitty TV deal as a result or none at all
>lack the exposure to make an impact and become perceived as another TNA or ROH
>Vince and WWE shuffle on as the only game in town

So a premise built entirely on the fact that its a shitty product is somehow defending it being a shitty product? Lol, console wars are rotting your brains.

2 things

>Vince is just playing 6d chess by tanking his company on purpose
>Dave backtracking his statement because AEW never had a tv deal in the first place

I think they just never had a deal. Vince is insane but not that insane

I'm convinced this is what's actually happening

A good salesman could pitch this as proof that the market is prime for a new player to come along. A better salesman would also point out that there are currently several wrestling companies on TV that are not losing viewers. Case in point: in just under a year, MLW has gone from reborn upstart to hosting several live TV events along with their regular hourly show. They also just expanded their TV presence into the UK and Ireland. And then there's NJPW gaining ground in the USA as well.

If AEW can cite their metrics from All In, both press conferences, BTE, Road to DoN, and other social media, then they could make a cogent argument that have a growing fanbase that is ready to see a new program on TV. This is all a matter of how persuasive can they be, given that they have multiple data points and the WWE TV performance is only one data point.

But what the fuck do I know. I'm just an asshole that likes to watch wrasslin.

>And then there's NJPW gaining ground in the USA as well.

kek

the problem with AEW is it started high. It’s first show was All In the biggest draw in the states by a non WWE promotion since the death of WCW. Instead of being the new WCW there the new ECW. To big to be small too small to be big

IT WAS ME CRUSTIN

>I say fuck the TV deal and just do supercard shows for a while, if AEW is worth anything they'll attract attention and get a deal worth a shit.

Nah. If MLW can figure out how to make TV work, then so could AEW. It seems that Khan wants to go big out of the gate, but if the Turner deal isn't there, they could scale down for a 6 months and run on a cable channel. It wouldn't be that hard to get a following using streaming services to supplement TV.

The fact they didn't announce the All In PPV buys tells me it was a figure that shatters the illusion somewhat and I don't know how much 10k people flying in for live events every few months helps them get a tv deal. As far as social media goes the BTE views have dropped into the 200k range and no Road to DON episode has broken 350k
We talk about what they can and will do in our little wrestling bubble but widen your horizons just a little and you realize very quickly these aren't eye popping numbers at all. They've never even put out a video that went viral enough to break a million views or even come close.
TV is gonna see WWE ratings going off a cliff, see AEW's stuff not really breaking out online and be persuaded into throwing a prime TV deal their way? i just don't see how that's going to happen

ITT: AEWtists start panicking because they can't survive without leeching off WWE

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Should have gone with Hulu...
TV is dead.

You hit the nail right on the head.

Despite Meltzer best attempt to hype AEW and sell it as an amazing acquisition for any TV network, it's not.
>The All In pre show on AXS TV did 200k
Total Bellas, Total Divas, The Miz and Mrs, NXT and Tribute to the troops did more than double or triple that number.
>Cite the number of 10k sell out events.
Why the fuck would a TV network care about how many tickets a wrestling promotion is selling? when there is little correlation that it will translate to people watching it live on TV every week.
>Cite their youtube numbers.
I have yet to see any TV networks give Pewdiepie a $100k an episode talkshow because of his youtube numbers but they will give AEW the best paying TV deal outside of WWE because of it.

tldr
>C'mon Bruh

>The fact they didn't announce the All In PPV buys tells me it was a figure that shatters the illusion somewhat

That's kind of silly. For all we know, they had 1M buys for All In. No matter what the number was unless it topped all WWE PPV buys, announcing the numbers publicly would get spun by E-drones as paltry. So it's equally plausible that they had a healthy buy rate but are keeping it close to the vest to avoid giving the competition something concrete to knock them with.

The truth is, to be seen as successful, their TV ratings only need to be healthy as compared to what else is on during their time slot. AEW doesn't need to hit 2M viewers on their first show, they just need to outdraw whatever they are displacing and then gain ground from there.

looks like an actual woman instead of a negro breeding station (aka white girl)

The All In preshow was on WGN. What the fuck are you talking about?

>First three words are "I don't know"
Typical Meltz.

>No matter what the number was unless it topped all WWE PPV buys, announcing the numbers publicly would get spun by E-drones as paltry.
What kind of mental gymnastics is this? They made a huge deal out of selling 10k tickets for their PPV when WWE goes over this pretty much every PPV. Why would the spin logic not apply here?
They don't need ticket sales that top WWE's to market their entire show around it selling 10k, but supposedly need buys that top WWE's to announce them? That makes no sense man. If the buys were whatever their target was, they would have announced it and marketed the hell out of it like they do for everything else. It's not normal to keep the buys secret and there's only one reason they would.

sorry, it was at WGN, and guess what they paid WGN to show the pre show.

