Lance Storm on Asuka losing to Charlotte:

based and redpilled

Nothing he said was edgy. Asuka’s reign was a flop. This is fact. Charlotte is a bigger star and will do better things for the belt. This is also fact.

>I was bumped from Wrestlemania when I was a tag team champion for the Miller Beer Girls

But you didn't lose your title to them a week before WM did you?

And she is still wrestling at WM so his point makes no sense

They kept her off TV for a whole month after she tapped out the most over wrestler in the company.

Asuka being a flop is entirely WWEs fault.

X-Pac, Rip Rogers, Lance Storm, Al Snow, all these never-beens spent their entire career amounting to absolutely nothing because they drank Vince's kool-aid and asked for more, now they try to pass on their "wisdom" as if anybody in their right mind would want to end up like them. Listen to what The Rock and Stone Cold have to say, not the guy who peaked as Chris Jericho's Jannetty.

Sounds like nothing but cope. Sorry Lance.

>Charlotte is a bigger star

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>nobody deserves anything

>fans don’t understand how hard Roman works. He deserves his spot.
>fans don’t understand how hard Cena works. He deserves his spot.
>fans don’t understand how hard Charlotte works. He deserves his spot.

xpac is a millionaire hall of famer who got to go out drinking with michaels and nash every night and fucked chyna in the ass, and you are nobody

Rock and Stone Cold would say the same thing he is saying here.

Literally you.

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Yeah. You always have to think about these things from a historical personal perspective.

Lance was around Ric Flair for years in WCW and WWE. They may not be close friends, but there's camaraderie there. Additionally, it's possible a young Charlotte was hanging around backstage from time to time and Lance feels sentimental seeing that teenage girl go out into the world of wrestling now and wants to white knight for her.

Yes. She outpops her on a regular basis and has far more of a social media presence.

Yeah, you could probably say the same thing about Nickelback. Chad Kroeger may be a class-act behind the scenes, but that doesn't matter because the music fucking sucks.

They kept her off tv because there’s nothing you can do with someone who has zero promo ability. Asuka's laziness finally caught up to her.

>there’s nothing you can do with someone who has zero promo ability

Brock Lesnar is currently world champion.

Lance helped train a lot of the waman, they call him for advice and shit. He's close with both Becky and Charlotte.

And he shows up a handful of times per year. Without his UFC fame he would be nothing but another failed big guy

CTE! CTE! CTE!

meltzer & storm have always been the foremost charlotte white knights

cringe

charlotte flopped far harder as a face for months and it didnt stop them from keeping the title on her and stalling it out for months until a sasha feud, and then stalling again until she dropped to bayley

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Hey Sean, how's the meth habit going?

Um she is..

Name anything memorable Charles has ever done in any of her title reigns

>asukafags still FUMING
This is was the right decision, deal with it. Until fatgook learns how to form a basic sentence in english, she should remain as enhancement talent. Same for nakamura and the other two gooks in nxt

Made asuka tap at WM and broke her streak

Nakamura can speak ok English now

I don't know if i know more about the business now than ever, but I know what I like and what I dislike, and that decisione was fucking bullshit

>xpac is a millionaire
Who says there are no more marks.

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why are simps defending a title being treated like shit

They're literally carnies.

It’s being saved by CharGOAT

That decision was good. Asuka was a horrible champ who couldn't get on tv on some weeks

Wrestlers hate the fact that their careers live or die based on fan reaction and are notoriously thin skinned pinheads.

>The latest episode of my favorite TV show/comic/movie series ended with a plot point that deepened my emotional investment in the story. Reeee this is bullshit, the writers have no fucking idea what they’re doing.

Why are wrestling fans so cancerous?

>No other entertainment medium does this.

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8 title reigns and she's had 1 memorable moment. A moment that was remembered because fans wanted the other person to win

Lol what
>people are mad that Charles got shoehorned into a match they wanted to see
>then Charles randomly beats Asuka on a Smackdown clean
I mean this whole thing is fucking retarded all because Charlotte is having fits like her dad.

But Asuka did draw. Idiots are gonna respond to this post saying otherwise but he was always in the dark match of SmackDown and people stayed to see her and people cheered when she entered as seen in the cellphone Twitter videos and people bought her merchandise which is why WWE kept putting out more.

Lance got one thing right, it's not about fake titles. No one gives a shit about those. People isn't asking for Asuka to have that fake piece of plastic, they want her to have a worthy oponent with whom she can put on an amazing classic match where the public will be invested in the middle of the card. Is that hard?

