Why are the steam deck people fighting with Switch when their competition is the Aya neo next?

what even is this thing?

Yeah no. The aya had better specs overall

Emulators only don't perform on it well because Valve is dumb enforcing 8c/8t mode on everything in Steam and not desktop mode and emulators don't need multicore until the 6th generation consoles so you benefit more from turning off CPU cores with how low of a power limit the Steam Deck has where AMD's power shifting algorithm does weird things when you are 80-100% eating the power limit of the Deck.

Not to mention the screen fucking sucks, the cooling solutions are sub-par and the controls feel awful and are prone to breaking. The amount of people that have had to return it so far is INSANE, and some people have returned it twice by now, so the build quality isn't exactly good.

To be honest, from my experiences so far it isn't quite the steal I thought it would be.

I can emulate anything under 6th gen on my phone easily. Anyone can at this point. 6th gen + is what you need. UMPCs in general are shit hot at it now, and the deck lags behind.

>Why are the steam deck people fighting with Switch when their competition is the Aya neo next?
Because its not, its a overpriced chink console that is not worth it at all.

>8c/8t
4c/8t, you mean

The aya neo is the worst of them all. The winmax, onexplayer, and steam deck are the only ones worth talking about

Win Max is worthless as a gaming console. It has dogshit ergonomics and controller. The bad cooling also makes the battery prone to bloating. it's okay as a tiny laptop, I guess, but it won't beat any of the devices you listed for games.

The CPU is better but the GPU is much worse. I'm sure I'll enjoy mine since I play older games and indie stuff.

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You phone has even worse solutions to manage heat than UMPCs if it is anything newer than 3 years old and not an iPhone. 6th generation is where single core isn't enough and you need multicore. You have enough multicore for these consoles with just 4 cores since the multicore can only do anywhere from 2-4 cores for separate rendering thread and possibly seperate processing contexts like with the PS2 and Gamecube. It's not nonexistent but it matters somewhat. Only with 7th generation does it start becoming a limited factor with the Xbox 360 at least having a tricore and the PPE/SPEs of the Cell in the PS3. The Wii is excluded because they didn't get multicore until the Wii U which is in the same class as the Xbox 360. 4c8t is not enough in those circumstances for a vast majority of those games and it only works in the PS3's case because the inefficient programming of the Cell actually benefits emulation for once with single threaded PPE and SPE running smoothly in RPCS3.

No, I meant that. See twitter.com/Plagman2/status/1516286672073228291

Explain how steam deck isn’t chink shit.

I’ll wait

You talk a load of shit, but in the end you do nothing but say exactly what I said. The deck doesn't have the CPU oomph to hit up PS3 or 360 games.

>inb4 someone miscontrues my words to be obtuse and show me some easy as shit PS3 game running on the deck
Yeah, my retroid pocket 2+ plays disc-based ps2 nippon ichi, but I am not going to start talking shit about how it "plays PS2 games"

cause the next cannot compete with the deck on anything other than raw cpu power.
and even then the results are not nearly as far apart as you would think due to the difference in ram.
its cool people are trying,but its not even close.
even if when steamOS comes to desktops and it makes the aya beat deck,its still twice the price and lacks basic controls like gyro aim.

One has DDR5 ram and the other has DDR4.

16gb ddr5 is better than 32gb ddr4
You really put a LOT of faith in ddr5 ram

implying 16gb ddr5 is better than 32gb ddr4
Fix'd

Ok so basically the Aya Neo isn't worth shit unless you want to emulate high end games? In which case it probably should be about 20% faster. Just fucking wait for the Ryzen 6000 series models or whichever has fucking rdna 2 before trying to shit on the steam deck despite it being half the price lmao.

the steam deck is based linux. cuckdows is not installed unless i want it for some reason
no such options with the competition

Even if you emulate "high end" games its still shit.

Linux is so bad. You are not smart nor cool for acting like it’s fucking good.

>Why are the steam deck people fighting with Switch
Literally the only way their threads get traction.

Do you guys even play, let alone own these things?

And you are a fucking faggot, end of the argument.

no

All portables are shit. Holy fucking christ. How many years has it been?

ive owned my steam deck for well over a month now and to tell you the truth, despite installing 1TB worth of games on there, i've played it collectively for about less than 5 hours lmao

It's better to fight something that doesn't compete with you so you have an easy victory rather than actually deal with real competition.

Still waiting for you to explain how steam deck isn’t chink shit

>2-3 times the price
I am actually quite enthusiastic about the idea of a handheld PC and I would not pay for the 512 GB steam deck because if I'm gonna pay $649 + tax for a PC it might as well be spent on regular Desktop PC upgrades. Aya Neo is WAY more expensive than that, and if I were to get a steam deck, it would probably be the $529 one.

My point is, not even valve can compete with the lower end price point version of their own product, what makes you think Aya Neo can compete at $1,385

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Itʻs better than windows, thatʻs for sure

>In which case it probably should be about 20% faster
The difference between 40fps and stable 60fps. I'll take it.

