BREAUH BRUH THE GAYME SUCKS AFTER YOU GETTA LORD VESSEWL

Post-LV levels just aren't fun to explore, whilst early game is fun because solving road blocks involved some fun exploration.

Yes, game sucked way before lord vessel

I feel like a large reason why post-lordvessel really drops in quality and feels like a chore is that it is essentially a fetch quest. The beginning of the game is just a pure adventure, you're put into the middle of this world with a vague goal and left to your own devices. Doesn't help that the most of the later areas are dead ends as well as being unfinished and sloppy.

FUCK BED OF CHAOS
FUCK THIS GAY ASS PUZZLE SHIT GIVE ME A REAL BOSS

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>BRUH THE GAYME SUCKS AFTER YOU GETTA LORD VESSEWL
no it sucks after you beat iron golem. anor londo may look pretty but its just as empty as all the other post vessel ares

New Londo feels unfinished overall imo
And what was the dev's thinking with putting 20 ghosts in one building

>lost izalith
i'll give you that one but i still ike that area
>dukes archive.
it's a fucking library not a picasso painting. not bad area
>new londo
cool area
>tomb of the giants
didn't give an argument but it's a cool area
nah
you fags might as well say undead burg sucks at this point.
you can! just keep playing
OH MY FUCKING GOD I'M NOT FINISHING THAT POST. THAT POST IS GOING TO GIVE ME GAY AIDS. YOU JUST REFERRED TO THINGS AS CRINGE. YOU'RE FUCKING TWELVE. GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE I DON'T WANT TWEEN AIDS
WILL NOT READ THE REST OF THAT SORRY I CANNOT DIE YET.
WRONG.
call the fucking tranny clown ambulance we gotta evacuate this faggot RIGHT NOW. RIGHT NOW HE HAS TO GO.
>you like have a checklist
YOU MEAN LIKE WHEN AT THE VERY START AFTER YOU'RE DROPPED OFF YOU ARE TOLD TO RING BELL
BELL ONE CHECK
BELL TWO CHECK
CHECKLIST.
you could have explored you just CHOSE NOT TO.
>it's empty!!!!
it's fulla shit
THERE'S A FUCKING PAINTING THAT HAS A WORLD IN IT. i'm sorry they don't have GAY CUM covering the entire place so that you could LOVE THE AREA MMMM MMM SNACKY SNACKY but it is a GOOD AREA AND YOU ARE FUCKING GAY

>archives + caves
it sucks if you move the staircase then die. The invisible roads in crystal caves feel tedious. The boss is the most anticlimactic shit in the world. The stretch of greenland between the two areas feels bland, and the two areas could've flown into each other more nicely.
>new londo + abyss
its really visually uninteresting to look at except the beginning portion with the blue fire. It sucks to die to 4 kings then having to wait for the elevator over and over again
>tomb of the giants
this ones ok I think. I hear people complain about curse but I was never cursed (?) during my one playthrough. I love that blue stretch of cavern before you get to the boss. The dogs are a bit aggravating but theyre predictable at least

>WHY DON'T YOU GUYS LIKE ____?!?!
>we don't like ___ because
>UFJFJF MASS REPLY YOUR is INVALID AND DUMB BECAUSE MY OPINION IS O B J E C T I V E!!!!
why do people make threads like this, why can't we just discuss civilly

The burg and the painted world are the best levels in ds1, nothing else comes even close.
>you like have a checklist
But they are different. Assuming this is your first playthrough and you know next to nothing about the story, the pre-lordvessel quests feel like an appetizer to the main course, the mystery of the world is still there and the goal is still very nebulous and uncertain, there's a constant feeling of anticipation which disperses the moment you are told the full-scope of the story and told to go on a large fetch quest to end the game, the mystery is no longer there and then you find out that the supposed main course is unfinished and half-done.

>it's a fucking library not a picasso painting
It's a level in a video-game, neither a place to store books nor merely a static artwork to contemplate.

nice meltdown bro

it's a fucking archive in that video game which is a library. you are arguing that vidya can't have libraries and YOU ARE WRONG
i think that is a you thing but you are responding nicely to my spastic shitposting so i will just leave it at that
it's fun bro

>crystal caverns
>duke's archive being the same floor copy-pasted 6 times
>lost izalith's dragon ass valley
Nah, it sucks.
Tomb of the Giants and New Londo are alright.

