Can we expect characters from Deltarune to actually get mad during certain times if we DON'T use violence and we just keep being "nice"?
Think about it. This isn't a video game to them, this is their life. They aren't "playing" Deltarune like we are, they're living in it.
These are natural, flawed people with their own personal agendas and biases coming across a kid (you) who's some weird entity that doesn't posses any strong feelings one way or another and just "loves" everyone like a robot.
Love makes us all human but so does hate, EVERYONE feels these emotions. If you "just loved" or "just hated" then you wouldn't be human.
Your "perfectness" isn't normal in this world. It's weird, its unnatural. You're essentially just a muse with a directive to push all these lower lifeforms together into one big happy family when the fact of the matter is, some of them just aren't compatible. If everyone was a perfect fit for one another in this world then there would be no concept of individuality.
These characters don't posses a perfect moral compass like the player does. They can't necessarily see the best in people like you can. Some of them are probably just better off not being around each other and perhaps the game might turn that into a major point.
We saw a bit of it in Undertale with Toriel and Asgore but I feel like Deltarune is setting itself up to dive even deeper into this themeing.
Can we expect characters from Deltarune to actually get mad during certain times if we DON'T use violence and we just...
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I ain readin all that
the deer is cute tho. I wanna suck on her hoofs.
>Can we expect characters from Deltarune to actually get mad during certain times if we DON'T use violence and we just keep being "nice"?
That would be interesting to see
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>Can we expect the characters to get mad if we keep being "nice"?
Probably. Definitely with Toriel around.
It was heavily foreshadowed when fighting King. Since we never encountered what the dark world is like at night, along with how Seam implied it's not a good time, we're going to have some trouble. Likely, if we don't want Toriel to go off the deep end and burn shit down to protect us, we'll need to learn how to fight.
Also, your points are extremely reasonable and down-to-earth. I would be very happy to see the game address our meddling with Kris's social life. We've turned the kid into either a kindness robot or kill-machine.
If our choices really don't matter, then we'll see the theme of incompatibility and fallibility play out. Any "Freedom" we obtain would be at the expense of agency of another character, and the relationships we try to make will be hollow and fragile.
Might be cool, really.
Nice argument but they don't have a choice.
WHAT DOES IT MEAN
>so attached to this game that he willingly chooses to make LESS money from the only source of income
Based ambition chad.
Don't forget he's going to sell it eventually. I was surprised he gave away Chapter 2 but he already confirmed the next release will be paid and have 3/4/5
>Noelle or Susie going full Gon rage as they’re forced to watch the most evil motherfucker get away with killing their loved ones (while simultaneously being gaslit into thinking their tantrum is them “giving into villainy” when they’re just having a natural response that any normal person would have)
FUCKING KINO
I want to force Noelle on her knees and deepthroat-rape her face.
I want to mating press Susie, I want to mating press Catti/y
Game will be dead to me if I can't do either or
>Open kris plushie to see what's inside
What the fuck is this fucking dog dropping plot hooks on a random schizo post about merchandizing?
Calm down Kris
The game is clearly leaning towards a
>violence is sometimes necessary
Approach
>jevil actually joins you if you beat him violently instead of sleeping for centuries and he gives up more info about Ch2 via violence
>the queen boss fight is easier if you attack the shield which is objectively the best and fastest way to break it
>the only way to get both a pure crystal and the thorn ring so far is to abandon a snowgrave route at the last second
Also the hospital marbles dialogue change between routes
>on pacifist it says the marbles move grimly along their set path
>on snowgrave it mentions the blue marble broke off
he's either trying to avoid spoilers or trying to remain consistent with some sort of meta plot point about the main party being more than just characters
also ralsei is probably the crono of deltarune
Anyway. Sex.
>spoiler
He'll die for our sins and be optionally resurrected, just like Jesus-kun?
Proceed
yeah pretty much. i'm expecting this because toby is a huge chrono trigger fanboy (nothing wrong with that, it's a great game)
How many grandchildren is she hoping for?
>he doesn't know
All of the Fangamer plushies have secrets inside of them.
Wouldn't Kris be a better fit for that scenario though? Both were main chars and can be easily shoehorned in by just having (You) plop yourself into your vessel or a potentially unwilling party member
Also huge CT fag here, nearly spazzed out when I heard the song that plays while Ralsei is explaining the negative effects the fountains can cause. Toby snuck parts of the FF6/CT soundfont into it
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That's neat
mucho texto but i do agree with the general idea of mercying everything because that's what ut defined as "correct" failing our heroes later on. (pic related) was the thing that had me thinking about this since damn near day one
why is this dumb doe slut like this?
