You don't need to actually watch it. If you do the most important bits start at 31:25 and 56:29. Play at 2x speed obviously
>Summary storytime?
>Ralsei isn't a darkner, lightner nor monster >Dark fountains bring inanimate objects to life, granting the item a personality and becoming a darkner in the dark world. Ralsei is what would happen if an inanimate object (the plastic horned monster costume Toriel hints about) is exposed to a dark fountain AFTER having first been coated in the dust of a dead monster/lightener. He's an object imbued with monster dust. Hence, Ralsei has dark and light qualities >a mundane object brought to life after being coated in dead monster dust.......yes, it's EXACTLY like Flowey. Who if you recall, was also secretly Asriel Dreemurr. Ralsei and Flowey have VERY MANY suspicious similarities, they are parallels of each other. Even little things like how both characters are fist introduced by being interrupted by fire attacks. They're both Asriel. >It's the same story, again. Undertale is just Deltarune with details switched around >Asriel is not away at college. He is dead, like in Undertale. Kris knows this, and is lying to everyone about him coming home soon and his "phone being broken". Toriel doesn't know how to use email. So Kris is the only one supposedly able to contact Asriel. >this is why Sans winks when he says you'll get to see Papyrus "when Asriel comes home". He's being sly, Sans knows Kris is lying about Asriel. >Ralsei doesn't have the memories or soul of Asriel, only his general appearance. Ralsei is the BODY of Asriel made from his dust, Asriel's soul is elsewhere. THAT'S WHY RALSEI HAS A BLACK HEART-SHAPED HOLE ON HIS CHEST. HE HAS NO SOUL. LIKE FLOWEY
Post 1/3 cuz the maximum word count on Yea Forums is criminal.
>No you do not need a soul to feel emotion, that is a common fan misconception. Flowey did have emotions, he just struggled to feel or understand love because of the specifics of how he was made. Ralsei can feel compassion, unlike Flowey, because he was created under less nightmarish conditions. The dark fountain process is similar but isn't precisely the same. >The plot of the game is a reversal of the first. The SOUL of Asriel after death, was absorbed by Kris. Which if you recall, was a hanging plot point in Undertale we never got to see: what would happen if a human absorbed a monster soul instead? And remember in Undertale, they explicitly state humans can ONLY absorb Boss Monster souls (which are NOT the same thing as monsters you have boss fights with btw, it's a different class) there are only 3 Boss Monsters in the whole franchise—Toriel, Asgore, and Asriel >In Undertale, we are given backstory about how the human brother died and his soul was absorbed by Asriel, and the 2 shared joint control of Asriel's body. (Until later when Asriel died and became Flowey) >In Deltarune, Asriel died, and now Kris the human has absorbed Asriel's soul instead. Now they share joint control of Kris. THE PLAYER IS NOT THE ONE POSSESSING KRIS. ASRIEL IS POSSESSING KRIS. THE PLAYER IS CONTROLLING ASRIEL, WE DO NOT PLAY AS KRIS.
Luis Richardson
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>Exactly like in Undertale, Asriel's soul proves to be slightly stronger than his human sibling's, hence Kris is being gradually overpowered, and starting to lose control >That's why Kris can rip his soul out of his body and not die immediately. He has 2 souls inside him. He threw ASRIEL'S soul in the cage in Chp. 1, which is why the player can still move the soul around inside the cage. >That's why Kris immediately creates a dark fountain after learning how in Chapter 2. Because Kris lied, the whole town is expecting Asriel to come home soon for summer. Kris is desperately trying to find a way to either bring Asriel back to life, before anyone finds out he's dead. >That's why Kris is repeatedly shown to be deeply unsettled by Ralsei. Kris knows that can't really be Asriel, despite looking like him, because Asriel is dead and his soul is LITERALLY inside Kris's body >Kris is NOT the one responsible for Snowgrave. Noelle is right—Kris is a well-meaning kid. ASRIEL is the one who did Snowgrave. Or rather, the player who is controlling Asriel is. See, as we were told at the start of Deltarune, your [Kris's] choices don't matter. But Asriel's choices DO matter, because we are controlling him. >If the player chooses the Snowgrave route, what is actually happening is you, like in Undertale, have free choice to determine the player character's morality [this time it's Asriel]. Be peaceful, or be evil. >If you choose Snowgrave, and continue along similar dark paths in future chapters, what you are doing is determining the morality of the soul of Asriel Dreemurr, choosing the path of evil. >If you choose Snowgrave, you're walking the path that will create Flowey 2.0.
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Gabriel Gutierrez
How the hell does Kris hide Asriel's death? Toriel just accepts her son disappearing on the day he's supposed to go to college? How did Kris dispose of the car? How does NO ONE mention the fact that Asriel disappeared without a farewell?
Jace Hill
okay. I liked reading this OP, good job.