>gotta protect the business
>can't burn the bridge with Vince
>justifying it makes them feel better about being ignored back in the day
That last one the most because it's mostly midcarders and jobbers that do this.

Asuka is second most over woman on smackdown with broken english and jap growling

Because let's say a movie studio acts like WWE with the way it treats its directors. One can piss off to another studio. Can't do that in wrestling, everyone's gotta kneel and kiss the ass eventually.

He should have empathy for Asuka. His match got bumped off Mania for the Miller Lite Girls

Not what you asked for. Stop moving goalposts

She's not. Both Charlotte and Becky are more over

People do understand how WWE/Vince operates though. They are only dumb if they keeping watching or (especially) giving money to a dogshit show.

>Charlotte
>Over
Pick one

Dude even fucking Meltzer said Charlotte doesn’t move the needle, and Meltzer literally never says anything bad about Charlotte.

What's up with the tranny fetish?

Charlotte was booed out of the building in yesterday house show. And most likely same happened today.

i hope you guys know that shartlotte is unifying the straps come WM.
she beat asuka to prepare to defeat ronda.
becky couldn't even beat asuka.
becky will tap clean and ronda won't get shit and fuck off.

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Because she is working Becky, how bad do you have to cope?

Cope what? The topic is she isn't over you paranoid fucker.

Both. This shithole is the only place on the internet still living in 2016. Charlotte gets good reactions on a regular basis now

She's a heel and facing Becky. Boos are good. She always gets cheered over Asuka at house shows and it's usually not even close.

Paige made fun of Charlotte's dead brother and 2 weeks later fans were booing Charlotte and cheering for Paige. 3 years later, Vince is still pushing Charlotte and people still don't give a fuck about her.

Bitch has more title wins than merch items on wwe's website. She doesn't move merch, she doesn't sell tickets, she doesn't draw viewers in and people were sick of her 3 years ago. If she wasn't a Flair, we would have never seen her appear in NXT, let alone the main roster. Charles is an abject failure, but she has the right dad and because of that, is permanently in the title scene no matter how fans react to her

she isn't anyone going against Becky will get booed out of the building, just look at Ronda, the crowd was cheering her in the beginning but when it was obvious she is going against Becky, the crowd started booing her out of the building. Charlotte only gets a few woos when she appear and get tepid reaction when she beat Asuka for the title

Asuka wasn't booed

There was a collective groan from the crowd when she won on Tuesday

She was never booed before last Tuesday. Not even against Becky. See Fast Lane.

Get your ears checked

This. Charles could get breast cancer and WWE would try to milk that for sympathy, but she would be booed .

Because the crowd is not as retarded as you and knew that Becky losing to Asuka meant she is winning the Rumble. Find a better way to cope ffs

Yep and then weeks later they put Ric with Charles and turned her heel because she was so awful as a face. I remember that shit

Based Asuka dominating every single wrestling forum, twitter, and news site over the rest of the gals who are supposedly the "main event"

Life finds a way

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Not gonna lie, I know she won't win, but I kind of want Charles to win at mania so we can see how triggered she gets by the post mania crowd giving her the Reigns treatment from 2 years ago

She was

No, it was very clearly enthusiastic cheering.

Hi Charles!

She'll never be nothing more than a transitional champ and someone to put over the blondes. Hence why she lost to Charles, mandy and Mella when she was blonde

Yet here we are talking about her more than anyone else heading into Wrestlemania

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Charles is the only TRANS champion in the WWE.

Ok? Yea Forums is a very small wrestling board on a guam bean cake making site

Is this a case of marks liking Charlotte and smarks hating her? Is that why WWE is behind her much more than internet fans?

Check the catalog, there's only 2 asuka threads

Not just here, been the most popular topic on every wrestling site

Both like her

Cronge

Go back

He actually wrestled there but in Sunday Night Heat, it was him and Val Venis vs RVD and Kane

I want to be a naive zoomer

>it's her fault, not the bookers'

>No other entertainment medium does this.
You're an absolute mong lad.

>Why the fuck is there so much gatekeeping
There is though.
I've followed football (soccer) since I was 3 years old and the winners are almost always where the money is.

The difference is that there's a consensus on Nickelback music being shit, but there's none on Reigns, Cena, Charlotte or most people pushed by the WWE, the only ones complaining about them are obese smarks online who consider people like Sami Zayn or Finn Balor are the biggest stars in the company.

