Who was in the wrong here?

War has a 50% chance to have changed
-- user, 2022

The means and techniques of waging wars has changed, however their nature has not.

As in they have shitty bad reasons, which is invariably what the fallout series is trying to say.
The reason that our leaders want war today is the same reason our leaders wanted war back then. A king is functionally not massively different from any greedy leader.

me

Yo donnie.

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Isn't this just Yea Forums's epic gamer circlejerk? Not that it'd be wrong.

Based. Bethesdtroons on suicide watch.

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WHAT IS IT GOOD FOR

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Words are definite vs words are loose.

War itself never changes because people don't change and will always find a reason to fight one another
The way war is waged always changes because it is necessary for victory. There isn't any delusion that our methods have any nobility or honor within them.

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>Bethesda
The only tranny fallouts are 2 and NV, neither of which were made by Bethesda.

The nature of war (why it is fought and that it is fought at all) has not changed, but the fashion in which it is prosecuted (the weapons and arrangement of the belligerents) has.
Both are correct for the aspect they are discussing.

>by the people
Oh sweet summer child

Fallout trannies get annihilated.

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Yeah

>it's a meme
Cope tranny
Kill yourself fucking freak
Everyone hates you faggot

>see image
>"haha its another one of those fake -core bingos that try to piss off the fans of those games haha"
>see homm3
>...
You know, im 27, i should be above getting angry at idiotic shit online, but occasionally stuff like this still gets me. Sasuga to whoever made it, you mildly annoyed me.

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Snake because he's actually a dumbass who thinks the means of war changing means war has changed. The only thing that has changed with war is we are less focused on killing civilians because war has become so technical the average civilian cannot operate most military hardware without a crash course in training. The professional soldier was the last change. But the bottom line is war has not changed, only the tools.

they're both right.
Snake is talking about how impersonal war became and the BoS guy was just saying war is inevitable.

I think the shift from war being a clash of ideas or civilizations to a clash of opposing business interests warrants the statement that "war has changed"

Except it literally hasn't because the underlying reason behind these conflicts hasn't changed. Resources. Actors and Tools change but the motif of War does not.

Most wars are indeed about resources but there are many examples of wars purely over ideology in which neither side was facing impending shortages.

Imagine basing your own tastes because at some point some people you don't like liked something.
Truly rent free.

So human resources don't count?

>Fallout
Name a bigger tranny base. Hardmode no Undertale.

not every ideology's goal is to convert the maximum # of people. it's murky because, yes, there are resources to be had in any war so you could always say that was the core cause if you're being cynical.

Friday Night Funkin

So many wars are simply waged to kill with no ulterior motive. Even then the idea of war has not changed. Motivation? Actors? Tools? How does any of this change what War is? How many goalposts are going to visit on the same field before you admit it's still a field for playing ball games?

Also, the plot of MGS4 involved a unique scenario in which nominally oppositional PMC's were really just colluding to build meat grinders with a war theme.
Well by that logic, what isn't a "game"?

I accept your concession.

Why do you have so much ego invested in a fun little exchange sophistry?

>Take a bunch of good games
>Put them in a retarded chart

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>The only thing that has changed with war
So you're telling me that war HAS changed? Got it

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Every game on this list that I have tried I hate so I guess I'm safe.

Your arguments are weak and supported by feels and not reals. Ideology is a motivation. Tanks, guns, swords, fists, humans are all tools. Nations, States, Businesses, all actors. You have only pointed out different factors of war and how they mingle in the act. Not how the act has fundamentally changed.

The last change to war was the professional soldier.

>a thread about videogames? better turn the conversation towards trannies

>neither of which were made by Bethesda
NV is a reskin of 3. It is quite literally the same game. An expansion at best.

You must not have played MGS4.
The PMC's were never in real opposition. They only pretended to be to generate death and money.

Seetheing F:NVfag trying to dilute the meme

4 is 100% a tranny game

>war has changed because we don't kill civvies as much
K then.

Sure haven't, Hideo gets high off his own fumes and you are lost in the sauce.

Fallout lost.

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>hurrr war has changed in how we conduct it and the kind of people that are used and the rules of conduct and in goals and in the diplomatic games involved and in people's perception of it and in logistics but besifes all that it hasn't changed
Kill yourself you trannoid.

ahh, The Narwhal Bacons at Midnight, very epic
your gold, sir

It hasn't. It literally has not changed. And imagine
>laws for a fight
As deluded as the people who signed the cuck agreement.

I accept your concession.

>war has changed
Thank you for clearing that up

he's literally devove the argument into "all things in life are a game so nothing ever actually changes", it's b8, just stop feeding it

>maybe if I take his words completely out of context, repeat it ad infinitum, and add a reaction image every now and then I'll be right
The way we operate theatres has "changed" too but has theatre changed?

he'll

>it hasn't vhanged even though it has because... IT JUST HASN'T, OK?
Typical delusional tranny behaviour.

If every game released from today on was a strand type, would you not say that "gaming has changed"?

>The way we operate theatres has "changed"
You answered your own question

>change
>intransitive verb.
>1 : to become different
If war hasn't changed go ahead and conquer the US using Napoleonic square musket armies. I'll wait.

Well war still involves atoms and molecules so it never actually changes, boom, I win :^)

Both are right. Both series have monologues on which they detail their argument. They aren't talking in absolutes.