Christopher Flores
That isn't really a big hole in the theory, it would be very easy for Kris to make up that Asriel hitched a ride with someone "to college" and Toriel would brush it off as Asriel being an adult now and "well he left without saying goodbye, oh kids grow up to fast :( hope he's okay in college". Toriel isn't super savvy y'know, she comes off as slightly gullible like she'd probably believe her children would never lie to her
True function of the SOUL, which is still yet unknown, will btfo this theory
Justin Taylor
If LVL stands for Level of Violence, what does SOUL stand for
John Turner
Soure Of Ur LVL
Colton Martin
It's super weird to me that Undertale had this whole huge Christmas town and Noelle and her family are nowhere to be found. No hint of them even. I'm pretty sure Toby had the concept of their family already before Undertale released, so why is there seemingly no hint or anything about them?
All of the major players in Deltarune are coincidentally not returning Undertale characters. I assume Toby specifically didn't want to include anyone he had a "grander plan" in mind for.
Jack Brooks
probably for the same reason susie/suzy is mentioned in name only
Daniel Parker
OH MY FUCKING GOD THE EYES ON HIS FACE AREN'T HIS REAL EYES, THE DOTS ON HIS ANTLERS BLINK EWEWEWEW
Thomas Collins
Undertale was likely hastily made or he probably wanted to save some people for Deltarune so that it didn't look like a complete rehash Its also my headcanon that the unnamed npcs the echo flowers were mimicking are Noelle and Dess, the ones who were making wishes and shit in waterfall
Jackson Lee
this is partly giga autistic and a massive stretch, but it also makes sense in some ways genuinely cool and reasonable given how far fetched it is the most interesting part for me is the sans wink. even if you think asriel being dead is probably completely wrong which i do its a possibility sans knows something or that asriel will not simply return. Just as much as its a possibility that hes winking for the sake of it
Zachary Johnson
I do think something will be up with Asriel, its seems characters all have a predetermined fate considering lots of similar things happened between both the games like Asgore and Toriel splitting up, Rudy dying young, the amalgamates remain dead in deltarune etc. It would be hard to believe if that was the twist, he would have to of recently went to college for this to work, Toriel would 100% be a helicopter mom and its not like other phones don't exist, she would get pretty suspicious
Daniel Ramirez
Your theory makes sense but mostly because there's probably something up with Asriel that we're not aware of yet Toby's not gonna do the same thing as Undertale though.
I'm still wondering what the fuck caused Asgore and Toriel to break up in deltarune. In Undertale, it took the death of their sons and even then it took him outright declaring war against humanity for her to leave him, and him killing 6 human kids for her to hate him.
So beyond that what fucking ruins their marriage?
Aiden Perry
I love Toriel but I wish it was reversed when HE had to break up with her and he's the one raising Kris as a single parent while Toriel has to be off doing her own thing
Aaron Ramirez
Toby has an aversion to stable father figures and the cat is probably next for the chopping block in ch3
>futa faggot coming into a deltarune thread to tell others off
Asher Russell
I don't believe the theory but its surprisingly well thought out
Jose Evans
>mom, I posted again! >get the camera!
Isaiah Cruz
What connection do you think Noelle and her dad have with the church? They both very heavy-handedly have Christian crosses for antlers and Noelle is angel-ish
Also CHRISTmas is Christian and her last name Holiday is literally holy day. What the hell is going on with that church
Spamton and one Adison call her angel. She also made that faceless angel doll along with Dess. Whatever the Angel's Heaven is, it's intrinsically connected to Noelle.
Austin Powell
angel's heaven is just the plane of reality that gaster uses to remotely shitpost across time and space for amusement
Don't forget about this tweet Toby made after the Omori Kickstarter. 2 years ago means he's most likely talking about Deltarune (since he shown files with his ideas dating back to 2012). I unironically feel I just got spoiled.
to be fair, omori in the trailer was completely different from the actual game. I assume toby mostly refers to the theme of escapism, conflict beetwen real and fictional worlds, etc
Why does it have an 'image not found' icon on its forehead
What is that shit on its back
Why does it have a heart-shaped nose (I know skeletons have that it's just it feels deliberately designed to resemble a soul)
Ryder Campbell
Could be talking about Dess instead of Asriel
Isaiah Powell
Gyftrot's gimmick is that it's "decorated" with a bunch of useless shit. You have to take that stuff off at which point the sprite becomes cleaner. Or you can put even more stuff on, which makes it angrier.
