ELDEN RING LORE THREAD

They also have similar crests.

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>close ties
The Nox plotted with the Sellians with assassinate Carians confirmed

damn it really seems like we're making some headway here, maybe some anons want to chime in?

Well i gotta sleep but I don't want the lore thread to die, especially when our resident troll got BTFO so badly.
Do we have any sensible explanation for how shards of the Ring were available/accessible before the Ring was shattered? How did Radagon just randomly gift Rennala a rune?

It’s interesting a group of people that got booted for treason has a tie to Absolutions.

very strange thing to get hung up on

The moon's chosen people shall inherit the world.

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Anyone else noticed that there's a lot more stars in the sky in Moonlight Altar? Normally you can't see it because the fog everywhere, but if you walk down into those basement things in Lunar Estate Ruins or Moonfolk Ruins the fog recedes and you can see a lot more stars in the sky than anywhere else.

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ranni and melina are the same person, right?

no. anyone that says otherwise is a schizo

Zanzibart

>dead thread
So there's nothing to discover or only burger schizos ran these threads

the latter. yuros lack the creative spark us burgers possess

Why does Blaidd become hostile if you kill a rune bear? I would get it if he showed some affection for animals and in particular bears during his questline but there is none so this does not make any sense.

The bear hit him

I wonder how distant are the other countries/continents from the the Lands Between.

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why are they not the same? ranni is the only one who makes any reference to malina, they both have the cursemark on an eye, we know ranni's face is not her real face but the face of her mentor, they seem to have similar goals, ranni basically started all the events that led to the current state of elden rings world and melina is the one who guides you through it, there are already a bunch of examples of two characters actually being one in the game (radagon/marika, margit/morgott, likely hyetta/irina), ranni is the only one you can become betrothed to and melina is your maiden. there's probably more but it's late and i can't think right now.

What are those martyrs all across limgrave that make those moans? What were they martyred for?

Heretics

>thinking
>in a souls type

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user melina is not ranni.
>they seem to have similar goals
one wants to go to the night sky and the other wants to burn herself to burn a tree. these are not similar goals
>and melina is the one who guides you through it
to be quite honest she doesnt do much guiding
>ranni is the only one you can become betrothed to and melina is your maiden.
finger maidens are very very different from a wife user

was sellen turning herself into a ball
>a part of her plan
or
>an accident

a part of her plan

The Nox created homunculi as a slave race, did human sacrifices for power, and tried to brainwash people to be more slaves while bowing to stars that tried to brainwash them into being slaves. The Nox did a ton wrong, and they were probably going to get wrecked by an Astel even if the Greater Will didn't send one to them as poetic irony.

It's not absolution, it's trying to make the stars brainwash people into not caring about your crimes. It's why the stars don't care if you kill someone, since there's no one to brainwash.

>as a slave race
source?
>did human sacrifices for power
source?
>tried to brainwash people to be more slaves while bowing to stars that tried to brainwash them into being slaves
the only example you have of nox puppeteering people is two people that literally willingly became puppets. you have no idea why they willingly decided to do so, yet you continue to peddle your brainwash schizo theory
>Use to summon the spirits of a nightmaiden and a swordstress. These sisters, members of a cold-blooded race who wield flowing weapons, became puppets of their own volition.
also fate = brainwash is retarded

>Tha Nox were good boys, dey dindu nuffin! Da GW just tryna keep a grey brotha down! Need mo' glintstone fo' dem rituals...

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Look at all the Silver Tears forced into grunt duty with friendly fire powers that make them die in droves. Silver Tears are also killed for certain armaments, their Larval Tears that Liurnia, inheriting Nokron's arts, uses for rebirthing and seem to be within Sellen's Primal Glintstone, etc. The human sacrifices tie into the Primal Glintstone Blade talisman being guarded by the ghost of Aurelia's sister at the Stargazer Ruins. The talisman is covered in blood and notes that ancient sorcerers would kill themselves to power up Glintstones for sorceries, and the ghost sealing the path to it, along with the twins' graves being nearby, suggest that they were sacrificed.

The Starlight Shards and Amber Starlight note that the stars try to control people, and they are the key ingredients in Seluvis' twisted poisons -- poisons that he says have a history that predates him. Nokron looked to the stars for "fates" and used the same potions, with the two Nox puppets we find only being unique for willingly becoming puppets. This means that everyone else who was a puppet in Nox society had it forced upon them, a la Seluvis.

The fates are a form of direct control, seen with the Starlight Shards and Amber Starlight, and also represent having to let an outer god effectively manipulate one's life to use things like the Fingerslayer Blade, which isn't even the only way to kill a Two Fingers, judging from their corpses atop the Divine Towers.

I still don't get how the eternal cities ended up underground. Is Liurnia, Caelid, etc just built above debris from meteors? They got teleported like astel does?

Astel seems to have caused enough destruction to make the cities sink, or it built some kind of warped meteorite nest above the cities.

So who in the fuck is Melina? Is she the dusk eyed queen?

Probably a bug. Skybox changes in every major area. Thats the liurnia skybox

Shes Malenia

I don't think silver tears are sentient dude

there is cut content of an NPC one that was

Flew too close to the sun, deservedly so
The way she speaks about leading the academy surely implies what she got was not what she anticipated at least for a while

>cut content
Not canon, eat shit.

