(1/3)
The plot in ME2 does nothing to set up a sequel, conveys no useful information about the antagonists and its structure makes no sense. The Alliance and Council not even being concerned about the Collector attacks is an asspull. Shepard is given a list of specific people for his mission... a mission that he has no real understanding of. What is behind the Omega 4 Relay? Nobody knows. How many Collectors are there? Nobody knows. How will we stop them when we go through with our one little stealth ship? Nobody knows. What equipment will we need? Nobody knows. What sort of skills? Nobody knows. How do we know there's not a hundred turrets pointing at the relay's other side and that's the reason no ship returns from the trip? We don't.
Why choose to kill Shepard off at the start of the game only to revive him in the very next cutscene? And then go through the whole game without any existential crisis? Why does a Sole Survivor have no problems working with the rogue black-ops group that scarred him for life? You're railroaded into working with Cerberus without the dialog letting you object, or challenge TIM about Cerberus' past, or reasonably explain his circumstances to the Council or the Virmire Survivor
>the Collectors ambush and destroy the SR1 but abduct nobody. Why not?
>Shepard's body survives atmospheric reentry. How?
>Shepard is important not because of his skills, or what he's accomplished; not because of the cipher, or his Ilos knowledge... but rather because he's now "a hero, a bloody icon"... why?
>if he's important, why do the Collectors not care if they kill or capture him?
>if he's so much of an icon, why isn't he believed or followed by anyone but his squad?
>where did Mordin get the Seeker Swarm bug he made the pre-Horizon protection from?
What the fuck were they thinking?
(2/3)
>if the Alliance truly doesn't care, why are they putting turrets on Horizon? Moreover, why the fuck weren't they working? The only thing you do is turn them back on, meaning if they had worked from the get go the Collectors would've straight up not been able to do jackshit
>if the Collectors attacked Horizon because the Virmire Survivor was there and they're connected to Shepard, why did they not abduct them? They managed to take half the colony including Lilith who was talking with the Virmire Survivor and was frozen a few meters away from them, yet the Virmire Survivor was left alone?
>if Cerberus are such a competent and secretive shadow faction, why are they brandishing their logo on everything, including ships they'll dock in the Citadel?
>why would Cerberus even TRY to have Shepard recruit Jack of all people? What's the logic?
>considering TIM knows about indoctrination, what the hell was Cerberus' plan on the Derelict Reaper?
>why do we care so little about the Derelict Reaper when it is so much more useful to our overall goal (stopping the Reapers) than stopping the Collectors is? Why do we not tell anyone about it?
>why did everyone have to leave the Normandy for no reason, even when I have no loyalty missions left, to do some test for no apparent purpose other than to set the ship up to be defenseless if the Collectors attack?
>why do the Collectors abduct the Normandy's crew but not try to blow it up afterwards, when it was an empty sitting duck and it would've effectively destroyed any chance Shepard had of stopping them?
>how did the Collectors miss Veetor when nobody else has found any evidence of their attacks and no witnesses? You're telling me Freedom's Progress was the very first colony in years that had at the very least one non-human resident?
>why do Shepard and co. seriously humour the idea of the Collectors attacking Earth when just two shitty human defense turrets are enough to scare off their ship?
(3/3)
>why do none of the steps pre-Suicide Mission involve at least ATTEMPTING to get intel?
>why, in the Suicide Mission, does the door jam even if you pick the correct Tech Expert but the wrong Fireteam Leader?
>why the Human Reaper? Seriously, what the fuck
>why can't you say you're destroying the Collector Base for fear of indoctrination and not some stupid reasoning about "muh morals"?
I fucking hate Mass Effect 2 so much it's unreal
1 > 3 > 2
you should focus more on what makes mass effect really interesting, like all the lewd femshep pics
yeah this is what happens when you fire your writer and hire a bunch of jews. why do people complain about this shit? or expect things to be good and then get upset when they're not? i remember in high school trying to break it to my friend that me3 was going to be a disaster narratively after watching him play this game on release and he couldn't believe it. either i have prophetic powers or you people are just actual fucking npcs. this isn't exclusive to vidya either, movies and tv and comics and everything are the same. people will pore over volumes of material analyzing what went wrong when you just need to look at wikipedia or imdb or whatever and see who wrote it. is it kurtzman? lindeloff? anyone of these types of hacks that will crash and burn a great franchise and then just get hired again on a big project because of jewish nepotism? then it's shit, simple as. anyone who gets upset or acts like this is a puzzle to solve deserves the fucking gas chamber just like the jew writers they can't recognize.
