ELDEN RING LORE THREAD

Marika literally ordered people to hunt down TWLID and chop off the horns of omen babies which killed most of them. that was the golden order. she used her free will to make it that way. im asking why couldn't she go one step further and make a mending rune that does that all for her instead of doing it the hard way like a normal government

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GO hunts down TWLID

>Highly effective against Those Who Live in Death, even preventing them from rising again. The Golden Order has no mercy for those who trespass beyond life's bounds.
>There is no place in the Golden Order for those who have exceeded life's bounds. These blemishes must be hunted down by the Virtuous.

GO is a bunch of murdering bastards forcing their laws on people.

>Grace was brought to the very fringes and lowlands of the Lands Between. And with the Golden Order came the weight of its history. A history of conquest and subjugation.

GO is just a set of laws that can change cuz Radagon got horny.

>[325005030] Fascinating, isn't it?
>[325005040] That the Golden Order was pliable enough to absorb practices that contradicted itself in the past.

The GO mistreated Omen, even those part of the GO Royalty

>That the Omen King was born of the golden lineage, and that he was indeed the Lord of Leyndell.
>Omen babies born of royalty do not have their horns excised, but instead are kept underground, unbeknownst to anyone, imprisoned for eternity.
>Tricia was once known as a healer who dedicated her efforts to treating Misbegotten, Omen, and all those seen as impure.

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I love my wife Ranni!

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Though born one of the graceless Omen, Morgott took it upon himself to become the Erdtree's protector.
He loved not in return, for he was never loved, but nevertheless, love it he did.

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How did Marika and Godfrey meet? And how the fuck is Nepheli related to them?

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>look I screenshotted my own posts because nobody would read them so now I post them every thread

Let's talk about Godrick, he's single-handedly probably the most lore-relevant character to find out what happens during the First and Second siege of Leyndell.

Kenneth Haight has this to say:
>First he hid himself amongst the womenfolk to flee the capital, then hid from Radahn in that castle...
>Then he insulted Malenia, lost to her in battle, only to lick her boots rather than die like a man.
>Has he no shame, the big girl's blouse?
>And to think, he's the blood of Godfrey! Last of the golden lineage, though you almost wouldn't know it to look at him.

Mimic's Veil
>When Godrick was hounded from Leyndell, the Royal Capital, this was one of a multitude of treasures he took with him. Also known as "Marika's Mischief."
Specifically, he was hounded from the capital, meaning pursued, where he looted the treasury

IT sounds to me that Godrick is actually INSIDE the capital as the siege begins

Yet, we also have his relative Godefroy acting the capital as well:

Ancient Dragon Knight Kristoff:
>Spirit of Kristoff, an honorable knight of Leyndell who was also a devout worshipper of the ancient dragons. His skills strike down foes with thunderbolts, the dragons' weapon of choice.
>After the First Defense of Leyndell, Kristoff earned the hero's honor of Erdtree Burial for the feat of capturing Godefroy the Grafted.
So it seems like Godefroy is attacking the capital while Godrick is running away, so this to me, seems like a civil war between the GL.

We also have a picture of Radahn fighting Morgott, which likely means Radahn is a participant in attacking Leyndell and Morgott is defending it.

This leads me to believe this is what this monument means:
>The First Defense of Leyndell
Leyndell attacked
>A sovereign alliance rots from within
The "Sovereign alliance" are Marika's children, Sovereigns of the empire and they are engaged in a civil war.
>Traces yet remain of bloody conspiracy
Is just a nod to the NoBK which kickstarted all this shit, nobody knows who was behind it.

