There's no coin toss

>there's no coin toss
lol what a liar right bros??

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You could consider it to have a coin toss if you conceptualize the idea of a string of consciousness abstractly and consider the copy to be completely identical to the original, in the sense that both are carrying on the same string of consciousness. If you think of things literally and in a purely physical sense, you just have one line of consciousness and then a second new one starting up. But if you're considering the line of thoughts to be of more value than the physicality then it is a coin flip of which of the two equally valid continuations of that line of thought is "you".

embrace the WAU. it would have fixed its fuck-ups eventually.

Its unclear because the game is unreliable in the way it tells the story. You start as Original Simon, switch to Copy 1, then to Copy 2 and finally stay as Copy 2 except for the end where you briefly stay as Copy 3. You never follow "One Simon."

It's kind of like the idea that we are a completely different person every 7 years as our cells are replaced.

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yeah, it's a bit unreliable. In the strictest sense, you're playing through your memories, but that's not how memory works so it's more like a series of discrete chapters with different protagonists.

Though that is deprecated considering neural tissue has a far slower rate of replacement.

But it's still the same, isn't it? What constitutes you is being replaced. Is the end product still you?

Take your ship of Theseus and shove it.
There is a vast difference between slowly being replaced in part and a flash cloning of consciousness.

But that is kinda how memory works
We never actually exist in the present, we are only cognizant of the things that happen to us because we remember them, and can only build a continuity based on that constant building of memories
If your memories were transferred to a new body, you would never be that body, but at the same time that body would never stop being you, it would have the same continuity based on the same foundation of linear memories, each a building block to itself

No. The only Simon died in the Meteor strike (or before it likely). The things we play as outside of the start are just copies which become different things

I know. The question remains the same.

fuck Akers.
that is all

Soma should've been an action game

it should have been a puzzle/adventure game instead of a hide and seek simulator.

>What a liar
I dont blame her, Simon was kind of a bitch, understandably so because he was a book reader with health problems and not Dukey Nukey, seeing he had a breakdown every time he talked its logical she lied to stop him from going mad and to achieve her dream wich is probably the last thing mankind can do, i dont know why people hate her so much when i feel the ends justify the means, even if the Ark is just a database in my point of view it isnt worthless

I get where you (and Catherine) come from, but a digital scan of a human isn't the same thing as humanity.

Only Ken Levine would struggle to understand this story

well it's either that or literally nothing, so it's better to have a almost 0% chance of humanity being restored than an absolute 0% chance

I dont know how to use the spoiler tags, The Simon you play at the beggining of the game dies 1 month after the scan because it weakened his brain and made his condition worse

>But that is kinda how memory works
It totally isn't, though.
If I asked you to remember your 18th birthday, you wouldn't start by imagining waking up and having breakfast, and then progressing through every event of the day; instead, you would remember conceptual components of birthdays, and then you would tie them into specific details that you might remember from that day in particular (what kind of cake did you have? did you have friends over? what gifts did you get?)

Memories consist of specific details and the rest is filled in by your imagination.

coin toss is definitely part of the all-time greatest bait pantheon at this point

She's a liar, but Simon's a fucking retard.

But how would a bunch of data on a satellite obtain the genetic tissue needed to restart humanity? k24wv

Would it? Half the people we meet look like a poster child for I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream.

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It seems entirely reasonable to bring along a few (hundred) genomes when you're creating an ark. Not like it would be expensive storage-wise when you're already storing and running mind states.

Akers is a nice guy. The brain coral that he puts people in is a therapeutic WAU substrate; if you look at the trapped victims, you can hear them having good dreams.

Remember how that one guy didn't understand he was a robot in spite of all evidence? Simon is being protected in the exact same way.

WAU had no intention or desire to "fix" its work.
It considered its work complete. Any living human is better than death, no matter the state of life.
Your comfort or consent don't matter to it. Nor does the quality of that life.

Did they do that? I was highly intoxicated while playing it. That makes sense

Soma should have had actual decision paths.
Simon was an insufferable moron and I hated having to play as him.

I don't think it's explicitly stated anywhere, but like I said, it seems like a reasonable thing to do for very little added cost.

Shall we speedrun this? Time me boys.
Mind transfers are to new bodies are duplication, not teleportation. A copy is produced during each transfer in the game.
Experience is retroactive; we are what we remember of our circumstances and experiences.
If mind transfers make copies, our existence forks at the point of transfer between the 'old' instance and a 'new' instance. We cannot know which one we are prior to a transfer.
The coin flip is an analogy for being the 'old' or 'new' instance. Simon cannot, however, win the coin flip because it is an explanation of the ontological concern, not a probability. There is a 100% chance of an 'old' Simon remaining and a 100% chance of a 'new' Simon being created. The bet, is which instance, which continuous experience you are.
We play most of the game as the third Simon (Simon 1 is long dead, Simon 2 is the experience at the start of the game, with shared experience with their copy until they are left behind following the transfer to a new body). Simon 3's experience diverges in another transfer, this time to the Ark, which creates Simon 4. Simon 4's experience is continous with Simon 3 and 2 to the point of transfer and we see him having 'escaped' (in reality, he has just been created) to the Ark in the epilogue. Simon 3 is doomed forever at the bottom of the dark ocean by virtue of a physical reality, not bad luck.

