Is the original Shadow dead?

>There's also some that believe Shadow as never meant to die, but I think the evidence for that is pretty scarce.
Multiple people on the team have said Shadow was always meant to die and he was only revived due to popularity.

faggot

:(

Shame Sega completely dropped the possibility that Sonic might be the real result of Project Shadow while Shadow was a hastily made knock-off. Oh well, it lets Shadow be on par with Sonic.

I agree with him

Not because you like the lore but because you’re on Xbox

I miss SA2 level competent Eggman. I love how his opening level shows he's a huge threat to everyone other then Sonic and Shadow.

…but I have all the consoles :(

Forces made him competent again, but it was also Forces, so it has that working against it.

>There's no way anyone could survive that fall from earth.
Sonic survives just fine from falling from space in Sonic Advance 2. Even Cream's mom survives the fall.

What that user said about Shadow's game is true, however you can interpret this as Eggman pulling some lie out of his ass to motivate Shadow during the battle before time ran out.

Eggman recovers Shadow and put him in a tube that I assume heals him and helps keep him asleep while also cloning him for world domination (we see this in the Shadow Android route in Shadow the Hedgehog). Making sure nothing would happen to Shadow, Eggman places Omega in charge of guarding Shadow's room so no one tries to take him away. Unfortunately during Shadow's sleep Eggman was captured by a new and improved Metal Sonic and thrown into a prison which is also why Eggman left Omega on guard duty for so long because he was captured. (not that Omega really cares even if he knew of this because he would rather attack than defend anyway) and then at some point months later Rouge finds Shadow and frees him and makes friends with Omega. Now you have the full story.

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What's Omega's deal really anyway? I never played any games past Heroes, does he develop at all?

Not really he's the same he likes to fight and kill other enemies all the same. I won't spoil anything but he technically defeats a major character himself in one of the games

Those are androids

Yeah you have to wait and stall 6 minutes to get any real lore, like shadows epiphany at the end of adventure 2

I think he just has amnesia, which even after he realizes he is the real one still becomes the plot of shadow the hedgehog

He was originally meant to be a one of character for Adventure 2 which is why the series ends with his "death" or what was supposed to be. Multiple people who worked on the game confirmed it. Edgy kids grew attached so they brought him back. I still think it would be cooler if they waited longer than the next game for his return.

Why did metal keep eggman alive

Probably programmed in a way where while he was able to loophole into being able to do harm to him by capturing him he couldn't loophole into killing him.

Metal is powerful but not very smart, if he killed eggman he would have no one to build robot underlings and maintain his body.

Either that or he was cocky enough to think he could make eggman work for him or be useful to him in some way. It was honestly probably part of eggmans personality that made it into metal to make him think like that

This. It is revealed in Shadow the Hedgehog he is the original.

>like shadows epiphany at the end of adventure 2
what's that? I love SA2 but never knew there was something extra

"I see now... the ultimate lifeform... Sonic, I think it might be you!" (paraphrased)

sonic was saved by chip, you can literally see him protected by a forcefield right after the cutscene

Oh interesting!

This happens if you wait about 5 minutes during the fight when the final hazard starts to entre that atmosphere. Depending on if you are playing as Sonic or Shadow at the time, the inactive one has dialogue about the other one who is currently fighting
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fucking soul holy shit

I need to replay this

End of SA2 shadow is so fucking based
>loses his edginess
>shows genuine compassion and drive to right the wrongs of his past that were not even necessarily his fault
>Realizes that the people he has met along the way are important in filling the void of the ones who are now dead
>Relinquishes his superiority complex in favor of supporting the people around him

>The next games and media keep NONE of this character development

Why do games fucking do this man. Cloud in Final Fantasy 7 has this EXACT character arc and he too goes back to being moody just like shadow in the next game/movie/whatever

It's fucking tiring and makes the characters so bland. We have yet to see a shadow or cloud keep this growth in anything minus the finale of their respective games.

also:
>literally gives is own life to let Sonic live as a gift for helping teach him this lesson and as a parting gift to Maria

The only time a dramatic Sonic story line has ever done the characters correctly. Nu sonic just has no stakes whatsoever.

Something like this?