I wonder if people would have remembered bed of chaos more fondly if the walk back wasn't so long

And you get faggots shitting on the stakes of marika and asking for the return of boss walk-backs.

i'm pretty sure they would still think it was a shitty, janky boss. because it is one.
>YOU SHOULD BE PUNISHED. THAT'S YOUR PUNISHMENT. WASTING YOUR TIME IS THE PUNISHMENT
dude the boss has seven phases
>NOPE SHOULD HAVE TO WALK BACK AND THINK ABOUT YOUR STRATS

I think theyre helpful to a degree, but for BoC its obnoxious.
In celeste, a precision platformer, the retries are instant, and I would find myself making the same mistakes over and over again because I just wanted to go at it as fast as I could, and there was no physical space or time to mull over what I did wrong. I could've just paused and thought, but the walk backs really force you to think.
A lot of them suck ass and are a bit too long though, like 4kings and seethe

I never had trouble with bed of chaos, do retards really hate this???

>there are people still unaware of the firebomb cheese

really?
Did you cheese it? If not, did you somehow intuit what you were supposed to do, and perfectly time your runs so you didn't get swiped and die a bunch of times? I really can't fathom doing it on a first blind playthrough without dying at least like 6 or 7 times
an unintended way to cheese a boss doesn't forgive it for being shitty

I never excused it retard, it's a shit boss through and through but I'm still surprised that people are still doing it the normal way when the strat that completely trivializes it is literally a youtube search away.

it's not about "having trouble" with it. it's about it being a gay shitty boss that sucks and isn't fun. that's the point. do you get it now tardo?

>Did you cheese it?
what constitutes as cheesing the boss? arrows or something?
I just saw the two orbs in the cutscene and just went there, fell through the floor like twice and then though now what, and I just approached the middle, ran in-between the swipes to see the floor collapse and the I just jumped down

not him but people throw firebombs at it and it gets deleted pretty fast. that's what i did

Post Lord Vessel content is fucking based. It takes the fucking training wheels off completely and adds cool ass environmental shit that you just gotta learn to adjust to.

Tomb of the Giants is dark as shit, figure out how to light your path or fight blind.

Duke's Archives is fucking great and learning how to navigate invisible platforms in the cave via falling snow is kino.

New Londo has enemies you literally cannot fight without an expendable limited time item OR halving your health via curse so you can fight them.

Lost Izalith is the only truly weak one because lava just kills you and the only way to progress is to get the stupid ring which just makes it so that lava kills you slower. If you could just platform around the lava and the ring was actually difficult to get it would be a far cooler test of the player's ability to adapt to increasingly less favorable conditions, which is precisely what an environmental difficulty curve should look like.

Every area in a Souls game should throw something new, unique and interesting that forces you to adapt via a variety of methods or quit because you're a whining baby brainlet that can't handle the video game not holding your hand

There is a sharp drop in quality after Anor Londo.
>Tomb of the Giants
Objectively unfair area, where one of two "light" sources in the game is located (the other one being Solaire, if you kill him, in another one of the 4 endgame areas). It's a tiny area, but it's chock full of deadly falls, giant enemies that will push you around and will attack you from outside your light radius. It's not interesting in the slightest.
>Lost Izalith
I don't think I need to say much. Dragon butts, visual cancer, least interesting enemies in the game, least visually inspiring design, oh and lava floor.
>Duke's Archives
Somewhat decent area with a forced death against Seath, which angers me. Getting hit by projectiles from everywhere isn't particularly interesting but this is probably the better designed area in the 2nd half.
>Crystal Cave
Completely uninteresting gimmick of walking on invisible floors. Visually bland, very short area. Nothing interesting going on here.
>New Londo
Looks bland as fuck, enemies require you to be cursed or use an item to hit. One of the longest runs back to the boss after dying. Ghosts aren't very fun or interesting mechanically, aside from being able to hide in walls and hit you when your weapons bounce off. Darkwraiths are alright. Just not a very well-designed area.

