>Valve Corp. must face antitrust litigation over claims that “most favored nation” policies for its Steam distribution platform have driven up video game prices across the industry, a federal judge in Seattle ruled. >The company “allegedly enforces this regime through a combination of written and unwritten rules” imposing its own conditions on how even “non-Steam-enabled games are sold and priced,” Coughenour wrote. “These allegations are sufficient to plausibly allege unlawful conduct.” >The case is Wolfire Games LLC v. Valve Corp., W.D. Wash., No. 21-cv-563, 5/6/22.
steambros I don't feel so good, this might be the end...
>Wolfire Games Why the fuck would a relatively unknown indie studio who've made, quite frankly, unimpressive niche games for a small cult following sue against Valve?
Sebastian Barnes
Will steam face a fine for this or is there more to it?
Leo Hall
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Brayden Richardson
>Wolfire Games LLC again?
Gabriel Morales
Furrydev mad at steam because game fail
Anyway this just means it has to actually go to court. Where they have to actually present evidence.
Elijah Price
Probably someone else bankrolling the fees to engage in proxied legal harassment. Like microsoft through corsair with the Steam Controller lawsuit nonsense.
Carter Lopez
The dude is being paid by Epic to sue Valve. He's currently using that same corporate law firm Epic used against Apple, that firm is megamoney tier and well outside the financial range for this half failed indie dev, so guess who's funding it.
Jaxon White
>Probably someone else bankrolling the fees to engage in proxied legal harassment. It's the same law firm Epic used against Apple, so the math isn't hard to do here
Christopher Fisher
What a fucking loser, I wish nothing but the worst for them.
Xavier Nelson
>because game fail He's mad because Valve won't let them charge less money for Steam keys on their own store to bypass giving Valve 30%.
Brayden Cooper
Epic Games is allegedly backing them.
Andrew Perez
>Where they have to actually present evidence. Bro did you read this ruling? The judge was boomer moron who literally doesn't understand anything about digital distribution and the odds they get another one as clueless as him for the primary case is pretty high
Nathan Gonzalez
So what I'm getting is, Valve probably tried to get the case kicked out on paper but the application was declined and now they need to go to court?
I'd be surprised if this actually goes anywhere, since Steam has constant discounts and is cheaper for certain countries than console games even at full price. I'm in New Zealand and a console game is $110 while Steam is $90
Nolan Cook
lmaoing at all the /r/pcmasterrace kids who actually defend a fucking corporation like it's their friend.
Zachary Sullivan
>Failed indie dev >Files lawsuit right before Epic does >Uses the same hyper expensive law firm >Files appeal on the first court round the week Epic failed its claims against Apple BIG THINK
Gabriel Cook
Not always. I live in NZ and can honestly say console and PC games are usually the same price
Mason Smith
Why are chinks like this?
Tyler Brooks
>Wolfire Games They suck so hard at making games that they sue for a living
You weren't there before Steam. It was fucking awful. Broken/scratched CD's everywhere. Thank god for piracy.
Also all companies always go to shit in the end. Steam certainly hasn't gone anywhere near as far as shitholes like google. Apple were never good.
Christian Ortiz
>I'd be surprised if this actually goes anywhere, since Steam has constant discounts and is cheaper for certain countries than console games even at full price. I'm in New Zealand and a console game is $110 while Steam is $90 Basically the reason he's suing is because of the Valve equal pricing rule.
He wants to be able to sell his games on his own site for a smaller price that is available on Steam, bypassing Valves cut (it's 0% on key sales) but still using Steam to distribute the game, host its steamworks features, etc
Charles Taylor
+1 Starforce rootkit bricked DVD drive has been deposited into your account
Kayden James
.....so Epic 2.0? Why does this keep happening?
Isaac Thomas
>Yes your honor, the reason my critically acclaimed Anal Awoo Adventure 2: Revenge of Hepatitis C didn’t sell successfully is because I couldn’t sell it for 10% cheaper on my own website even after agreeing to Valve’s TOS.
John Jones
Realistically, why doesn't Valve send a hitman to their HQ? It's not that far away, San Francisco Bay, California. What's stopping them?
Jayden Morris
>can't compete with competitor >run to daddy xi
actually 100% pathetic.
Luke Ross
>Starforce
That shit sucked so many dicks. Why do people think it was pure CD/DVD with a key then just Steam without the nightmare that was Starforce and every company trying their own version of online activation that usually ended up fucking you over while pirates enjoyed games without all that bullshit.
Robert Long
Its Seattle user, the judge is probably a fury themselves
Lincoln Garcia
So it's like...