Thomas Diaz
hey uh toby here, please delete this thread and wipe it from the archives, thanks
Leo Sanders
>his soul sorry I have to disregard your thoughts on the basis of you being a male chara fag
Austin Brown
The main trio were designed while Undertale was in development (their character concepts probably existed even before that, we don't know exactly how comprehensive Toby's dream was). Rudy, and Noelle and Dess, were retroactively confirmed to exist in the Undertale universe through the alarm clock app which details Asgore's good friendship with him. Rudolf died, of natural causes, by the time Undertale takes place, but Noelle and Dess made it to the surface with everyone else. undertale.com/alarmclock/asgore/
I can only speculate, I don't think we have any indication about whether or not and to what extent Deltarune was ever intended to be an independent game from Undertale (and how much is "foreshadowing for Deltarune in Undertale" versus "Deltarune concepts and characters that were repurposed for Undertale"). But at the minimum I think it's safe to say having Deltarune's main characters be proper "original" characters was a deliberate decision on Toby's part, so characters like Noelle and Susie and their families were deliberately excluded from having Undertale equivalents.
In Chapter 2 you can investigate the police station and learn that Asgore was forced to step down as chief of police for reasons that aren't specified before Kris makes you to stop reading. It couldn't have been anything too horrible, as Asgore still seems to be generally well-liked in town and most speculation suggests it had something to do with Dess's disappearance while Rudy still considers him his best friend.
is this that game that the developer implied he'd need another 16 years to complete?
Liam Mitchell
I wish Deltarune would just come out and be concluded so we can appreciate the story for what it was and look back fondly on it after we're done. I don't like all this "DA LORE!" autism. That's for shit like FNAF and Hello Neighbour (lol). I always appreciated Toby's games because they seemed to be above that. (I know there's nothing we can do about it, video games take a lot of time to make. I'm just saying in a perfect world...)
Noelle is definitely associated with angels/"the Angel," but Spamton and the Addison could have also been addressing Kris when they say "angel." Spamton definitely was, his other dialogue talks about things like Kris's inventory and Noelle doesn't speak or respond at all during the entire sequence, even when you put the ring on her.
I never noticed there is a person-shaped set of pixels outside the front door til now
Levi Hughes
rent free
Asher Collins
Interesting bit about christmas is that it was never stated when Jesus was born. Christmas was just a pagan holiday that was adopted, mainly because giving gifts to each other is pretty nice and fun. Noelle in that pic looks pretty in that pic.
Evan Martinez
I am quite confident in the fact that every theory saying that an Undertale character will have a very important role, will be wrong.
The date on that tweet was more than two months before the Omori Kickstarter launched. But Toby was familiar with Omocat and could have been in on more details, even just from the original comics. There are lot of broad similarities between Deltarune and Omori, especially the central theme of escapism, you don't have to jump the gun to murder.
Jack Sanchez
All the dark worlds seem like they're gonna take place in different media or art mediums or whatever. I hope we get a theatre dark world
Tyler Baker
an interesting theory. it would parallel Undertale (the player character having the essence of the other important sibling character, Asriel rather than chara.) let me play some Devil's advocate
1. if the soul we see Kris removing is Asriel's, why is it colored? in Undertale we saw monster souls are white, whilst all humans' are colored.
2. in Undertale, it's implied that we aren't in direct control of chara, rather WE (the player) are a seperate entity. this is why chara speaks directly to us in the end of Genocide. chara is their own character, not an insert. why would it be different here, why would (the player) be Asriel, especially that now it's no longer a human were shaping, as to parallel ourselves?
correct me on anything or add
James Torres
It took Toby the better part of 3 years to finish Chapter 1 (out of 7) on his own, which is why he released the demo as basically a cry for help realizing he need a real team to help him this time if he wanted to bring his dream game to life.
Angel Edwards
bros I wish I lived in Deltarune and got to hang out with funny animal people and study world history I want to have a goat brother and be adopted into a happy family FUCK WHY I AM I STILL ON THIS GAY EARTH
>1. if the soul we see Kris removing is Asriel's, why is it colored? in Undertale we saw monster souls are white, whilst all humans' are colored. when kris rips the soul out of his chest it flashes red and white, dunno if that means anything
Jason Bell
>not wanting ralsei to be your mom
Jose Clark
escapism is le bad, user.
Christian Morales
you are the worst goddamn zoomer retards
William Nelson
You will never be an oldfag
Hudson Johnson
>Ralsei is what would happen if an inanimate object (the plastic horned monster costume Toriel hints about) is exposed to a dark fountain AFTER having first been coated in the dust of a dead monster/lightener. He's an object imbued with monster dust. Hence, Ralsei has dark and light qualities sounds really gay
Jonathan Hill
I like the theory but don't think it's true.
Jayden Foster
Gnosticism is like Indian mythology but more tryhard and edgier. Who knew the jews would have such an intimate likeness to the pajeets.
Looking at things in retrospect, Toby's definitely had connections in mind from the very start to at least SOME capacity, he wouldn't slip Gaster into Undertale otherwise given how he's presumably shaping up in Deltarune. Gaster's the only real notable overlap where he's important to both games (worldbuilding in Undertale and whatever the fuck his deal will be in Deltarune), like you pointed out there's been deliberate separation in character mentions and prominence to keep the two games distinct, even if they are related.