TL;DR: Simon wins and loses every coinflip because he plays against himself. Experience and memory runs backwards from current point in time, so our perspective as players does not need changed or moved until the Epilogue. We played as Simon 3 for the whole game and play as Simon 4 in the short Epilogue.

It seemed to be improving

Pretty much this.
Its unknown if the WAU will or can create more robots like Simon or Catherine in the future, but even if the Ark its just a sci fi hard drive, there isnt much or anything else to do, Simon isnt a scientist and cant leave Pathos II, Catherine cant develop cloning technology on her own and there is no more place for humans to live, there is nothing left for them but the Ark it seems

i dont blame her for lying to simon, her job was essentially tard-wrangler and its not a lie if its told to help a retard do what needs to be done.

god i wish my brainscan could be put into an immortal robot. it would just make more robotmes and create a planet spanning post apoc civilization of robot clones and eventually they would go out and conquer the galaxy. given enough time, maybe they could even figure out a way to do time travel and put my real brain into a jar so i could be their brainjar emperor so i could spit at the cointoss fags

>dude technology is bad because its bad... ok?

how do you know a woman is lying?

her lips are moving!

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this on the other hand is shit bait, nobody will fall for it

no, it wasn't. In fact, it was getting worse.
the first things you see are the newest things it has made, the closer you get the older they are.

The way I always looked at it was that the existence the Ark provided isn't humanity. What you have there isn't human. The Simon we play as for most of the game thinks he is human but he isnt

>Its unclear
how the fuck is it "unclear"?
Are you retarded?

>People still to this day think Catherine made up the coin toss

The coin toss concept was thought up by Simon. Catherine just didn't correct him because why would you correct the mentally unstable robot man who you need to drag your datapad ass to the Ark for you?

>Why don't they just go to the surface?
>Uhh everything is on fire LMAO

How long would a worldwide meteor strike take to burn out?

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>buy Soma in 2021 for $5
>finally get round to playing it in 2022
>audio doesn’t work because despite everything I try, it tries to play out my speaker less monitor
>try and refund
>steam: lol no

Great experience

But the Simon you play as is the newest thing it made

Don't forget that from Catherine's perspective, the entire game takes place over the course of one conversation. It's not like she spent time crafting an elaborate lie; she was literally only alive for several minutes over the course of the story.

Why on earth would the audio not work? Potato machine?

Yeah, i would describe the Ark like a living picture of humanity, it represents us but it is something different i dont know how to explain myself better and dont want to repeat myself a lot but, as i see it the ark its just the heritance of humanity to anything that finds it, like the fotos of your grandpa, they wont bring him back to life but show how he was, unless i missed some dna being stored in the ark but i dont think genetics was something being researched at pathos II

the planet was engulfed in a fireball but that quickly burnt itself out. The niggerafrican dude was able to swim up the rocket ramp and hang out in the off-shore-platform, eatting a few sealed ready-meals for a few hours before the toxic atmosphere killed him. This atmosphere would not hinder a robot that doesnt need to breathe.

>The niggerafrican dude was able to swim up the rocket ramp and hang out in the off-shore-platform, eatting a few sealed ready-meals for a few hours before the toxic atmosphere killed him.
isn't this literally fanfiction??

while the virtual reality the memory copies live in isn't real, the stored data within the ark itself is. All it would take is some other intelligent lifeform out there to parse through the data on humanity, the human genome, and what consciousness means for humanity to get a chance at rebirth. All of the "realities" at the end of the game suck for simon and catherine (except the ones who cope in the ark) but that's the point of the game. When humanity is on it's last leg, do you attempt a shot in the dark at possible resurrection or do you leave it up to an AI that has no real understanding of humanity to "maybe figure it out" while the copies of consciousness it fails at suffer in agony for the rest of time

The vast majority of neural tissue does not replenish and is intended to last the entirety of your life.

>WAUfags will defend this

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well that sucks

scary life > no life
consider that life has absolutely sucked for most lifeforms for most of all time. still worth it

user you still replied to him though...

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>and what consciousness means for humanity

I agree with you except for this part. I dont think another species could interpret that for us; its unique to humanity.

Maybe Im just taking a video game too seriously and drank too much but I think humanity died when the meteor hit and everything since is just a pipe dream

Longer than you'd like.
Then theres the ash problem.

>Expect some cool robots and bio organic monster shit
>It's literally just Simon being a retard while Catherine bitches at him
The Action Soma idea is a large departure but it's preferable to this annoying shit.

The AI villain in this game is the only time I ever saw such a character done "correctly" in a game. Like all computer programs it does exactly what it was written to do and nothing else, it doesn't hate humanity or anything

Watch this cartoon and stop being confused holy fuck this is elementary level
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In many ways it "loves" humanity to the point of trying to preserve it in the most horrific way

anyone else played this game for free on youtube?

The WAU is just trying to help. It's meant to fix things.

You're broken, it will fix you. Hold still.

I watched the first two episodes of the Two Best Friends play it then bought it because it looks good.

>You're broken, it will fix you. Hold still.

This sounds like some horrible rape mindbreak doujin

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