Only because they're the guys going to the main event and expect you to fall in line. When Stone Cold didn't get what he wanted he walked. Rock has Hollywood and knows he can take his ball and play eslewhere. Only slave antidraws should think like Lance.

this. it's pathetic.

They may in fact "suck" but they sell, and them sticking around is based upon people continually buying their shit.

imagine thinking theres no gatekeeping in video games

Crow LOVED Charles winning

One of the problem is the finish. They want Charlotte go as heel but she win the match with clean way like strong babyface, no cheap roll up or Charlotte slam Asuka leg part to ring post or hit it with steel chair while ref passed out.

>This business (read: the WWE) is run by dum-dums who don't really care about putting on good wrestling matches and shit on their employees in a misguided pursuit of dimes that rarely materialize
>This means you marks should stop complaining about how poorly run the business is

What even is this argument?

That's not really what he meant. He was referring to how people in wrestling treat the fans, usually by condescendingly stating that fans "just don't understand the business" when they criticize poor creative decisions.

Get a job son. You'll soon realise it goes on literally every single organisation on the planet.

The main reason late millennials don't understand the politics of the class system is because they've never experienced a work environment.

Charlotte isn’t a heel who cheats. Hasn’t been in years. Not everybody needs to be a chickenshit.

kek Flabfags just keep getting BTFO

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this

The discussion was never about us pretending to know more about the business than the people inside or us thinking anyone deserving anything.

It's all about WWE mishandling Asukas title reign by not featuring her and not even trying while she is one of the best workers in the whole company with great charisma and marketability. There was even indication that WWE is not willing to follow up on Asukas title loss on the same show by having her join the geek squad cheering on Kofi and having her backstage interview after the match cut and moved to Twitter. We are constantly subjected to bad WWE Television while the company is only focusing on like 3-4 people even though they have a gazillion writers, agents, etc backstage.

We want to be entertained, not getting non sensical last minute decisions that are never in any way followed up, but I get that Lance and bryan need to stir the pot and move the discussion in a direction that makes their listeners keep listening by making them outraged instead of discussing the issues at hand.

>They kept her off tv because there’s nothing you can do with someone who has zero promo ability
THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST ANNOYING GODDAMN MEMES IN WWE RIGHT NOW
JESUS MOTHERFUCKING CHRIST......NOT EVERY STAR WRESTLER NEEDS TO FUCKING TALK
THEY DID THIS SAME SHIT TO GOLDBERG DURING HIS LAST RUN, HAD HIM DOING ALL KIND OF PROMOS WHEN HE WAS A MOSTLY-SILENT BEAST IN HIS PRIME
THEY RUINED A GREAT MERCH-SELLER IN BAYLEY BY HAVING HER DROP PROMOS WHEN IT WAS CLEAR SHE WAS SHIT ON THE MIC
STOP WITH THIS FUCKING SHIT, FOR THE LOVE OF FUCKING GOD

You just nailed the main issue with WWE's or Vince's bookings. He focused on a few main characters and he doesn't give a fuck about the rest. Even title holders can be a non essential character like Asuka and Nakamura and Rusev when they were US champ. They are literally props to get Charles and Rtruth feat. Mella over. Just like the Revival are title holders just to get Black and Ricochet over.

Did these guys still at least get a Wrestlemania payday if they went on at Heat? I mean they did perform at the event, technically.

WWE must have a lot of faith in their hardcore fanbase then.

In no other medium be it tv series, movies, etc are viewers going to stick around, if their favourite characters and new ones, that are brought up, get shit on constantly. You must have a very good series with great storytelling, settings and so forth to keep viewers around, if you operate like that. Characters are strong hooks because people identify with them and not a brand, buzzwords or something else.

I don't know where WWE gets that confidence though, because almost 40k people quit the network because of saudi Arabia, their house shows are not strong, TV ratings are down 25% per year, the network is not doing great, but I guess 500 million from Saudia Arabia for the next 10 years and 2.5 bil for the next few years in the new TV deals outweighs that. I don't understand why the TV Product and characters have to be sacrificed for that, but Vince seems to be getting a dopamine rush doing that.

>this business isn't about who deserves what or not
Real cheeky coming from people tbat desperately want exotic monkey man to get the title at Mani because muh 11 years i's deserve dis Vince gibs me title

dx merch money.

