Elden Ring Lore is Retarded

I'd be more inclined to believe it was a gameplay thing if it wasn't for the fact that games from decades were able to give an approximation or the impression of real worlds and societies. Even 3D games.

There's no society, you're a semi corporeal deathless mute in every souls game

i always assumed its some kind of hell or purgatory in each game.

Yeah, I like ER but from the start I thought all the stuff in the current timeframe (in other words, the shit Miyazaki was responsible for) just didn't make any sense. Fucking Kingdom Hearts has more comprehensible lore than Elden Ring and that game's worldbuiding is ass too.

I NEED TO FUCK SELLEN AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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Bloodborne is clearly taking place in a world that is still alive. Sekiro is Japan. Demon Souls is a dead kingdom if I remember, but not a dead world. Dark Souls is the only one that could really fit.

It's weird because it is intentionally impossible to set a time frame between events.
Some items will talk about the Night of the Black Knives and the Shattering as something that happened centuries ago, but others like Thops talks about it as if it happened a decade ago at most being that he was locked out of the academy when the shattering began.
It's a remnant from Dark Souls that doesn't really work when the world is supposedly very much alive.

She's a meatball now

>I just don't get it. I mean with Dark Souls you get the sense it's a dead world already. The other games are more linear so you can imagine more civilization existing beyond what you can get to in game. But Elden Ring? The fucking world makes no sense.
Braindead Jap kept the same theme park world design, but forgot that it's an open world. So those locations in the distance that you could fill in with your imagination, we go there and see that it's all destroyed/decayed shit inhabited by ravenous cunts who just sit around all day. Game would've worked much better with DeS level selection

>But it would be nice to actually see a normal and populated town or city because unlike Dark Souls, the world is not supposed to be dead.
I think its mentioned somewhere that most of the people left are basically just insane and have lost their minds. That's why everyone (soldiers, etc) basically attacks you on sight.

But you are right, game-wise they definitely could have had more non-hostiles. Roundtable felt really shitty the more I think about it. Its supposed to be a gathering place for NPCs and there's barely anyone there in the whole game even though the place is huge. The presentation style of the games have always been weird.
>Implied that there are plenty of other characters around but you never meet them as its unimportant to your quest
>Actual sizes of NPCs seem random when they are enemies (bosses get scaled up massively... I get why but it just gets silly)

I still don't know what a tarnished actually is. The fucked up zombies that all around this game looked more tarnished than I do. The whole game was like that. Characters just throw out terms or character names or locations in their dialogue and I'm supposed to just have encyclopedic knowledge of what the fuck they're talking about even though they never actually explain a fucking thing.

Honestly when I see Elden Ring lore threads it reminds me of those WoW lore guys who just make shit up half the time cause the lore writers are retarded. I'm assuming its the same with Fromsoft.

OP here. I think Elden Ring is a great game, but it's hard to find any good conversation because the Souls fanbase has a bunker mentality from dealing with lefties bitching about easy mode and accessibility for years that they can't really deal with criticism. Understandable with how they got there but the constant dick sucking and acting like difficulty is a measure of quality is retarded.

>But you are right, game-wise they definitely could have had more non-hostiles. Roundtable felt really shitty the more I think about it. Its supposed to be a gathering place for NPCs and there's barely anyone there in the whole game even though the place is huge.
Roundtable growing more empty as time goes on sucks ass. Feels like shit. I loved Volcano Manor because it was so just then everyone fucking left there too after killing Rykard.

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>No one talks about how the civilizations aren't believable or are at least completely alien to human minds
Retard

As someone who isn't bothered at all by the world feeling desolate, I REALLY don't like the roundtable. It's such a shitty hub. When I realized it was going to get even shittier... come on, man.

>I think its mentioned somewhere that most of the people left are basically just insane and have lost their minds. That's why everyone (soldiers, etc) basically attacks you on sight.
This is just From's incompetence, nothing else. If fucking Caelid soldiers are still smart enough to setup ambushes then other places must still be doing fine. I mean fuck, you literally have soldiers escorting Giant drawn carriages in some areas of the map

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You don't have an argument against it. For instance when Ranni was talking about how she is doing this 1000 year journey for the people I was thinking "What fucking people? Roderika and those retarded soldiers I've killed thousands of."

There are some villages but they got fucked by the merchants frenzy bullshit. Besides that the Apes were used as a servant race.
And again at this point besides the merchants, some bosses and the tarnished everyone else has gone mad in a similar way to hollowing (presumably from constant tree rebirth)

Look at Fia’s background in the opening cinematic…where are the people? She literally fucked em all to death…

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And yet every ancient society on earth frames the Heavens and afterlife in contexts that resemble societies (but are not working societies)--that being their creators' only frame of reference--but are so foreign and twisted that they don't make sense when you really think about them. You accept these without a second thought because you're used to them.

Elden Ring is not set on Earth and it's not Game of Thrones. There are abstractions just like in Greek mythology.

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>those retarded soldiers
What, they don't count?