Hello extranet friends! Here is my latest study on Asari mating preferences and behavior. Mostly discussing the matron stage. The first 3 centuries of an asari’s life cycle.
The average Asari cross species mating data is as follows:
>47390 humans (based on current trajectories)
>32443 krogans
>21002 turians
>14390 elcor
>16300 salarians
>27325 hanar
>2492 keepers
>2450 batarians
>8720 quarians
>10000 varren
>6270 klixen
>18820 Asari (Secretly)
>7450 drell (there’s not many of them)
>732 pod crabs
>20345 pyjaks
>1 prothean (Javik has nightly visits)
>2 yahg (some Asari breeched quarantine just to fuck one)
>4580 vorcha
>0 Volus
No gender was factored in because Asari mate without regard to gender.
Mass Effect 2 effectively destroyed any chances Shepard's story had of being good and people are blinded to that fact to this very day, more news at 11.
By the end of ME1 Shepard already had a ship, a mandate and a team; the only thing that was needed was for a character to point him at a mission that would advance his goal. Instead ME2 decides to put Shepard on a leash and instead of at the very leyhanding the leash to a trusted character, it gives it to a literal who. You must take orders from TIM, and you have to take TIM’s word on things. TIM is the character with agency in this story. TIM picks the team, TIM holds all the intel, TIM chooses the missions, and TIM decides when you’ll carry them out (what's that, you want to keep exploring the galaxy? Get fucked, TIM wants to speak with you in the comm room and by god you'll speak with him even if it means disabling the CIC map). Not only does ME2 upend the structure and obliges itself to introduce lots of new characters and ideas in a short time, it also does it in a way that will maximize player resistance unless you're a big enough idiot to go along with what TIM tells you because he's "le cool looking"
i played through ME2 like once when it was first released and i thought it was alright, maybe not as good as ME1 but it wasn't bad or anything
I FUCKING HATED HAVING TO WORK WITH CERBERUS
I HATED THAT THEY CHEATED ME OUT OF MY QUTIE ALLIANCE SOLDIER GF BECAUSE OF IT
I HATED HAVING TO DEAL WITH THAT BITCH MIRANDA
I HATED EVERY MINUTE OF IT, I BLEW UP THE COLLECTOR BASE JUST TO MAKE TIM MAD BECAUSE OF IT
FUCK YOU MAC WALTERS
>this is what happens when you fire your writer
I don't know how to tell you this but Drew Karpyshyn worked on ME2
TLDR
Max Walters was the lead writer, he was most likely responsible for that Cerberus shit
ME's writing was shit since the first game
>have irrefutable evidence of the contents of the prothean beacon
>alien species can probe minds at will exists
>literally no one is interested in an understanding of beacons that shot tech foward generations at a time
>but saren can be ousted with a singular voice recording that could've been easily doctored
>Only choice you have virmire is who to nuke, no one even considers taking the info saren has acquired on the genophage to use for later, including the person who was willing to die for it
>Max Walters was the lead writer
They both were, you can check the credits yourself. There was no "firing of main writer", and every single bit of the main plot Cerberus or no Cerberus is fucking abymsal.
1 > 3 > Andromeda > 2
>asking a respectable politician to do the asari equivalent of sloppy kissing with a human soldier just to see a bunch of broken fuzzy images that won't mean jackshit unless you already believe in the Reapers
I refuse to believe working for Cerberus was Drew’s idea. But like ME2 story was one about shipfagging so my disappointment I couldn’t romance legion is insurmountable. I needed someone calculated in my life, but BioWare probed too normie for that.
Cope harder.
>Millions of flies eating shit can't be wrong!
