Sold less than a literal who IP like Triangle Strategy while carrying a name like Final Fantasy in the title. What went so so wrong?
Why did it flop?
Jason Evans
Hudson Lopez
Nothing. It's loved by all who play it and it'll be a grower not a shower.
Cooper Myers
Level design really sucked ass. Plus there wasn't the overworld you'd expect off a JRPG.
To elaborate, level design in SOP works like this: you run forward until you hit a wall. This wall can be opened either by punching it in the face or by taking a branch that leads you to a stage-specific switch that opens the wall. There is very little evolution on the mechanics of this switch. Whether it's turning off the rain, destroying a magma-spewing statue or firing a laser, it's all the same for the most part. Take the branch, find the switch and activate it, then proceed forth. It's a straight line that occasionally loops upon itself in the most localized and tangential ways.
Christopher Reyes
I'm kinda drunk and angry but lo, my interpretation of SOP level design. Fight me.
Aiden Cook
It's just another nomura garbage with nothing special about it.
Ayden Campbell
Generic soulsborne wannabe with a cool premise but shitty execution.
Cooper Jackson
Epic games kikery and square fucked up the performance because they don't know how to pre-compile shaders.
Dominic Wilson
not enough "hey cubes!"
Caleb Baker
highly doubt it sold less than triangle strategy
Owen Flores
the level design is simple to make it feel like a nes game you retarded niggers
Jonathan Howard
Played the demo, shit was boring.
Nathan Morris
Triangle Strategy sold 800k in 2 weeks btw
SoP didn't do well enough to even warrant any kind of milestone post lmao
Dominic Allen
NES games had fucking labyrinths for dungeons, the fuck you talking about nigger. Modern games dont have that because instead of designing dungeons they're designing how a fedora can fit with giant pauldrons on all 5 character models.
Hunter Torres
NES games were fucking labyrinthine compared to S(L)oP.
Sebastian Martinez
play the first final fantasy
Alexander Perry
Final fantasy is a boomer IP. Zoomers don't care.
Nolan Garcia
It's gonna be a cult classic
Kevin Cooper
you metric is literally fucking famitsu? you're a fucking moron. it had incentives for buying digitally(early access and exclusive items) and we saw the fucking sony blog where it placed #3 on digital sales in japan and #7 in the west.
blog.ja.playstation.com
they're even shoving jack in their stupid mobile game.
mobile.twitter.com
Leo Robinson
True lmao
Jacob Edwards
FFniggers don't play real games with real gameplay, only shitty weeb visual novels
Thomas Russell
>S(L)oP
You didn't need to add to it when "sop" as a word was just as fitting.
Adam Johnson
Westenized RPG. Also frank sinatra is shit.
Jace Carter
>play exactly one NES game
No thanks. And since I know what you're getting at, I prioritize good level design over making it "story accurate."
Eli Foster
It's because on PS4 it's like 540p 20fps or some shit with ps1 textures and most people are too poor to be on PS5
Isaac Rivera
It was a literal who IP. Final fantasy Explorers was also a literal who IP carrying the FF name.
Carter Myers
SQUARE ENIX
STOP MAKING ACTION RPGS
YOU SUCK AT IT
THEY'RE ALL AWFUL
ESPECIALLY KINGDOM HEARTS
FUCK YOU, MAKE GOOD GAMES AGAIN
Carson Phillips
Most Sony releases this year are for PS4
Jace Sullivan
Gabriel Collins
>spend 20 years shitting out "FF" games
>shocked most recent shit is shit
Luke Roberts
It's the opposite though right? In 20 years all we've gotten is FF12-15. before that we were getting a new FF every year
Adrian Reyes
Because final fantasy is a dogshit franchise. There has never been a single good FF game, seriously. Square Enix is a joke
Ethan Thomas
The side games count too, dumbass. That's like saying there's technically only 3 KH games.
Tyler Morales
How many KH games are there? They just announced 4
Brandon Johnson
12-15 are not the opposite of shit, they've been shit since (and including) 10.
They've also been pimping out the IP to whatever 3rd party leaves the cash on the dresser, watering down the brand. The gachashits alone... oof.
FF hasn't been a trusted name by anyone with any sense since before most people ITT were born.
William Walker
Final Fantasy's biggest problem right now is that fans expect "aggressive innovation" and "drastically different settings" from them thanks to FFs VII-X. The biggest Final Fantasies all had different battle systems and settings, which was great in the hands of a team that could deliver, but they're running on fumes and now inventing both a new battle system AND a new setting every time is exhausting to them and us. You see them trying to skirt it too. Look how they try and turn FFXIII into a franchise by hook or by crook. Fabula Nova Crystallis failed so they forced FFXIII-2 and 3. At this point I'm sure they're more interesting in expanding FFVII EU than making FFXVI. Even the game we're discussing is a prequel to FFI.