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After this he flees to stormveil from the capital with a retinue of soldiers:
Godrick Soldier Ashes
>Ashen remains in which spirits yet dwell. Use to summon the spirits of two of Godrick's soldiers.
>A duo of spirits, consisting of a wielder of devastating charged hammer attacks in the vanguard and a crossbowman bringing up the rear. The soldiers who serve Godrick the Grafted are what remains of the army that fled the royal capital of the Erdtree.
Where he hides from Radahn according to kenneth (jap text adds that he is terrified of him which makes me think Radahn is out for his blood). When he arrives, it seems like there is already a dedicated faction of soldiers (banished knights and exiled soldiers) there that are all under this picrel stylized hawk banner.
>Top is O'neil flag
>middle is a carpet in stormveil
>Bottom is a banished knight shield
I think these men were banished from the capital prior to the wars, and were Golden Lineage related but I am still not entirely sure. They accept Godrick however and save him and his men.
There he is holed up protected by his own men, these banished soldiers and trolls, the front of his castle is damaged and he has all his defenses pointed south, so this makes me think Radahn is having skirmishes with him.
Then, Malenia walks through Liurna and they have some sort of fight, where Godrick is defeated and humiliated. Godrick "licks her boots" but in the jap text it says "Swears obedience" so I think he basically lets her boss him around, Malenia does not take his great rune at this time.
Then Malenia pushes into Caelid where she fights Radahn and blooms, turning the area into aids. O'neill is a veteran of the battle, where he has the stormveil banner in picrel as a weapon drop. which claims "his lord was fled" which makes me think Godrick pulled a patches and dipped.

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She has nothing to do with Marika she's daughter of Godfrey while he was being a manslut after Marika told him to leave

Didn't see need a Lord and he was the absolute strongest at the time?

On this note, if you go check out the battlefield outside Leyndell, it is LINED with Exiled soldier shields and Banished knight armor everywhere, with a different hawk banner, similar to the secondary heraldry in Stormveil, so I think this is the point where Godrick goes back with these men and tries to take the capital during the second defense of Leyndell.
When this happens, I don't know.
What is find very interesing though, is the defenders that make the monument refer to the attackers as "heroes"

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Lads in the starting opening cinematic, are the tarnished raised from the dead and beckoned back to the lands between? Or in some zombified state in the catacombs? And why does Godfrey look like he's getting impaled and tortured on some pike?

What do you think?

The former

I havent a clue any lore theories or lore chads I interact with all seem to fall apart after 1 or 2 follow up questions but I still cant knock the need to know what the fuck is going on.

>The more I look into the schizo theory the Scopion Stinger is an astel tail the more it actually makes sense.

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they’re probably annoyed at explaining something that should be obvious
>In Marika's own words. Then, after thy death, I will give back what I once claimed. Return to the Lands Between, wage war, and brandish the Elden Ring. Grow strong in the face of death. Warriors of my lord. Lord Godfrey.
Melina church dialogue

Marika's quotes seem to indicate they left The Lands Between, died, and then were beckoned back (magically, presumably). As for why he's pinned to a tree, that's just how he died

Look, guys, fellas, buds, the posts are going to continue until we reach some kind of conclusion here. The community is clearly wildly split on Malenia's lore and that's an obvious open question that we should hammer out.
I personally think she bloomed for the third time in the phase transition and became a goddess like the description says. I think her 2nd bloom was Radahn, and her first bloom is a mystery.

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Hoarah Loux' corpse is strung up in a tree and impaled, cause that's how he died, or what was done to his corpse after death. The intro shows grace being returned to the tarnished, bringing them back to life.

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the remembrance

Gideon knows the scarlet aeonia spell regardless of if you kill malenia
Gideon having the spell means the spell exists prior to fighting Malenia
That means the description for the spell exists prior to fighting Malenia
That means she has bloom 2x prior to you fighting her
Q.E.D.

I don't know why you're so obsessed with this piece of lore you fucking weirdo, either she is a full goddess and that's the last we see of her or she's not and she's DLC bait, it's very simple. Writing endless paragraphs of batshit headcanon with no basis won't change what Miyazaki decides to do

Hey schizo man, I am fighting the astel and his tail is very hairy, you might want to go get a screen capture.

he has 20iq points and actual autism, just ignore him and his wojak chart

That makes sense, I imagine Godefroy and Radahn were allies when they attacked Leyndell the first time. Radahn is a huge Golden Line fanboy, after all.

When Godefroy got captured, the soldiers loyal to the GL probably went to Godrick, whom Radahn didn't respect, so their alliance probably fell apart.