>rent out store space in a mall >shop fails >refuse to pay rent to the landlord >claim the landlord's evil rent practice is a monopoly over all other stores in the mall >if no one had to pay rent my prices could be cheaper and more people would jave bought my products >forget the fact I'm still using the mall's land, electricity, and other facilities. I shouldn't have to pay rent >rent is surely the only reason why my store failed
Colton Phillips
>Wolfire had to amend their lawsuit twice because it was complete shit >As of this third time there's no more attempts allowed at going back to the drawing board if their lawsuit is seen as garbage >Came into existence only because Valve wouldn't let Wolfire generate Steam keys for free to sell on their store, but not sell anything through Steam itself This garbage is going to fall apart in discovery
Luis Sanchez
Steam literally saved my country from perma pirating everything.
Ayden Ortiz
>Your honor, I motion for this case to be dismissed on the grounds that you, also, yiff in hell and are thus biased in your ability to render judgement
Landon Smith
Because steam has basically made it totally nonviable for companies to get up to that kind of shit these days. Worst you got is shitware like anticheat and Denuvo but those are harmless bloat and don't actively attack your hardware aside from the extra chinky chinkware riot cooked up
Jayden Thompson
Denuvo and other similar software would still exist even if companies required their own launchers. Shit still exists on epic, GoG, Origin, etc.
Kevin Brooks
So there's zero chance they win this lawsuit.
Anthony Thompson
It's strange how some publishers and developers just expect Valve to just give away their bandwidth, Steam API and services for free.
Jace Reyes
Again, yes. The point is that borderline criminally malicious drm can't really be done anymore since it just means people will avoid your shit like the plague or you can only sell to shills and the chinese.
Liam Martinez
They also had a history of grudge against Valve over the years. Everytime there's a news article disparaging Steam when it comes to their Indie games curation, people at Wolfire is always there.
Hunter Harris
>Denuvo on GoG Que?
Nicholas Rivera
Hitman had it but I think it got delisted.
Xavier Rodriguez
It's a legitimate case of the classic favorite word of the boomer, entitlement
Lucas Ramirez
>Wolfire based autistic overgrowth devchads
Kayden Taylor
how is that a good thing?
Matthew Nelson
stops pc development from being ignored entirely when there are people actually paying for the games. pc getting decent ports the last decade is entirely due to steam.
Christopher Hernandez
classic sweeney. instead of just competing and making a better service they start bankrolling court cases.
Jace Lewis
Steamcucks BTFO eternally
Austin Wood
youtube.com/watch?v=rerpp2pbizI Hoeg covered it The most hilarious thing is that they tried claiming that the Steam store was different to the Steam launcher but even the judge threw that out lmao
Jackson Gonzalez
Really? Valve gets the shaft over antitrust issues, but Epic is free to just fuck over anybody who uses Unreal Engine....
Austin Taylor
I can't even rule out shit like this as a possibility anymore.
David Powell
> have driven up video game prices across the industry what in the fuck, steam regional price is the reason the 3rd world don't pirate anymore
Dominic Campbell
According to what source?
Jonathan Jenkins
I don't remember the exact source, but it was linked on this board a while ago back when this lawsuit had just been filed for the first time. If I remember correctly, it basically boiled down to what said.
Angel Allen
i don't trust those that consort with beasts
Isaiah Harris
I'm going to assume you or that other guy have absolutely no idea of what you're talking about because Epic was represented by a completely different law firm. You're both talking out of your asses.
Basically, what this user is saying is: >Never trust a dog raping furfag
Daniel Young
what a bunch of faggots i hope they lose hard
Dominic Powell
I genuinely don't understand how Wolffire think they have a case. If they were saying that Valve was stopping them from selling their game on their own website for cheaper while also providing the downloads themselves I'd see their point, but they wanted to undercut steam while selling fucking steam keys
Benjamin Turner
Pretty sure tons of ppl do this Isn't that how legit keysites like gmg are able to have 20% off preorder prices often?
Lucas Howard
roll but also sage
Ethan Jenkins
I don't know the details but basically third party stores can do discounts and shit as long as the game is normally at the same price as it is on the steam store. So you can't for example put a game up on gmg or humble and just have it permanently be 20% discounted
Justin Russell
I hope he who consorts with beasts leaves steam's asshole gaping over this case that would be funny as fuck and long overdue for steam and that fat fuck gay ben
Kevin Rivera
Kek
Logan Jones
Because they used to operate Humble Bundle
Josiah Bell
God this is fucking stupid. I hope steam sue back for “wasting our fucking time” so wolffire don’t try this shit again.
Jordan Reed
good morning sirs
Colton Reed
Tim Tim are you okay? Are you okay Tim? Are you okay?