They're not the behemoths they used to be, yet the expectation to invent new things with every iteration is still there which is why every new numbered FF feels schizophrenic and every FF spinoff feels lazy. They've dug themselves into a hole.
Austin Brown
In the past year (estimate)
>Strangers of Paradise Final Fantasy Origins
>Final Fantasy XIV PS5 + Endwalker expansion
>Final Fantasy The First Soldier
>Final Fantasy Pixel Remaster series
>War of the Visions Final Fantasy Brave Exvius
>Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles Remastered
Ethan Cox
All mediocre releases
Adrian Parker
No, the problem is final fantasy is a jrpg franchise and jrpgs are inherently bad. RPGs are by their nature, story driven and Japanese people can't write to save their lives because they're bug people.
So you have a franchise that is essentially an amalgam of things taken from western RPGs, bastardized, made worse and then slapdashed together with some retarded plot that only a genuine retard would enjoy.
Japs just can't into rpgs they should stick to action games
Austin Hill
I haven't beaten it yet purely because the performance pisses me off. What's on screen doesn't justify the single-digit slowdowns.
James Ramirez
Stop being poor?
John Myers
>fans expect "aggressive innovation" and "drastically different settings" from them
Since when? Fans want the same thing over and over.
Luke Cook
Get a load of this retard that didn't know what he was buying
Jace Allen
>what he was buying
A bad game that rightfully flopped?
Nathaniel Thomas
3 E's
>Elden Ring
>Epic Games Store
>E...extremely poor optimization.
Lucas Sullivan
>Everyone tired of Square's shits
Nicholas Diaz
>PC
Epic store
>PS5
Western niggers console
Jayden Watson
The trailers were the only good part, just like those chink mobile games.
Nolan Anderson
Nothing I just pirated the shit out of it. It was fun
Henry Peterson
Just like Yea Forums likes saying Horizon got mogged by Elden Ring, at least that launched before ER. This souls-like game launched afterwards. It was never going to be a big seller anyways though. It looks like a budget game.
Eli Sanchez
Nioh has great level designs, so that's disappointing.
Carson Ramirez
They didn't make it. Team Ninja did. And Team Ninja already made 2 Nioh games, which are masterpieces. This looks like it uses the exact same combat system as those.
Brayden Powell
Budget game that shows team ninja gameplay cant carry a game if it doesnt have a weeb geralt or a ninja
Asher Parker
You can’t say it sold less than triangle strategy until it reaches the same point in it’s lifetime and we see the sales dumbo, learn about fallacies
Mason Garcia
Dude nioh has the same level design , but feudal japan aesthetic makes it forgivable by weebs literally you fight in the same bridge in secondaries and some field that doesnt look like crap like final chaos memes
Joseph King
Turned out that le epic reddit chaos meme and wholesome "cringekino" is not enough for a good game
Everything pointed at this being a cheap trash so Yea Forums decided to be hyped about it out of being contrarian as always
Chase Smith
>Final Fantasy Pixel Remaster series
>Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles Remastered
>Final Fantasy XIV PS5 + Endwalker expansion
Not new games.
>War of the Visions Final Fantasy Brave Exvius
Mobile dogshit. That leaves one which is just a spinoff Nioh reskin.
Blake Green
>Final Fantasy's biggest problem right now is that fans expect "aggressive innovation" and "drastically different settings" from them thanks to FFs VII-X.
That's what the fans expect, not what they want. The constant experimentation and every entry being both wildly different and heavily divorced from the styles and gameplay that made the series popular in the first place has been pushing people away for years. The refusal to just make a good fucking game that's not hampered by scale creep, bloated budgets, and executive meddling has done serious damage to the brand and resulted in shit like XV massively underperforming. Pretty much every other JRPG franchise has managed to swoop in and make a dent in the market now because, outside XIV, Final Fantasy is failing so utterly to just give people what they want.
Jayden Nguyen
Okay so everything you said about SOP is bullshit. Gotcha.
Lincoln Thomas
It's so fucking weird that you talk to NPCs in town from a menu instead of actually going through a hub world.
It's like they had to cut the town itself, but didn't want to cut the dialogue.
There was also that glorified mobile game, Chocobo GP.
Luke Johnson
If you want traditional FF, there's a spin off for that. It's called Bravely Default.
Josiah Campbell
Which just solidifies that fans have even less reason to give a shit about the Final Fantasy brand these days, yes.
Jose Perry
Suck the inside of my dirty cock fagboi, KH is amazing.