Throwing firebombs at what? the arms?
I didn't know it could take damage that way

not him but
youtube.com/watch?v=vWOzN6PWKjQ
is a free win and you don't even need to move

yeah. watch a clip of it it's kinda jank

If you clear the catacombs the last necromancer drops a skull lantern
>dragon butts
Unpatched dragon butts were indeed cancer, but hilarious in a way
>archives
Eh, I liked it, hated the music
>cave
Yeah it was kind of bullshit, again, hated the music
>new londo
I fucking love new londo

>unique and interesting that forces you to adapt via a variety of methods
for each of the areas you basically only one or two.
Are these unique twists that make for meaningful playstyle changes? Or are they just tedious gimmicks you have to slow down for and just deal with to move on?

The game simply isn't good, it's only after the lordvessel and when people can't wank off interconnected shit they see the game for what it is.

eh, I wouldn't really say it's a cheese, just cuts down in the walking, but that's coming from me who just knows where to walk after hundreds of hours n shit

>basically only one or two
shit I meant to type
>basically only gave one or two examples of methods
just pretend I wrote that instead

i don't care if it's considered cheese or not. i think the boss sucks and throwing bombs at it is within my "vidya moralfaggot" compass where it's okay to do because the boss is just gay and i don't care. i'd say it's probably cheese but it doesn't matter.

how the fuck is this not a cheese lmao
if this isn't a cheese, then what is

I'd say stay at the very back and somehow being able to shoot arrows at it would be cheese
like luring havel to the top of the stairs and hitting him when he starts walking down again, that's cheese

>I fucking love new londo
How? It's the worst fucking area of the game, gank ghosts squads phasing through walls, ugly as fuck, insta-kill drops EVERYWHERE, and to top it off a shitty dps race of a boss that gimps by requiring a ring along with having the longest run back if you died.
fuck that place

>for each of the areas you basically only one or two.

>Tomb of the Giants
Skull Lantern
Sunlight Maggot
Fight Blind
Prism Stones
Trial and Error run through ignoring shit and hope you get lucky

>Cave with Invisible Platforms
Falling Snow
Developer Message
Prism Stones
Trial And Error learning

>New Londo Ghosts
Get cursed by basilisks
Get special curse weapon
Use transient curses
Ignore ghosts and run

I agree, Lost Izalith has just one answer, get the Orange Charred Ring, which is why it is weakest

Literally all of your points can be distilled down to git gud, so I will say just that
Git gud

Worst area is awarded to the crystal cave, nothing is shittier than that, especially the walk back if you die to all the garbage things there

i mean cheese is a little vague and people define it differently and i just don't care. like i said i don't care if it's cheese or not. it's a shitty boss fight and it doesn't matter. i allow cheese for that fight.

Yeah I agree with you
fight lore wise:, cool
actual game: ass

Crystal cave is fine, I don't get the hate. You can basically run past everything (if you know the routes)and it just looks nice, the only roadblock being the fucking clams which requires you to take them out one by one lest you get swarmed and mobbed in the bossroom if not outside. Same with tomb of the giants where you can skip 80% of the place if you take a shortcut, in contrast to the godawful trek back to the four kings just to get one-shotted by the magic aoe.

Something's very very off about you, the way you type...

something's what?

Well of course you'd not think it's bad if you know the game, but as a new player? that is ass, getting the slab, finding the "hidden" path in the first place, fighting the clams, hitting the crystal, dying to the boss and running back: all that shit is awful

you don't like clams you fuckin pussy

Have you tried fighting clams without a shield? often 2 or more at a time? it's just such a time waste

the game sucks as soon as you get to anal londo. everything up to that point the game is a 10/10.

my best strat is to get a weapon with a pancake move and stunlock them into oblivion, works like a charm but you'd gotta do it in time before the others wake and swarm you

so walk around the fuckin clams dude. you don't have to fight the clams.

you're hung up on the clams i think you are in love with the clams

this fuckin dumbass thinks "anal londo" is funny
how about "the tainted world of hairy anus" how about that. goml

>izalith
Yes it sucks. The buildings look cool, that's it
>archives
Not bad, not amazing. Too easy. Kinda empty.
>le caves
Just annoying. Looks kinda cool at least. Very easy, the only way to die is to fall
>New Londo
The top part is kinda cool, I like fighting the ghosts. Generally just OK. A bit on the easy side.
>Tomb of the Giants
Decent, would actually be good with some more tunnels/secrets/whatever