>I don't know how to use it therefore it is bad
fucking hate the Dunning-Kruger effect

I do. But I am the minority in this. Most people don't care about handhelds and the deck will fail because of this.

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they only had to bring this bitch, the pornstar and orb into quake champions to save it.

I also don't buy the first generation of anything. I don't care if I have an explicit lack of support; 1st gen anything is invariably trash.

The thing in the back looks heavy, can you really play it like a handheld console?

It’s not.

Smart move, considering they have openly said there will be a revision. And saying it so early makes me think they'll fall to the UMPC curse of trying to push a revision every year. Fuck that. I don't wanna pay over 500 pounds for something I am going to replace in a year.

It's something like 4 ounces heavier than the deck, but I prefer the weight distribution. it's not as wide, so a bit easier to hold. I really like the winmax, it's pretty comfortable.

Not comfortably

>Windows like a real computer
Faggot you dont even realize how bad windows is fucking you. The Reason why Valve uses a Linux based OS is because they can tune things more effectively then using Windows bloated fucking softaware and you seem to forget that Valve pretty much spearheads the entire PC gaming market if theres anybody that can free us from Windows and Apples bullshit its them.

It got parts made in china? yes, i or anyone else cant deny that.
it is made whit a propper supervision to make sure it reaches a certain standar of quality? Yes.
It is supperior to chink shit? Absolutly, chink shit at the very best can run gamecube/ps2 tier games while you see constant deck threads about how it can run elden ring or some other current AAA shit, that alone makes it superior.

>it is made whit a propper supervision to make sure it reaches a certain standar of quality? Yes.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
nigger, please be baiting

Don't bother even trying to explain it. They're clearly set in their ways and aren't listening to you, reminder that you're talking about someone that thinks a $1,385 product that's 20% faster than a $649 product (and that's if you get the top end version) is somehow in competition with one another.

>chink shit at the very best can run gamecube/ps2 tier games while you see constant deck threads about how it can run elden ring or some other current AAA shit, that alone makes it superior.
Hi

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Is that why the vast majority of games that aren't Elden Bing Bing run more consistently on Windows than on SteamOS?

>you're talking about someone that thinks a $1,385 product that's 20% faster than a $649 product (and that's if you get the top end version) is somehow in competition with one another.
how is the faster product not defacto the winner? because you pay more for it? Cool. is my walmart desktop the best one ever then?

Same here, I find the Deck really cool but I'm definitely waiting for a 2nd iteration before jumping in
Even if it takes a couple of years

Who knows if Valve will even push out a revision of the Steam Deck and how far out it will be? Even with VR, it took Valve like 4 years to release the Index after the Vive in such a fast moving space. How much longer will it take for Valve in the UMPC space?

Bit it's not even faster lmao

>bro just buy this 1500$ piece of chinkware that's loud as fuck and performs within 5% error of the steam deck!
fuck off

did we not just establish that it's 20% faster? You need to walk that back now so that you can have an argument?

Works on my linux Machine™
I have yet to run into a game I play that doesn't run.

It's like saying someone who's after a RTX 3090 is the same audience as someone who's after a GTX 1060, yeah they're both PC GPUs, but the audiences are different, the 1060 owner is aware they're not getting 3090 performance, but that's why they're paying less. No fucking shit a 3090's faster, but you're paying way more money to just play fucking Doom and indie games like you've always been doing.

>it's another hidden tendie seethe thread

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>it is made whit a propper supervision to make sure it reaches a certain standar of quality? Yes.

Lol

>It's like saying someone who's after a RTX 3090 is the same audience as someone who's after a GTX 1060
I think they ARE the same audience, because all you have to do to make the 1060 buyer into the 3090 buyer is offer the correct incentive. A good incentive is price. If 3090's were only 100 bucks more expensive than a 1060, then they would get one instead.

Yeah but you're speaking in pure hypotheticals that don't exist in reality. If you sold the Aya Neo Next at the same or similar price as the steam deck's upper tier, then it would be competition, like, actual competition, because you're then selling between neck and neck prices based on pure merit, but I'm not after a steam deck for pure merit, I'm after it because it's a cheap but reasonably capable handheld PC, something the aya neo next is not. I am not the target audience for Aya Neo Next, because I will never spend above $700 for just a handheld PC, because I'm also factoring in the additional costs of SD cards and shit. Hell, I wouldn't even buy the $649 steam deck, I consider THAT too expensive for a handheld PC, I'd be getting the mid tier one.

Okay, but we should also admit that people will be on a sliding scale. there are those who would pay 700, and fewer who would pay 800 and fewer who would pay 900, and so on. So they're the same audience, with the right incentive.

I would be all for the prices coming down, but I don't think AYA and GPD can do it. They don't have the clout to make deals with AMD in the same way my local corner shop can't strongarm grain suppliers for better prices. So for a better device, I will pay those higher prices (considering OTHER criteria are met)

>it is made whit a propper supervision to make sure it reaches a certain standar of quality? Yes.
KEK

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