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>NEW RUDY PLUSHIE OUT NOW! COMES WITH A FREE BED AND COUGHS FROM CANCER WHEN YOU SQUEEZE HIM! BUY HIM HALF PRICE AND GET A TRAUMATIZED NOELLE DOLL FREE!
Yeah i see why he's not doing that, i respect it
Noelle's dad unironically has the best dialogue Toby has ever written, completely out of nowhere.
Reminder that DETERMINATION = FATE in Deltarune.
Where determination as a concept simply refers to the player's perseverance to try again and again within Undertale, it returns and is altered in Deltarune. In Deltarune, while it's never specifically referred to as "determination", it remains as a theme. As in, predetermination. The idea that every single thing you do is destined to happen anyways.
The first chapter beats you over the head with this.
>Nobody gets to choose who they are in this world
>Your choices don't matter x 20
>The prophecy
But it gets a little interesting when you consider that this isn't an immutable fact. There are things that you can and cannot do to "alter" your path. Choices you can actually make. Things actually change for certain actions you take. But given the themes of the game, these choices still don't matter. They're all culminating towards one "end".
My theory is simply that outside of the weird route, nothing will change. You can obtain hidden knowledge. Fight every schizo. Hell, you can even half-finish the weird route and go back to normal. But working within these boundaries simply means you're held to "fate" either way. The big question is how this is broken. Why we're stuck on a railroaded path. Whether there's any other way to change things other than burning it all down with tools like Noelle.
Krisriel
I'm still mad
jevil and spamton join no matter how you deal with them, they just turn into different items
what game is he from?
I hope he makes it out alive.
Snowgrave-like offshoot where Noelle is actually strong enough to heal him would be kino.
I want to play chapter 3.
I was thinking just yesterday that him dying midway into the game would be a great alternative to the red herring of him being evil.
The game I'm going to put him in to spite his original creator.
Inshallah brother, there'll come a day where something just as strange and compelling will surface.
Then so you shall, my child.
>Everyone asks "Who is Gaster?" But no one asks "How is Gaster?"
>Red herring of him being evil
How the fuck can anyone assume Ralsei is evil? are you retarded? The one secret that he's been keeping from absolutely everyone turns out to be the fact that dark fountains END THE FUCKING WORLD and that he would much rather that DID NOT HAPPEN. Ralsei breaks his entire fucking character with a completely new character portrait emotion just to say, "No, opening a dark fountain is fucking BAD and I REFUSE to let it happen."
is that coming before or after chapter 3? can't share much more of my patience sorry
Considering that's a 7 year window, let's say before.
How can Toby out do Spamton? Jevil is cute but didn't hit ridiculous meme status just from being hard.
They already did that with the queen mecha y'know. Unless that in particular is supposed to be a clue to fight Jevil instead. Which is kind of hard to say since the schizoboss violence fights in general are easier.
No one wants to entertain the likely possiblity that he's legitimately good and all those secret conversations with Kris was for Kris's own sake in a good way.
So you're saying him being evil would be the surprising factor to you.
You've never heard of anyone else expecting him to pull some Flowey-tier bullshit on you?
>I feel very blessed that the player of the game thinks things like "Kris! I wish I had a plush of Kris so I could open it up and see what's inside!"
What the fuck is wrong with this man
ralsei = griffith user from last thread, expect memes for the inevitable heel-turn.
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Jevil doesn't come with you and goes to sleep before giving you his tail. He also gives far less info if you go pacifist.
Jevil turns into the knife, and comes with you if you go violence. Violence is the superior option for jevil.
Spamton prefers pacifism, he gets a unique background, a better item is rewarded, and more dialogue.
>tries to have conversations with kris behind (you)r back
>refuses to explain why he is immune to petrification despite claiming he's a darkner
off the top of my head. you could also spin the idea that ralsei is a paralell of flowey with a similar objective but different approach but that's just an educated guess. also he could literally be talking out of his ass with the whole roaring thing, not like anyone would know any better
He knows the Fujos are immediately going to Tear Kris's head off and freak out when they see a scrap of paper that says "Your Mom :)" on it
What would be the point I guess is what I'm asking. His kingdom becomes larger and all the other darkners immigrants get to exist fully there. Everyone wins, well until the knight is dealt with.
God, there's actually more complex trees happening isn't there, I shouldn't have done my saves as pacifist and violence
This is the stupidest shit. "Hehe so because you think a subversion would be retarded you're set up to be epically subverted!" Yes, I've heard it you fucking retard. I started off my post with, "Why does EVERYONE start with 'Ralsei is evil'?" I'd shut up if it were, "Ralsei isn't on the Player's side." or "Ralsei has his own plans." But it goes straight to "WOAH RALSEI IS ASRIEL'S DEAD CORPSE AND HE'S A ((((((BAD GUY???)))))" My own post literally points out that the only thing that outright reveals Ralsei has some hidden agenda is that he knows about the roaring. He knew this entire time, and nobody else does. Not the King and not the Queen, despite them being privileged individuals. He was keeping this shit under his hat the entire time and the only time he reveals it is when Berdly dumbfuck tries to open a new fountain and he realizes he NEEDS to tell everybody in order to keep anything bad from happening. A wholly GOOD action in spite of the fact he could just shut up about it.