Legion as mishandled in general and attaching his recruitment to a timed condition was so BS
Ok, I will cope harder.
none of this is bad writing
you're one of those midwits who thinks the eagles should have flown the ring to mount doom
>empty reskinned maps with copy pasted content vs a minigame that takes 5 seconds
I know which one I prefer
>respectable politician
Lmao. And I never specified the asari councilor would be doing it herself, obviously trained asari scientists would perform the task as they SHOULD be very interested in the cipher, what with their secret beacon and all
>equivalent of sloppy kissing
Do you get turned on when the doctor's finger is in your butt during a prostate exam? Clinical procedures are not at all sexy
>bunch of fuzzy images won't mean anything
My guy Shepard has both the beacon and the means to understand them in his brain, anyone with a vested interest in galactic politics would be freaking out at the prospect of being able to share the prothean experience to better utilize other beacons given they propelled most species into galactic level civilization.
>Gameplay opportunities; new loot, combat, locations.
vs.
>Click on the planet for 10 minutes
Now, this is COPE.
this one of course
>my opinion correct, your opinion wrong. You npc me not
Grow up, Mass Effect 1 sucked compared to 2.
>no one being interested in a walking Rosetta stone of the species who supposedly invented the tech they all rely on isn't bad writing
My guy go watch Star Trek TNG then play ME and tell me how Shepard being the ciper and no one caring isn't poor writing
>The plot in ME2 does nothing to set up a sequel,
One line in and I already don't care about your opinion. The problem is that it abandoned everything that made ME good to appeal to idiots.
>The problem is that it abandoned everything that made ME good to appeal to idiots
Like what? The Mako sections?
The eagles explicitly tell Dumbledore that they don't carry burdens in the books, feel free to point to where the games justify their apathy to the singular biggest scientific discovery in their lifetimes.
>respectable politician
One of the three Citadel Councilors, literally the most importat politicians in the whole Milky Way
>obviously trained asari scientists would perform the task as they SHOULD be very interested
Why should they? Liara is interested because she specifically is a geek for protheans, but why would others care that deeply? Beacons are known to contain info, but the specifics of which are unknown. A beacon could contain blueprints for a nuke, or the prothean equivalent of a VHS tape that recorded a show rerun
>in the cipher
The cipher has nothing to do with the Eden Prime vision
>what with their secret beacon and all
Something that only the highest ranking matriarchs in asari space knew. The Councilor learned about it five minutes before telling Shepard in ME3, it was their biggest kept secret
>Clinical procedures are not at all sexy
Mind melding is not clinical
>anyone with a vested interest in galactic politics would be freaking out
You don't seem to understand that for or all she cares, Shepard could have seen a piece of some prothean apocalyptic fiction. Neither humans nor asari are the target audience for this form of media, and even the actual expert on protheans finds it hard to make sense of it. There is no point in knowing that Shepard genuinely believes seeing some frightening jumbled mess. A councilor's job focuses on Citadel politics and diplomacy, it does not involve wild goose chases
Fucking based. 2 took a perfectly fine RPG with a good solid universe and setting and turned it into a shitty action game and entirely soured all the world building done in the first game rather than build on it.
Mako levels were trash
>hurr durr i drive around on empty copy pasted planet number 501050
DURRRRR
Ah, yes; the seal of quality.
She looks like she fuck varrens.
Don't forget the fact that helmet cams canonically exist in the ME universe, but for some reason they are only used once in the entire story during the opening section of Eden Prime and never again afterwards. Imagine if Shepard or someone recorded the shit that went down on Virmire, Ilos, Feros, or Noveria, and how much drama that would have spared us with the Council. And don't get me started on the grounding of the Normandy, and how Udina and Anderson suddenly the turn on you even though they were adamant on stopping Saren at all cost. How the Council decides to go full retard and not even secure the relays, even though they said that they would do that in case of a hostile attack. The plot of 1 is about as retarded if you look into the details, but no one will ever acknowledge that.
Thanks for proving that you truly are stupid.
>the problem with this game can only be X or Y, there's no way it shits the bed at both
They don't have to justify it.
>Why would people care about being able to fully understand the objects that propelled their civilizations forward hundreds if not thousands of years
Pls say syke
>the cipher has nothing to do with eden prime vision
No but it and the cipher are irrefutable evidence to the end of the protheans, which is what Shepard was trying to prove.
>mind melding isn't clinical
Liara does it not even 24 hours after meeting Shepard and neither seems too embarrassed by it.
>You don't seem to understand that for or all she cares, Shepard could have seen a piece of some prothean apocalyptic fiction
Oh well in that case let's just not preserve the means to understand ancient space artifacts that single handedly put all of life on the galactic stage.