Cut content isn't canon

>Silver Tears are also killed for certain armaments, their Larval Tears that Liurnia, inheriting Nokron's arts, uses for rebirthing and seem to be within Sellen's Primal Glintstone, etc.
this is a practice done exclusively by above-ground humans though. and if the nox created silver tears, and thus the larval tears they have, why would they need to kill them for their larval tears, or anything else they drop?
>The human sacrifices tie into the Primal Glintstone Blade talisman being guarded by the ghost of Aurelia's sister at the Stargazer Ruins.
nothing implies that stargazer ruins was ever inhabited by the nox, stargazer ruins doesnt even have nox architectural style. once again the only people we see messing around with primal glintstone stuff are above-ground humans, nox are never implied or stated to have used primal glintstone anything
>The Starlight Shards and Amber Starlight note that the stars try to control people
why are you conflating "commanding fate" with "brainwash and control people"?
>poisons that he says have a history that predates him
source? i dont recall seluvis saying anything like that.
>with the two Nox puppets we find only being unique for willingly becoming puppets. This means that everyone else who was a puppet in Nox society had it forced upon them, a la Seluvis.
>An old puppet crafted in the Eternal City. Use to summon the spirits of a nightmaiden and a swordstress. These sisters, members of a cold-blooded race who wield flowing weapons, became puppets of their own volition.
nothing about their description implies that them willingly becoming puppets was something strange or unique in nox society.
>which isn't even the only way to kill a Two Fingers, judging from their corpses atop the Divine Towers.
do we even know if those fingers were killed by anybody in particular? none of them bear any specific wounds besides the usual stuff the fingers in the roundtable hold also has.

No one seemed to know about Shabriri. We never once see someone intentionally destroy their flesh upon death to stop him possessing them post death.
Ranni does that, but that isn't her reason for doing it. But...

Everyone that knew is dead. Killed by Shabriri.

You'd think he wouldn't have struck out constantly with no one knowing his schtick. Usually the constant failure in a situation like this is because people learn what you are and it sours your whole game.

Vyke fell for it but he might have been the first and Shabriri probably isn't in communion with the 3 fingers. No one knew not to take the armor off, it was probably the first time someone got that far.

Lore behind this?

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they were planning for fia to be a seductress and then stab you while you were ogling her

Worth it.

They didn't. The nox built the eternal cities after being banished underground.

The above-ground humans appear to have inherited the magical culture of Nokron, with Sellia, a town in close contact with Liurnia, even having lifts leading down into the city. The Fallen Hawks, a band of slaves noted in the Greatshield Soldier Ashes and other items, were even sent on such an expedition into Nokron, so the magics of the surface seem to originate from down there, and Sellia's assassination spells in particular are based on the night that Nokron worshiped. As for Larval Tears, they might only exist in a living Silver Tear, or, as the item implies, they might be the core body. To have a Larval Tear requires having a created life, and thus killing one to make a Sellen body-hopping Glintstone.

The Stargazer Ruins are tied to the astrologers, whose astrological practices were also present in Nokron, and the Nox worshiped the black moon, tying into the darker elements of sorceries noted in the Primeval Current spells. The Sword of Night and Flame can even use Comet Azur. As for "fate", it's a force that makes someone's decisions and life not their own, and with Seluvis' potions, we see that the star shards literally make someone lose control of their life and become a pawn. The Starlight Shards description says that they were prized items in the Eternal City used for such draughts, and Seluvis notes, if you find his lair, that "normally one of your stature would never be allowed" to have a puppet, as if there's a history and cultural status symbol to it. Willingly becoming puppets only seems noted for just those two Nox women, and it's a miserable enough state of life that the instant some "puppets" get a sliver of free will back, they kill Pidia. As for the Divine Towers Two Fingers, most of them are half-dissolved into dust rather than just being aged.

Astel's Remembrance says that Astel both destroyed the Eternal City and took its sky (burying it underground).

by destroying the eternal city it was talking about the nameless eternal city in deeproot depths that is completely destroyed. by taking away its sky it means that the nameless eternal city doesnt have the distinctive false night sky every other eternal city (nokron and nokstella) has, likely destroyed by the astel when it leveled the nameless eternal city

That's just an extension of Nokron/Nokstella, and we see that Nokron/Nokstella has a lot of damaged buildings too, along with Mohg having taken over an entire temple complex without a fight. Why would the Nox have a good connection to the moon and stars if they were underground looking at a painted ceiling the whole time? That doesn't make sense, they lost the sky when they were buried and couldn't see it.

It says it destroyed an eternal city (singular) and took away its sky, then Meteorite of Astel says it levelled the city. There's a nameless eternal city in Deeproot that is destroyed, levelled, and doesn't have the same false sky as Nokron and Nokstella. That's what Astel fucked up.

They also have fully modeled teeth for some unknown reason
>tfw no 3 meter tall twin Nox wives

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Why would an Astel need to take such a sky when the Erdtree's roots would already do the trick? Also, the lost Eternal City is referred to as Nokron by everyone, and Nokron/Nokstella are essentially treated as the exact same place.