Malenia then conquered Stormveil and "vassalized" Godrick and pushed him and his army against Radahn.

I dunno if Malenia and Rykard's forces played a part in any of the sieges.

I wouldn't be surprised if future DLC focused more on the Godfrey and his past & future after being exiled. Probably on the badlands we hear about.

>>The more I look into the schizo theory the Scopion Stinger is an astel tail the more it actually makes sense.
you have to be the same person who keeps posting that picture.

You can see a clear evolution from basic Fallingstar beast tail up to adult Astel, and none of them look like a Scorpion Stringer

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based retard, comes into a lore thread to screech about people wanting to discuss lore

I'm not, but there are a lot of weird coincidences. It's still unsupported though.
Thanks for pointing that fellingstar beast thing out to me though, I didn't see that.

>That means the description for the spell exists prior to fighting Malenia
It doesn’t though, Gideon doesn’t get item descriptions

Its aaid that the Inner Walls of Leyndell never fell, but there is some war damage inside. It could have been from the dead dragon, but maybe it started when the Greater Runes were handed out, and everyone was around the city with their armies.

Some fight, some run out, Morgott counts coup

nope I'm the scorpion stinger guy

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Right...right.

The whole Godrick flees Leyndell thing alludes to a civil war no matter how you look at it.
>Godrick is attacking with Godefroy, he gets in (not supported btw) decides bail. This indicates they attacked their own homeland
>Godrick is friendly with city inhabitants, thinks the walls will fall and runs the fuck away, being hounded FROM the capital. This means Godefroy and he were on opposite sides of the attack
>Godrick starts in the city, and is allied with Godefrey. The city is unfriendly to him and wants him out, hounding him out of the capital. Still sounds like a civil war.

What caused Rennala to become mind broken?

Realizing she married a tranny?
Heartbroken at the loss of Radacock?
Somu foul play from Marika & Radagon?

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Given that Radagon is a loyal weapon of the GO
and that Carian sorcery withered under the GO, its reasonable to think he was actively sabotaging the place, and probably deliberately mindbroke her.

Deep L on Marika's Mischief
>One of Godric's treasured possessions, also known as "Marika's Play", which he took with him when he was forced to flee the royal city

that just sounds like a translation foible, not a "Deep L"

Marika and the Golden Order were directed and limited by the Greater Will, were they not? Isn't Marika's shattering of the Elden Ring her great act of defiance that creates the possibility for someone to recreate it by their own will? That implies that she could not have just mended it on her own.

Yeah, pretty much

There's just nobody around who wants to discuss lore? Is the game that dead already?

kay, so in my autism I wanted to see what the thing was that triggers Blaidd to go nuts outside of Ranni's tower, and it isn't the completion of her questline. It's literally just picking up the ring in Rennala's room.

Now you can post all those cuck memes you wanted

OP pic is overdone.

That is essentially the end of her quest. All that’s left is beating Astel if you haven’t already to access the plateau.

>A sovereign alliance rots from within
>The "Sovereign alliance" are Marika's children, Sovereigns of the empire and they are engaged in a civil war.
>Traces yet remain of bloody conspiracy
>Is just a nod to the NoBK which kickstarted all this shit, nobody knows who was behind it.
I still maintain you've got this wrong. Sovereign Alliance is a term never used anywhere else, if it was just referring to Marika's children they'd say demigods, if it was referring to 'efroy and 'rick specifically they'd say Golden Lineage, it's much more likely the Sovereign Alliance refers to its own specific thing. And I still say Malenia was a part of it.
1. Rots is a very specific term to use.
2. Malenia was based out the Shaded Castle for a time
3. Her march south is marked in Liurnia, not anywhere before, despite the Haligtree being the northernmost point on the map; this suggests she marched south from the Shaded Castle
An alliance of sovereigns implies rulers of different lands banding together, which in this case would be Godefroy, Radahn, and Miquella (represented by Malenia, his blade), all rulers of their own land. NotBK being the bloody conspiracy (originally the conspiracy of blood) is too simple too, we can guess Mohg was active in Leyndell's defence (Morgott doesn't name him a traitor, the war-zones of Atlus are marked by his blood magic) and we know his true goals are kept secret (Morgott again, sewer Mohg, Gideon doesn't know who the Lord of Blood is) so he's a much stronger contender for a conspiracy of blood, and it directly ties one thing to the other (Miquella's kidnap leads to the alliance 'rotting' from within).

