ELDEN RING LORE THREAD

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why are all the leyndell buildings filled with honey

Let's start with non-schizo posts:

Stormveil has gone through many masters, the first being someone with a hawk Emblem from the Hawk Crest Wooden Shield and the barricades with metal hawks on them, but I am going to talk about the middle inhabitant, before Godrick and his Golden Lion banners.
The guy who had red and gold banners, with a golden dragon.

First off, if you go to the Limgrave Tower Bridge SoG, you can see everything I am about to show yourself. With that, lets begin:

O'Neil and Niall are both from whatever faction is currently in Stormveil, they both brandish a red/gold flag in Picrel, and that same identical emblem is found in Stormveil on its carpets in various locations. Additionally, O'neil summons ghostly exiled soldiers, and Niall summons banished knights, and is commander of Castle Sol, an area inhabited by ghostly exiled soldiers and banished knights.

On O'Neil:
Commander's Standard, the weapon dropped by O'neill drops and I used to take that picture:
>A beaten red battle standard is furled around this time-worn halberd.
>Even after his lord was fled, Commander O'Neil continued to brandish this flag in the devastation of the rot-eaten field of battle, the sole veteran who remembers this battle with pride.
I think the "his lord was fled" was Godrick but I will get back to this:

On Niall:
Veteran's Prosthesis, dropped by Niall:
>Bladed prosthetic leg enwreathed with the power of lightning, instead attached to the fist. Commander Niall, veteran of Castle Sol, offered this prosthesis in exchange for the lives of defeated knights held prisoner. He went on to lead these men as an army of no nation.
"Man of no nation"
His armor:
>An old helm that has seen many battles. Worn by Niall, the veteran general of Sol.
>Niall was a lone survivor who commanded spirits to defend his long-passed master.
"defend his long past master" this might mean the Mausoleum corpse, but I will come back to this

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There is also a banner in various locations in Stormveil, and it is picrel (left Stormveil/Right Stranded Graveyard). This banner is similar in thematic to carpet/flags, being red and gold, but you can also make out more clearly that it is dragon at the top of the banner. I can't quite make out the carpet/flags, it is a bit more ornate, but I also think it's likely a dragon if not a lion.
This same banner can also be found in Stranded Graveyard, an area that has ghostly Banished Knights and Exiled Soldiers as well. Now, all Exiled soldiers in the game are somehow linked to Stormveil.
For the banished knights, you can note that they have two alternate gear sets, one with a red/gold cloth (coincidence?) over their helmet, and the other one just has a metal dragon on top of the helmet. The ones with the metal dragon, are the versions of the knights that are in Armies or serve under the commanders.
The ones with the gold/red cloth are linked with dragons. Where one is defending the Church of Dragon Communion (people who eat dragon hearts) and the others in Farum Azula, a place where Godwyn fought and befriended placidusax, That now accounts for every single instance of Banished Knight or Exiled Soldier in the game.

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Oh you make a better one?
The Commanders also use Lightning Incantations?

stars aren't animals. that's a mistranslation.

Asking the real questions

Prince of Death cyst
It seems like Godwyn developed a third eye?

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>Let's start with non-schizo posts:

*continues the make the biggest schizo color/pattern matching rant ever*

>Even after his lord was fled, Commander O'Neil continued to brandish this flag in the devastation of the rot-eaten field of battle, the sole veteran who remembers this battle with pride.
I always figured he O'Neil was Radahns man. Redmane Keep has a lion motif, as does Radahn himself.
O'Neil is fought in the swamp that was where Malenia and Radahn clashed, everyone else would find that to be a woeful draw but madlad that he is O'Neil probably thought it was just a grand old time.

I like the rest of your points though.

I also wanted to highlight that the banished knight shelds, armor and weaponry is hung up all around Stormveil in an almost ornamental fashion, not Godrick's soldiers. You can see the same banished knight sets as statues lining the limgrave bridge tower, and they have on their shields the same emblem in the banner/flag O'neill and Niall has. As well as the metal dragon at the top of it.
Both knights and soldiers also know storm arts and a bit of lightning spells depending on which one you fight where. I seriously doubt that these solders are some form of "mercenaries" when they have decked out the castle in their flags, carpets, banner and armor and are more of an elite fighting force than any of Godrick's men.

When Malenia defeats Godrick, it's said he "swore obedience to her" in the jap text, and that makes me think when she marched through, Godrick joined her with O'Neil, and bailed patches style when the fight broke out, leaving O'neil and his exiled soldiers to fight.

Read the post nigga. Commander Niell and O'Niell served Godwyn/Golden lineage. One is guarding Castle Sol to revive his master's soul.

the moons are representative of Rennala and Ranni’s fat asses
full moon = Rennala’s huge pale ass
dark moon = Ranni’s dark blue puppet ass
Rennala’s ass is bigger which is why her spell needs more int.

O'Neil was guarding the broken needle that belonged to Malenia.

There's at least 4 eyes in that pic

>implying
let's go back to talking about how Marika did 9/11
None of that matters, he has the same flag as in Stormveil, and his flag matches niether Malenia's nor Radahns flag. Radahns has a purple strip in the middle.
It also says "his lord was fled" and I doubt that was Radahn.