That's actually my theory on one reason he doesn't want to do plushes of certain characters. Some of the Undertale plushies had little soul hearts inside of them, and Toby is dedicated enough to the his weird vision that he'd want accurate souls in the Deltarune plushies as well. If he released them now, someone would tear them open to check and find out a spoiler
>Dark world is the real world
>Light world is the escapism for the heroes
>Can't physically inspect Susie to find out if she has a tail or not
Unlikely, they're all pretty nice people.
It's a game and this doesn't come into it but I don't think the overly cynical view you are taking is very accurate. Most virtuous people are reluctant to harm other people even in anger and these people are not as rare as some people are (bizarrely) determined to make you believe.
>The one secret that he's been keeping from absolutely everyone turns out to be the fact that dark fountains END THE FUCKING WORLD and that he would much rather that DID NOT HAPPEN.
what's his motive for keeping that secret retard
>pure pacifism
>pure violence
>snowgrave
>abandoned snowgrave route after getting thorn ring
All of these with the 2 different ways to beat the super bosses
>pure pacifism
>pure violence
>the method they prefer prefer
>the method they dislike
Maybe the fact that if he said that some retard would want to do it you naive moron.
>Can't steal Noelle's watch in real life
He's doing way too much shady shit to be nothing and Kris, who talks to him during transitions out of the player's view, does not like him based on the tea effects.
i get what you're saying because jevil technically says "take this" instead of something more overt like "let me be your strength" but the fact that spamton can either exist as the dealmaker or glasses leads me to believe that the jevilstail is still jevil, just as the jevilsknife is. also value of info or items is subjective, lot of people get a kick out of dps ralsei
*dealmaker or scarf
Why wouldn't she have a tail? Nobody else grows body parts in the dark world.
I'm more referring specifically to the fact jevil goes to sleep for a century via pacifism, meaning he's out of the game for good.
And I mean "better item" as an item with a secondary effect like the money boost or the TP reduction for rude buster.
Personally I plan to go pure violence against every super boss on my first playthroughs for each chapter so DSP Ralsei is a good thing imo.
user, he knows that people are well aware he likes to hide things inside plushies by now, the very first thing people would do to a Kris plushie is murder it to try to find out the spoilers hiding within.
Kris and Susie will give her at least seven
You need to calm down, my man. You're taking fan theory way too zealously.
In the same chapter you see Spamton sell drinks that damage you. If Kris hated Ralsei, you'd expect something like that. Fucking NOELLE has even less of a reaction to Ralsei, so are you going to say that since her number is even lower she's actually going to fucking murder him? Kris reacts to Ralsei as an *acquaintance*. That's it. He doesn't hate him even though he's a living perversion of his own childhood and his older brother.
Who the fuck knows what they're talking about when the player's gone? But he must have a *good* reason for it since he's clearly telling Kris WHY he should listen.
>>jevil actually joins you if you beat him violently instead of sleeping for centuries and he gives up more info about Ch2 via violence
Wait, so it's ok to beat the crap out of Jevil instead of pacifying him?
I doubt it, the actions in the weird/snowgrave story are way too extreme to be something the narrative will ultimately look favorably on. If it was more stuff like killing Queen otherwise party members get hurt/killed then sure but pacifism still results in an optimal outcome for everyone while the other route people are actively dying or being manipulated. The only way you could maybe square this circle is if the storyline is that these are all game characters and not real so it's okay but I doubt it would be as that would be very hard to do without completely demolishing all stakes/emotional content of the story.
Oh and also I stopped reading your faggot post when you insulted me, so a sentence in. Next time speak like an adult. :^)
Faggot.
No, I'm saying there is clearly a deliberate plot point that Kris likes Ralsei a lot less than you would expect. Noelle's one is low because she barely even knows who he is so that makes sense.
>this body cannot be killed
His lines even say it's cool.
Seriously, re-read both your posts and tell me you sound like a rational person with all your hyperbolic quotes. You don't belong here.
Faggot.
Wait, has he hidden things inside plushies before?
There's no real consequences for fighting everything except they like you less, you stay on exactly the same story route and nothing dies
then why did he say it
furthermore, if there ever was a naive moron it was ralsei
Well with chapter 2 you also don't recruit anyone but the queen