>w-what there are people in the world beyond the ones you see ingame
>AAAAAAAAA I'M AFFLICTED WITH MADNESS HELP ME VIGORMAN

The lore is more of a cluster fuck than RE.

Yes, I really believe there are people in this world, what with all of the bustling trade and travelers and... oh wait, none of that shit happens. Morrowind didn't literally have cities full of people but it gave you the impression that people lived in those towns and there was a structure to society. Elden Ring doesn't even match that sort of impressionistic level.

Yeah because it's a post war shithole

hot

Gee I dunno user maybe it's a reference to something.

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>everything is automatically hostile towards you
>no option to listen in on conversations to make stealth more engaging like Sekiro that shows the enemies aren't mindless zombies and nobody ever reacts to your actions
>literally everything is a mindless zombie with shriveled up raisin skin with no explaination
Pretty damn gay if you ask me, they had 13 years to make this shit.

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I know its a reference to Christianity. I want to know who crucified her and who stabbed her in the game. No need to be a sarcastic twat

It's not full of life at all. The tarnished are the only ones keeping things going. But still, there are probably people living in a village somewhere you just don't see ingame.

It's not in the game so it doesn't exist. Saying oh it's shit you don't see is fucking retarded in an open world, FromDrone.

That’s saying it nicely and I fuckin love Elden Ring.

>who is torrent? The entire game banks on him choosing you, even over Melina’s opinion. Only spirit to come from a ring vs the spirit bell
>why was Melina burned and left bodiless?
>Why is there no justice for Radahn and Malenia. They got fucked over just to be fucked over. Same with Godwyn but we don’t meet him so fuck him
>Why can’t we save our waifus? To me Ranni is just a dear friend
>Who was the Gloam eyed Queen’s shadow? Or Malenia and Miquella’s?
>Is the eye Gurranq gives you Melina’s right eye?
>Who the flying fuck is Renna? We know what she looks like, how she fights, her friends, but not what happened to her.
>What the fuck was Marika’s problem?

Too much more left to say

Elden beast literally has a grab move where it crucifies you before stabbing you with a summoned spear.

>>Why is there no justice for Radahn and Malenia
Justice? One got rotted and had to be put down, the other literally attacks you and you defend yourself, what justice do you want?

What the fuck was Marika’s problem?
Long and convoluted plant to sever the greater will's control over the world. Basically she was trying banish god.

>It's not in the game so it doesn't exist.
lol. You do realize if you follow this retarded logic then it introduces another issue, right? How does the capital city in skyrim have only like 20 buildings? IF IT'S NOT IN THE GAME IT DOESn'T EXIST BRO

>Saying oh it's shit you don't see is fucking retarded in an open world, FromDrone

??? How does being an open world change anything? In almost every (non-proced*ral) open world game you just have to accept that the actual playable map is an abstraction of a larger one. Obviously you can't ride across the world in five minutes on a horse.

I'm not a fromdrone, I just hate retarded nitpickers.

All the villages in this game have some retarded cop-out reason to why it's not normal
>oh noooooooooooooooo this only village in Limgrave is afflicted with le Madness flame
>oh nooooooooooooooooo this village in Liurnia is also afflicted with le madness flame again
>oh noooooooooooooooooo this village JUST got massacred with everyone in it and the survivors are all heccin' cray cray that automatically attack you
>oh nooooooooooooooooo this village by the cliffs is empty and the people are dead because...because they just are okay?!
>oh nooooooooooooooooo this only village in Altus Plateau has everyone just heccin cray cray with red eyes!
>oh noooooooooooooooooooo this only village in Mt. Gelmir just got raided and massacred by demi-humans

Get grabbed by the Elden Beast and you will know...

>game based around fighting things has places where you fight things
truly earth-shattering insight here. I have some other ideas for you.

>why are there all of these platforms for mario to jump on? who builds shit like this?
>umm, haha, why would a hill have a loop de loop? that's kind of convenient, now isn't it?

>>Who the flying fuck is Renna? We know what she looks like, how she fights, her friends, but not what happened to her.

ranni uses that name on first introduction and also modeled her doll body on her mentor...you also find the snow witch getup in renna's rise. so renna must be ranni's snow witch mentor.

I'm sorry is this an rpg or a fighting game? Kill yourself you retarded fucking Fromdrone.

At the top of the Elden Ring is the position Marika is depicted in, I theorise this symbolises the host which Marika is so that's her pose. Unrelated but I also think the zig-zag lines (which are Radagon's symbol) are meant to indicate the orderly function of the Erdtree, compared to the older dragon ring which has chaotic, branching roots more symbolic of the chaotic evolution of the untamed Crucible.
I've no explanation for the spear beyond it being just for show. Beast's grab attack is gold, not red.

shazam trannies sure got a bit rattled after their failure to contain elden ring...

Melina is the Gloam Eyed Queen, owner of the Rune of Destined Death and she was killed and burned and you are the instrument of her and Ranni's vengeance.