>Anderson suddenly turns on you
what are you talking about user, he either punches Udina or is fucking shot for you to escape
Only after you beg him to do it. He initially doesn't oppose the Coucils decision, and basically just leaves you there.
>why would people care about being able to fully understand the beacon
Because there's no beacon anymore, it blew the fuck up. The **only** thing that remains from the beacon is Shepard's vision
>it and the cipher are irrefutable evidence to the end of the protheans
Are they? Again, they show a weird vision showing Ilos and Sovereign. That's it. From there to "this means there's a race of robot squids that genocided the protheans" there's quite a stretch
>Liara does it not even 24 hours after meeting Shepard
Did you miss the part where she's retarded socially and the only thing she cares about in her life are the protheans, moreso than any other person in the world? Hell yeah she wouldn't miss the opportunity to inspect a prothean vision, whatever its contents may be. Plus remember she already believed in the protheans genocide
>Only after you beg him to do it
user, have we played the same fucking game? He waits until you've all left the Council chambers then sends you a message to meet in in a bar
Then don't get upset when people rightfully point out how flimsy the world building is in regards to what I'm talking about then
what you're talking about is utterly meaningless in the context of the narrative
Oh my God user please don't tell me you think the eden prime beacon is the only one. The cipher could be used on the OTHER beacons, the ones that LITERALLY PROPELLED EVERYONE INTO THE SPACE AGE. Like imagine what else they could gleam from those with a proper understanding of the tech and language.
All you'd really get from an asari besides Liara watching the vision is the same evidence Shepard had already presented as well as his conviction in his interpretation of said evidence. At no point in the game does the Council ever call you a liar after becoming a Spectre, they simply feel Shepard's conclusions are erroneous, that Saren was using the circumstances to convince him of a certain story to try and hide his true agenda
user I literally said world building in my post. Obviously it doesn't change the events of the game but it makes everyone in the universe look like retards because I guess the entire galactic scientific community has no vested interest in the species that supposedly built the framework of their entire civilization.
>What is behind the Omega 4 Relay?
That's suppose to be a mystery though. You're acting as if ME1 told us everything about Saren, the Reaper and Geth from the get go, when that wasn't a thing. Same thing here. What's behind the Omega 4 relay was suppose to be unknown until you actually reached the damn thing.
>redditfrog
Go back
>The cipher could be used on the OTHER beacons
And I'm sure the sequel taking place after Saren has been stopped will be clever enough to do that or at the very least mention the Cipher at all and not ignore it entirely; but during ME1 Shepard is a Spectre in the middle of an active mission, you're saying he should make time out of tracking Saren to go use himself as a Google Translator with legs for a few weeks?
Here’s what they were thinking
>Cerberus sounds cool
>let’s make them the focus
You can trace every retarded decision back to this line of thought
It still hurts. Fuck EA, fuck dudebros and especially fuck the people who defend ME dying an undignified death with 2.
He doesn't even need to do that, just share the info with one asari then they can share it further with their MIND SHARING POWERS. Like I could understand if Shepard himself was needed to interpret the info but there's an entire race of blue people who can transfer info via space magic
the setting exists to serve the story
mass effect is not about the logistics of a man turning into a walking rosetta stone
>OTHER beacons, the ones that LITERALLY PROPELLED EVERYONE INTO THE SPACE AGE
You're confusing beacons with prothean technology in general. The only three beacons we know of in the trilogy are the one on Eden Prime, the one on Virmire and the hidden one on Thessia. Humanity was launched to the space age and the meeting of other species via the prothean archives on Mars, but there was no beacon involved.
It wouldn't be so bad if one of the origins for Shep wasn't extremely anti cerberus. Feels like they completely forgot about the plot point until Tali I think it was mentions the thresher maw that did in she's squad.
It's telling that the only defence of ME2's direction comes from people trying to deflect to ME1.
There's one particular dipshit, who I expect to turn up any time now, who insists that it was in fact 1 that's to blame for the reapers turning up in 3 with no way to combat them, and flat out refuses to acknowledge 2 could have done anything to stop this being an issue.
What do you mean humanity found a beacon on Mars, that's what prompted them to turn on their relay.
Funniest part is Sole Survivor is the default backstory for the pre-made John Shepard from ME1. Plus they had enough balls to mention it in LotSB.