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I remember the experiment that created Sonic also turned Robotnik mad/evil in one of the comics

What happened is narratively retarded so you'll have to take it with a grain of salt.
>one of Eggman's robots somehow saved Shadow, it's unclear whether Shadow hit the ground or not but it's also not necessary to know
>while Shadow in his possession, Eggman creates 2 machines, the first being one designed specifically to contain Shadow, Omega, the second being a new addition to the Eggman Empire, the Shadow Androids
>with his army of Shadow robots complete, Eggman abandoned the original, leaving Omega a guard robot forever if it weren't for Rouge freeing Shadow
>Shadow suffers from amnesia, he only remembers 2 things, his name "Shadow the Hedgehog" and his title "the Ultimate Life-Form"
>Shadow's memories don't go any further until his own game, where he vaguely remembers running away with a girl named Maria who is promptly shot
>at the end of Shadow 05, Shadow's opinion on his past is basically "I don't care", so he puts the past behind him to live his own life and Eggman confirms that Shadow is the real deal
TLDR: Shadow should've stayed dead.

The only main line Sonic game where Shadow is playable but is is NOT the original Shadow is Sonic Heroes. That Shadow is a robot lone thing. The Shadow from the game "Shadow the Hedgehog" is the original Shadow.

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Don't forget that there's a crucial canon fucking lore detail that solved all of this Shadow being dead shit hidden in a 2001 Japanese only strategy guide that says the United Federation forced Gerald to work on Project Shadow for the purpose of creating immortality.

Rouge tells him at the end of Heros that she isn't sure if he is the real one, and Shadow the Hedgehog takes place immediately after. Then it's literally confirmed in Shadow the Hedgehog during the ending fight that the shadow you've been following for the past two games is the original.

There are 2 whole games about this question dummy

Is Shadow immortal?

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sega brought him back because he was too popular to stay dead, you can just choose to believe adventure 2 was the last canon sonic game and that he's still dead

>Shadow should've stayed dead
Sadly true. The game ended with him dying to achieve his ultimate purpose. Not only is there no way to develop a character beyond that but Sega turned his character into a joke in StH that's been running ever since.

It's easier to ignore Shadow The Hedgehog 2005's bs and just go with the fact that Shadow has convenient immortality.

Yes, although there is some vagueness if SA2's Shadow is even the 'original', he could be a clone of the original and has many lines in the jp script alluding to him not caring if he's the original or not.

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>Continuous use of your Super form will cause you to disappear
WHAT THE FUCK???

>The next games and media keep NONE of this character development
He had amnesia dude it was never intended from the get-go because he smashed his fucking skull into the earth

>Sega turned his character into a joke in StH that's been running ever since.
Not true they've been running with the same Shadow since 06 which is more or less someone who wants to get the job done regardless of what happens. IDW Shadow on the other hand would prove you right though

Bad comparison. Shadow has no stated excuse but Cloud got geo cancer and realized they didn't really stop the threat.

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I know that, I'm just saying it fucking sucks

Bad com

Meant to say: Bad comparison? Dude literally had amnesia. that is the biggest excuse, it's super lazy and ruined his character

>Shadow has no stated excuse
He loses his memory in the next game, that's the excuse. Much like Clouds cancer they undermine the development in the original game by adding something in the next one that seemingly came out of nowhere to make the character back to the same edgy guy. I'm not sure how that isn't an excuse

Cloud also literally saved the world from someone who basically obtained the power of a god. They both accomplished their goal at the end and had a new outlook.

I'm not sure how random cancer and random amnesia aren't on the same level of BS excuses for removing character development for you lol Both are added after the original story line

Even in Heroes, there was a scene where Omega is about to destroy the Shadow-clone factory and Rogue asks Omega if their Shadow is also a clone, and Omega just replies with something along the lines of "In order to create a clone an original must exist". So while it did not flat out conform it, it heavily was leaning towards either Team Dark's Shadow being the real Shadow or that the real Shadow is still out there.

Then the Shadow the Hedgehog game just simply flat out confirmed it.... if you sucked at the last boss.

Shadow should have had the yellow fake emerald in their Team Blast in Heroes instead of the real green one.

Just the fact alone that Metal had all those Shadow android pods and still seeked out the one locked with Omega to extract a DNA sample is proof enough he's the real one.

It stinks that the competence is primarily off screen. All we get is a time skip with no good scene of the Eggman Empire expanding to cover 99% of the planet. Then it almost immediately goes to feeling like a 50/50 split between Eggman Empire and the Resistance Army.

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