O'Neil, depite being in the swamp, summons a bunch of exiled soldiers to help him.
Those are Godricks guys

forgot pic

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Probably a trophy especially if he considered the battle fondly. Malenias forces are the Haligtree and Cleanrot knights while O'Neil seemed more of a mercenary and that's inline with Radahn banding armies together under himself.

wait, what are you referring to ? is there even an item that states that ?

Also, generally speaking, relating to the whole Moon of Nokstella thing:
> This talisman represents the lost black moon. The moon of Nokstella was the guide of countless stars.
People presume it's completely destroyed because it's called "lost", also the "guiding countless stars" is in past tense, implying it no longer does
Moreover, guiding countless stars doesn't mean controlling ALL of them, this is a rather ambiguous wording that could mean anything from a few dozens to tens of thousands

Im not saying he served Malenia or Radahn, it's just that he may have honored the twins like how Niell was defending Castle Sol and they held high regard for Miquella.

astel memory says that he is a deformed star. he is not a star though

Look at the top left, above the two golden eyes.

He has eclipse banners, so he's Mausoleum faction above all, he does however work with Miquella in some way per that lore ghost.
They're both trying to kill/revive soulless demigods, and that's the extent of their interaction.

>how Marika did 9/11

>Hey Osama, I see a golden light
>its leading me to a pile of box cutters, american passports, and a crude drawing pointing towards the world trade center
>Quiet, I have an idea...

insha'marika

whats the JP moon runes on that

"Honeyed rays of gold..."

Obviously it’s a traffic controller. An Astel shows up in its starmobile, asks the black moon where the Lands Between, and then calls it a nigger.

The Stormveil stuff is probably remnants of, ya know, the Storm King that Godfrey (Godwyn?) deposed.

Why did Marika shatter the Elden Ring?
Did the Greater Will make Radagon leave Rennala, or was he simply asked to return?
Could Radagon have caused Marika to shatter the ring, which is why they were merged together, or were they always the same person?

>It also says "his lord was fled" and I doubt that was Radahn.
Radahn had to fall back after Malenia sharted the place into a toxic dump, he had to have wound up in the desert somehow.
Radahn cared for his men and pulled them out of the swamp otherwise he wouldn't have let Malenia be carried away.

The only fleeing Godrick did was from the capital to Stormveil where he hunkered down and turned the place into an abattoir. His men wouldn't be at the site of battle so O'Neil couldn't have been working under his orders.

無数の星

> a place where Godwyn fought and befriended placidusax
>Lightning Spear text: Long ago, Godwyn the Golden defeated the ancient dragon Fortissax, and befriended his fallen foe—an event that gave rise to the ancient dragon cult in the capital.

I think you mean fortissax?

>Godwyn
That's who I think it is.
>Protecting Godrick heir moreso than his own men
>Castle sol is trying to find away to give him a true death with Miquella
>Neill joined Malenia after Godrick surrendered
>Dragon versions of the banished knights are part of Godwyn's dragon cult

she probably shattered it for the same reason she sent off a bunch of warriors and asked them to one day return and conquer the golden order

The eclipse Shotel confirmed its Godwyn.

Well, tell me why a commander with a flag identical to the carpets of Stormveil, and summons exiled soldiers, is there.

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You know...
>claims to be a religion of peace
>violent wars with all of its neighbors
>despised by the rest of the world
>declared war on wandering tribe of merchants
Golden Order bros....

Original jp text:
> それは、彼らが失くした黒い月を模している ノクステラの月は、無数の星を従えていた
DeepL translation:
> It mimics the black moon they lost, Noxtella's moon, which was followed by countless stars.

Seems like the past tense and the quantifier are preserved, if that's what you wanted to know

Eclipse Shotel [7100000]
>Storied sword and treasure of Castle Sol that depicts an eclipsed sun drained of color. One of the legendary armaments.
>In Sol, the sight of an eclipse inspires a dreadful awe, preventing an onlooker from averting his gaze.
it does?

>The eclipse Shotel confirmed its Godwyn.
You mean the Prince of Death
and PoD used to be Godwyn

I assumed they were always the same person, since otherwise the idea of "demigod stepchildren" makes no sense. When characters talked about how Radagon returned and became second Elden Lord, and this meant that Ranni, Radahn, and Rykard "became" demigods, it sort of makes sense in an official/legal capacity, but not why Radahn would be the strongest being alive if he was just "legally" a demigod. But if Radagon was always part of Marika, and they had always been directly related to a god, then their strength suddenly makes more sense.

so that the devs didn't have to put a new red carpet texture in the game
BUT MUH DEEPEST LORE

Yes:

wasn't specific
You need to look at the Weapon Art
>Set the lusterless sun ablaze with the Prince of Death's flames, inflicting the death ailment upon foes.
>Follow up with an additional input to bring down the armament, triggering an explosion.