>That's kind of silly. For all we know, they had 1M buys for All In.
Meltzer tried to say All In was hypothetically selling 50K tickets because of their pre sale demand despite the venue capacity was 12k. The same dude that nitpick about the number of Bruno Sammartino's MSG sell out the day that he did, and the same dude who argued about WM real attendance with egg accounts on Twitter. You think this dude isn't going to sell how big of a deal it is for All in to have the same PPVs buy as WWE's? And here's the kicker, WWE's PPVs buys every month according to their quarterly report is around 20k buys. That means All In didn't come anywhere near that.

>>Cite the number of 10k sell out events.
>Why the fuck would a TV network care about how many tickets a wrestling promotion is selling?

The number of people who were in the waiting room for DoN tickets is a real measure of interest. There were nearly 100k people trying to buy seats for a 14k seat show. Hence, there are people interested in AEW's product, and that was before they even announced the card.

>If the buys were whatever their target was, they would have announced it and marketed the hell out of it like they do for everything else. It's not normal to keep the buys secret and there's only one reason they would.

This is pure nonsense. Firstable, the fact that All In was in a smaller venue than a typical WWE PPV was ABSOLUTELY used against them by everyone that wanted to shit on Cody & the Bucks.

Secondly, there are a ton of reasons to keep the PPV buys secret, the top reason being they are not a publicly held company. WWE has shareholders to think about, and that's the ONLY reason why they announce their PPV numbers.

In fact, the only reason any non-WWE company would announce their PPV performance would be to show they are doing business at an equal or greater level. Otherwise you open yourself up to Vince saying "that's nothing" and calling you a pissant. Oh wait...

Everyone worrying about TV ratings. Fox is a bigger audience with more money to advertise. Just wait till you see SD pulling 6 after launch. USA is a garbage network.

>WWE's PPVs buys every month according to their quarterly report is around 20k buys.

It's not an apples to apples comparison though. WWE has their own distribution network now. You're really stretching logic here

At best that meant they have an audience of 100k, does that mean a TV network is going to give them a 2 hour prime time slot on a week day and pay them more money than WCW or TNA on Spike? A company with no track record of running a weekly live 2 hour TV? Over a company that do have the track record like Impact?

Despite Meltzer's best effort to correlate that TV networks are willing to pay WWE lots of money that means there is a demand for wrestling, is blatant propaganda bullshit. There is a demand for WWE, not wrestling, WWE has a 20+ year track record, TV network knows what they are getting in terms of viewership and ad rates, AEW doesn't. Impact, RoH and MLW even the UFC doesn't have that track record. That's why WWE is on FOX while the UFC is streaming on ESPN plus and Impact is streaming on Twitch.

They literally need to list everything they have on their resume in order to attract big money TV deals. They can't just say it's a surprise how many PPVs buys they had for All In. It's not about competing with WWE stupid, it's about how to get TV networks to pay money for them above RoH, Impact and MLW when they have never run a weekly episodic TV show.

You missed my point. If All in did better numbers than WWE's PPVs buy even when they migrated mostly to the network, Meltzer will still tout it as an achievement. It probably didn't do better than an RoH or Impact PPVs.

I didn't need a blog spammer to tell me that some two bit piece of garbage promotion is losing investors because they see the biggest and most dominant wrestling company isn't doing as well as it should be.

All this means is Ronda needs to return to action

COPE

Smackdown on Fox will have a huge launch but if it's not good it's going to lose those viewers just as fast as it gained them.

Hell, even if it's good I don't think that there is that kind of an audience for wrestling. The stigma surrounding it is too toxic.

Lmao Meltzer setting the narrative for their failed TV deal already

E Drones are the kings of cope posting

Finalization lmao. The rumours are that the tv execs want to see if advertisers have any interest in buying ad slots on the potential aew TV show. Doesn't seem anywhere close to being finalized. This is similar to what tna had to deal with and it'll only be worse now

>E Drones are the kings of cope posting

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>toxic

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New Japan had to drop prices for the show in Dallas because no one was buying tickets.

Embarrassing, especially considering that you have a huge Latin American market in the area AND you're bringing your top guys because it's a real G1 tournament show.

but AEW already signed the TV contract

OR IT WAS ANOTHER LIE?

Nobody, not even Dave, has claimed AEW's signed any contract yet. You'd fucking know if they did, there would be endless shitposts on here about it.

people here told me the announcement was imminent (like a moth ago)