It's also worth noting we don't know when exactly Godrick was hounded from the capital. He could have sold Godefroy out to save his own ass in the first defence, and then been hounded out later. Random bit of headcanon, I think Morgott was using the veil (the veiled monarch) and Godrick stole it to try and out him as omen.

>she couldn't mend it on her own
???
she breaks it.
people say she even modified it before this, by removing the rune of death.

because taking the ring means she's offed the Baleful Shadow and is heading to kill the Two Fingers under the church. The Two Fingers would be trying their hardest to turn him against her as she's coming to kill them. Or the fingers are somehow necessary for his continued, sane existence
I dunno

why do you assume that having the ability to break something means you have the ability to put it back together? She still needs an Elden Lord.

[224060000] I presume you've spoken with Blaidd?
[224060010] Very well. There is something you should know.
[224060020] The Two Fingers gave Blaidd to Lady Ranni, as a faithful follower. Her very shadow, incapable of treachery.
[224060030] But if Lady Ranni, as an Empyrean, resists being an instrument of the Two Fingers,
[224060040] the shadow will go mad, transforming from a follower into a horrid curse.
[224060050] But such is his destiny. In such matters, Blaidd's own thoughts hold no weight.
[224060060] It pains me so, but he must be neutralised. For Lady Ranni's sake.

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So a God that has already shown she can modify HER Elden Ring is not capable of removing Omens from the natural laws.

But you, a tarnish of no renown, magically is? Ok then

She's being directly controlled and restrained by the Greater Will. You aren't

I haven't touched astel or stepped foot in the Plateau.

>She's being directly controlled and restrained by the Greater Will
Then how did she smash it? Or remove the rune of death?

How about Iji? was he still alive with the assassins around?

Nigga she gets immediately imprisoned in the tree and put in time-out when she breaks it. If she started modifying it on her own do you not think the Elden Beast/Two Fingers wouldn't have done the same thing?

Marika literally ordered people to hunt down TWLID and chop off the horns of omen babies which killed most of them. The GW NEVER punished her for doing these things. That was the golden order. She used her free will to make it that way. I'm asking why couldn't she go one step further and make a mending rune that does that all for her instead of doing it the hard way like a normal government

yeah that’s my point, that’s all that’s left
good job finding the exact trigger though, you should put that on a wiki or something

Last few weeks have been schizo shitshows so I assume people are avoiding it for a bit.

Miyazaki doesn't know what the story is

>ignores the rune of death question

>Last few weeks
Last two months

does anyone have a picture of the godskin hand gesture they make when resurrecting eachother? i'm tearing my fucking head out trying to find the post where an user notices that but i can't find it. please help me lads

I can shatter a vase by pushing it off of a table. It take very little effort. Perhaps the Greater Will was caught off-guard.

As for removing the Rune of Death, we don't know exactly when she did that, do we? Is there any reason to think she didn't do that with one of the other Elden Lords?

Iji only dies after you tell him that you killed Blaidd

>Marika literally ordered people to hunt down TWLID
Oh, you're this nigger? Nigger Marika was already imprisoned by the time TWLID started popping up, fuck off with your bullshit.
It's a loaded, irrelevant question. She didn't remove it, she got it from GEQ. She made the Golden Order under the guidance of the Two Fingers so her sealing DD was within their plans.

the erdtree was created the same way the haligtree created, through blood watering and the embedding of an empyrean into it. this is what the game meant by miquella understanding the nature of life. the man who created the erdtree is the man in pic related, who had tons of statues made of him. you can also see engravings of said old man being consumed by roots in some buildings.

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The assassins didn't show up until after you talk to Iji?

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