>It said that this golden lightning was wielded by Godwyn, who befriended Fortissax.
Yeah, you are correct.

ah shit nigga, didn't see that.
Lore ghost in sol:
>[704010000] ...
>[704010010] Lord Miquella, forgive me.
>[704010020] The sun has not been swallowed. Our prayers were lacking.
>[704010030] Your comrade remains soulless...
>[704010040] I will never set my eyes upon it now...
>[704010050] Your divine Haligtree...

>but not why Radahn would be the strongest being alive if he was just "legally" a demigod
Why does that not make sense? Godfrey obliterated most beings when warring, you’re a random fuck offing the demigods. It’s just a title.

There's been speculation on whether Miquella was trying to get Godwyn a fresh soul, actually kill him fully, or something else.
I think the Eclipse Shotel specifically referring to him as the Prince of Death moves us more into the 'something else' catagory

What side of the "dark moon" vs "black moon" debate are you?

>There's been speculation on whether Miquella was trying to get Godwyn a fresh soul, actually kill him fully, or something else

Just read Golden Epitaphs description

Exiled Soldiers and Banished Knights are purely mercenary forces, sent to penal colonies or elsewhere it's clear that they're for hire.
As far as the standard I don't have an answer. Could be he was working for Godrick at first then left to join up with Radahn, but serving under the latter is the only reasonable explanation for why he would be where you fight him.

>Golden Epitaph [2070000]
>A sword made to commemorate the death of Godwyn the Golden, first of the demigods to die.
>Infused with the humble prayer of a young boy; "O brother, lord brother, please die a true death."

Pretty sure it's miquella attempting to give Godwyn a 'true' death.

i have no side because i'm not some kind of fucking autist trying to piece together a deep lore headcannon out of lame ass vague item descriptions

I want you to look at all three of these pictures and then get back to me.

why is there a face like this in stormveil

Thats the Golden Epitaph, but wasn't there some connection between Miquella and the Eclipse folks?

Eclipse Greatshield
>The eclipsed sun, drained of color, is the protective star of soulless demigods. It aids the mausoleum knights by keeping Destined Death at bay.
Mausoleum Knight Armor
>The wing-shaped ornaments on its back evoke the Deathbird. A self-inflicted curse that ties the spirits of these loyal knights to the land, having willingly beheaded themselves so that they may serve theirs masters in death.
And of course the Eclipse Shotel directly referencing their Prince of Death

looks like four eyes, Godwyn confirmed NERD?

It's either way. If Miquella can give him a true death, it's ok, if not, he wanted to get Godwyn's soul back.

Home-bound instinct?

The gloam eyed queen was the previous ruler of the lands between before Marika

She had the powers of destined death innate to her being. She delivered death to the fire giants. That's why their corpses have death blight on them

More importantly. The two fingers choose her as emperyan. Meaning that the greater will approved her rule as potential ruler of the lands between

Eventually, The gloam eyed queen was betrayed by her own sister, Marika. With the help of Maliketh. The gloam eyed queen was defeated and her powers sealed in Maliketh's black blade

But the gloam eyed queen never fully died. Her soul was incarnated into another entity, Melina the mysterious woman who seems to know everything about Marika

More importantly. The gloam eyed queen was Ranni's mentor. The doll that inhabits Ranni's soul was inspired in her mentor's appearance. She taught her everything about cold sorceries and the like. But more importantly, she taught Ranni about the rune of death

Ranni searched for a way to escape the ertree's subjugation through stealing the rune of death and free her soul from the erdtree

But why did she killed Godwyn? There is no reason for him to die. His death makes no sense in the assassination plot. Unless, he choose to sacrificed himself in order to save Ranni's soul from the ertree. Godwyn seems like that kind of man who would chose that

But why did he choose to sacrifice his own life for Ranni of all people? Because they were arranged married by the two fingers. Remember that Ranni was chosen to be an Emperyan by the two finger. And what does an Emperyan need to rule the lands between? First off, a shadow beast. We who her shadow is. But, who would be her consort? The most obvious answer would be Godwyn. He is Marika's favorite child after all

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So what was the point of the giant towers? I know they give you rune abilities, but I mean whats the point of them existing in the games world? Also whats the significance of the number of towers. There are more runes than towers. I also believe theres one unaccessible tower to the east so no idea whats going on.

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7 runes, 6 towers. Rennalas wasn't gained during the shattering and hers doesn't have a Two Finger on it so I'll discount that, and Morgott/Mogh shared a tower.
The Towers themselves are of different construction then the rest of the Erdtree's buildings, more like the Nokstellan Ruins or maybe Farum Azula.
The inside of the towers seem to have the same Star Stuff as the ceilings of the underground caves.

I have seen them and the drapery doesn't explain why O'Neil is in Caelid. It's possible he could have been a roving mercenary after Godfrey's unification of the lands between as we know there had to have been another ruler in ages past.
I just don't know why you're so adamant that he had to work for Godrick who for all intents and purposes seems a self obsessed nut who wanted to keep sticking bits on himself as opposed to going out and doing shit with his meager resources.

I don't think there's any indication that Radagon actually loved Rennala.
Rennala obviously adored Radagon though

fromsoft is lazy and didn't want to have citizens/interiors so Erdtree sealed everything I guess lmao?