Wrestlemania also wasn't 8 hours long back then

based and redpilled
I'm sick and tired of people arguing what's good or bad for business. I don't give a damn. I'm expressing my opinion as a viewer on what I like and dislike. On what I think is good story-telling and what I think it isn't. I'm sure The Walking Dead is doing good business by going on for 9 seasons of nothing, but you don't see people going "This is how the business works, so you don't have any right to criticize it". Fuck outta here.

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There's no one that would get cancer and fans wouldn't feel sympathy for.

To be fair, I'm pretty sure Becky Lynch was also one of the people cheering for Kofi. As well as Aleister fucking Black, which looked really odd.

Just accept that she will never become a killer clown heel and you should pray they never turn her into an evil foreigner because then she'll kill the crowd support just like with what happened with Nakamura.

Just accept that her ceiling is being the female Finn Balor where she can be moved into a main event spot if needed and she can be trusted to be a good hand in the ring but she'll never be anything more than a smiling babyface designed to put over heels.

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Based /pol/tard coming in with a jab over a completely meaningless and unrelated matter to try to get his shit memes over.

Bruh this weeb in tears

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Based retard

state of flabfags

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>call someone based
>end up being a triggered little bitch by the end of the post
that's not how "based _____" posting works s󠀀oy󠀀boy

One of WCW's best and most over gimmicks was a guy with face paint who stayed completely silent for over a year

BASED

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what are you even talking about? Gatekeeping and "paying your dues" has been an epidemic in entertainment professions for literally ever

what do you think the movie business is?

why is she so fucking FAT?

Asuka doesn't have a fraction of his charisma or presence

I miss Lance posting. When's the next wrestler gonna croak?

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>The business was never about deserving anything
>"Stop booing Roman. He works hard and he deserves his spot!"
>"Stop booing Cena. He works hard and he deserves his spot!"
>"Guys stop booing Charlotte. She deserves her spot!"
Yeah ok

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...

One of my friends went to OVW’s school, and Rip legitimately works night shift at 7/11.

other way around

Charles. They know she is a revolving door with surgeries. Maybe Steph too.

Fucking smarks and their obsession with japanese. No casual fans care. Asuka is nothing special.

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>In no other medium be it tv series, movies, etc are viewers going to stick around, if their favourite characters and new ones
truf

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WWE will never change the status quo of doing things, if they aren't forced to do so.

It's a sad state of affairs, but that's the reality.

>Asuka’s reign was a flop. This is fact. Charlotte is a bigger star
What exactly is the criteria you use to prove this?

bingo

This

Crowd reactions

based🍤

The Observer and Observer adjacent crew is really all hands on deck to defend Ric Flair's kid. Him being le meltz only source seems more true every day.

Your brainwashed e-drone gimmick on a weeb board is cute.

Huh? Only a weeb would think Asuka is a star even within the increasingly niche pro wrestling bubble. She has flopped and crowds don't care.

only brainwashed e-drones still like Fatsuka🍶

WWE has the grapefruits to do what they want because somehow they managed to heat up someone who has been a perennial midcarder for 11 years challenging for the title into the hottest angle at WM and someone who has been spinning her wheels for 1.5 years and was the 10th entrants of a multi woman battle royal into a WM main eventer. They can even make Jinder Mahal, a jobber since day one ish into a WWE World champion.

WWE don't give a fuck. Money Money Money

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Defends WWE. Boy, he must really want to work there again.

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cringe

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Aren't heels supposed to get booed?

>In no other medium be it tv series, movies, etc are viewers going to stick around, if their favourite characters and new ones, that are brought up, get shit on constantly
He hasn't seen a single movie Marvel movie or nuStar Wars

He's not wrong but it doesn't excuse from the wwe being too shit to get over asuka in this situation...they barely fucking used her and made her look like a dumbfuck losing to a slightly better eva marie and they wonder why the crowd softened towards her? She's the easiest person to get over, feed her jobbers, have her murder them in a couple seconds, bring back the "asuka's gonna kill you" chant, eventually have better females come and challenge her, and put on competitive matches until they found her a good person to have a storyline with...instead they overbooked the becky shit until was nonsensical and fucked asuka over completely...wwe fans think they know better and are wrong most of the time, but don't excuse the wwe when they fuck over someone when it was clearly their own fault

when did lance storm become such a tool?

Tell that to Becky. After all, she was supposed to be the heel when all this shit started.