Who are the Top 8 strongest trainers in pokemon games?

Why was Gen 2 so fucking perfect? It had all the polish of later gens and all the soul of Gen 1. Even the Johto anime is considered the best for some reason (I never saw it so I don't know why that is)

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>the only non frontier brain to own a legendary
>turned down the champion spot
>is able to battle with any pokemon thanks to being able to communicate with them
N is unironically one of the strongest

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the anime opening was a fucking banger

youtube.com/watch?v=dWgG3bnVUS0

All those fuckers in the Battle Facilities with quick claw Walreins with sheer cold are unbeatable

Tobias is not a real character.

Then why is Lance there?

He lost to Cynthia

So is Ash, Alain, Cynthia, Lance, Pikachu ...
They are fiction, not actually people

He jobbed to CHADbert.

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He’s a Pokémon he doesn’t count

fpbp
Came here to seriously say this

Because he has money, connections and he isn't a nigger like Tobias.

>Hilbert
>Zekrom
Why did they give Reshiram in black and Zekrom in white?

The difference between them and Tobias is that Tobias only existed to be a roadblock for Sinnoh Ash.

Red, Blue and Cynthia are undisputably three of the strongest trainers in the games.

>Red, Blue
Massive jobbers.

So wait, the people who won the leagues in the anime don’t become the champion? Are you saying all the winners we saw in the anime lost to the champions?

>every N fight has a different team of pokemon that can be found on that exact route implying he talked them into fighting for him rather than capturing them
gen 5 was kino and you cant tell me otherwise

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Apparently, they have to win the Pokemon League in order to have the right of challenging the Elite Four of the region. Considering that in the current anime ranking E4's like Flint and Drasna are just below Master Rank (Flint got kicked out of Master by Ash, he's almost at Champion level), not any trainer can just go and challenge them.

Canonically within the games I'm pretty sure Red's Pikachu is the highest level of any NPC at 88. I think they now have the Dojo Master from SWSH DLC matching that level, though.
It's pretty cool when the games do that sort of thing, like the trainers in the Galarian World Tournament and the challengers when you're defending your championship in Alola. I don't remember if the PWT in B2W2 had set levels or not. But it's a neat indicator of who is supposed to be stronger, regardless of team composition or things like that.
That said, Leon is a massive fag. Complete shill character that never really feels like he lives up to the title. I wish they would have went with the rumored fraud storyline, it would have made SWSH's story much more compelling.

he's ranked at 0

why has this been spammed over several days? genuinely asking

because yin yang bro

People like stupid power-level discussions.

For me it's Brock in Pokemon Yellow
>Pikachu used thundershock
>it doesn't affect Geodude
I had to be older than 8 to figure out I could raise a caterpie to butterfree to beat him with psychic moves

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>jobbers
>considered living legends in-universe

(You) beating them in-game is not an argument.

A lot of people are mad because there is no longer any way to deny that yes, Leon is explicitly the strongest champion.

Powerlevel faggotry and the possibility of the Ashnime ending.

>he didn't Tail Whip and Quick Attack Onix to death

At least I did that in my first playthrough, but I was a wee kid who'd end using Ash's anime dream team.

People are really hyped.

The ash anime isn’t going to end lol it’s incredibly obvious where it’s going. Ash is going to lose to Leon and then enroll in Gen 9 school with his fucktoy to learn the finer details of battling

I think I tried shenanigans with sand attack, but ran out of PP and killed myself struggling. Damn though after I beat Brock everything else was smooth sailing in comparison.

Wrong, Ash is going to Spain next

Spain will have a school, MC has a school uniform.
We Pokesona now.

>(You) beating them in-game is not an argument.
It is tho, Red is the biggest jobber protagonist in the series.

>Looking through champion teams
>Figure no one's going to be higher level than pre-nerf Cynthia
>Discounting Alder, who you only get to fight in what's technically a rematch, Diantha actually has the highest levels all-around

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wat? I was in two max post threads yesterday and barely anyone was really bitching about that, just had a few people mentioning that TPCi is really doubling down on LEON #1 BAYBEE
you're thinking of places like serebii forums n' shit

What if they try replacing Ash as the protagonist? He could become the number 1 trainer, and the next season could be about the new characters from scarlet and violet. Ash could show up to be a mentor too.

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You & other trainers
Not a single Pokémon trainer in mainline Pokémon in 20+ years of existence has even managed to make a team with a semblance of valuable logic. It's never working towards a win condition, never trying to set anythiing up.
With such low standards you're surprised the mongoloids that consume this franchise seethe at anyone applying these basic concepts and bodying them

>TWO Charizards

This guy beat Red. Where is he?

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>they're going to do the school sol thing despite doing it for three years before the currently airing series
you're so fucking stupid

Yes it’s much more realistic the show is gonna drop ash any day now lol

and Diantha is going to job like a motherfucker lol

Levels from the games are completely relevant in the anime.

Good thing I don't give a shit about the anime :^)

>Discounting Alder, who you only get to fight in what's technically a rematch, Diantha actually has the highest levels all-around
Those fights were shit though and she uses less pokemon than in the real champion match. Diantha is still seen as a jobber by the fanbase which is why the anime ranks her beneath Lance, Steven, Cynthia, and Leon.

is the guy with the charizard that's wearing a necklace Kukui's replacement, or something? he's the only champion who isn't there besides blue.

He is the guy who bodied Ash in the last tournament and is there so the writers can redeem themselves

He's Alain, Kalos League winner and the man who made the whole of Japan want the anime producers' heads on a stake.

So Ash's top 3 on-hand is:

>Pikachu
>Lucario
>Charizard

frog is still cutting vines

For what it's worth, frog cut Megadog up without even transforming himself

What would be his top 3 strongest Pokemon per region? Considering he still has a bunch of unevolved Pokemon in reserve.

>Charizard
>the Pokemon who jobbed against Brandon, forcing Squirtle and Bulbasaur to do all the work
lmao

There's no way there's going to be three Charizards in the top 8, right?

Correct, but only because there will be 5.