>fighting game = game where you fight things
a stunning intellect

>I am tarnished, I have come to kill your master and take their rune
>Oh hello nice to meet you let's have some tea and chat
Just because they attack you doesn't mean they aren't sane.

>you also find the snow witch getup in renna's rise
Because Ranni took it off before fighting the Two Fingers

This thread is weird to me. Do people genuinely want Bethesda-esque 4-house towns with people who give you inane quests or something?

A TARNISHED CREDIT CARD???

I don't know what shazamtrannies have to do with the lore being shit and the worldbuilding being awful. It's amazong because Martin was being shilled so hard with this game but it's the same inconsistent vague bullshit since Demon's Souls so what the fuck did that fat shit even do? Make all the names that start with M's and R's?

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Anybody got thoughts on one of the character creator body setups being named numen

Demon's Souls is Boletaria which is ravaged by demons and covered in fog, Vallarfax escaped and spread the word of what happened so people from outside could come and do something about it. All games basically follow the same formula of, "This one location is fucking wild but everywhere else is mostly normal."

It's a land after a gigantic civil war of demigods where people can't die and all types of plagues and curses happened. Of course there's not much left. All the regular people got merked and are now ghosts, the lands not-so-between are where real society lies.

Mohg’s bitchass is the reason they fought. Malenia never finds her brother and Rahdan loses his mind. Thinking now there’s no justice for Miquella either.

Well the world turned to absolute shit because of that and most of her children had their lives ruined

Well that I know..I’m wondering what happened to her?

That’s my thought too, but there’s a few things working against that theory

It's literally an in-game race.

then where does she get the second pair of clothing afterward

They literally shamble around like zombies and sound like them too. Not once do they talk to each other or anyone for the matter. They're also stated to be "insane". They're clearly not capable of normal human functions.

Forgot pic

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What the does Mohg fucking Miquella's bussy have to do with Malenia fighting Radahn?

Off the actual body of her mentor.
Or something, who cares it's just a robe.

>Bloodborne is clearly taking place in a world that is still alive
Bloodborne takes place in a fragmented plane of existence after the city got so corrupted by the ayys. They basically stopped existing in our current reality (same happened with the Pthumerians). There is a city in the real world, but it's very different from the city fragments in the higher planes that can only be accessed after you do the blood ritual at the start.

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Fuck if I know, but you literally find her naked when you give her the ring, and you find her set at Renna's Rise, and Ranni went through Renna's Rise to get there, therefore she left her clothes there

12 million sales and counting...what are you gonna do about it? piss and moan about a game you didn't even play? go to bed little bitch

most of the inhabitants are just insane. item descriptions say all the humans left have gone mad, and even mention the lesser giants went mad too (apparently they fought for the erdtree a long time ago)

You see her go full Queen mode during the Frenzied Flame ending when her Beast Eye returns.

>the roots are starting to form circles.
I still think the erdtree was there when the dragons were ruling the world, otherwise the roots don't make much sense.

>Sans eye
>SHE'S THE GLOAM EYED QUEEN GUYS

I think the theory is that Malenia invaded Caelid because the Mohgwyn palace is underneath it. Why she didn't just go "hey our crazy pedo half-brother took my brother, can I go kick his ass" to Radahn we'll never know.

It's a setting where everyone is insane, and cannot die properly. Almost everyone is stuck in a permanent cycle of being unable to properly die. Some that are already dead are rising as Those Who Walk In Death.After the shattering, the laws of life and death are broken, and half repaired thanks to Radagon.

Shit is crazy.
Are you expecting proper tax policy out of a nation where no one can die, and one of it's leaders is a crazed madman grafting more body parts into himself because it's cool?

Pretty sure, not 100%, but Malenia went looking for Miquella in Caelid, Rahdan thought she was invading, and the rest is history. If his pedo ass would have not been a pedo they would have been okay…unless Miquella bewitched them and is behind all of this…then fuuuuck him. Idk how but Mogh may be a victim, Miquella could have bewitched him and wanted his blood to try to break his curse

brainlets seething that they can't comprehend the lore

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>game I didn't play
>listed all the villages in game and their retarded cop-out reasoning to why they're destroyed and everything immediately tries to kill you inside
Holy shit are you even getting paid to be such a retarded unironic corpo npc?

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It's not really worth pointing out logical inconsistencies in a fromsoft game, they had 6 prior games and they all have the same flaw of mostly nonsensical lore with especially bad writing, and spaces that dont look like they could believably be lived in. It's clear that hideous teriyaki feels that the fromsoft brand shouldnt be meddled with in any way so they will keep reproducing their prior successes and with ER being Bamco's and FS's biggest hit yet there is little doubt that it will never change going forward.

for you to find and sniff her panties?
Same for the mini doll, she can't have left that there and not expect you to follow-up and talk to her.

The lore is post modernist, people who try to decode it are retarded

>and not expect you to follow-up and talk to her
She didn't, why do you think she stays silent when you talk to her?

But Sekiro fixes a lot of this shit, so WHY didn't they take what Sekiro did and put it in this game?

I know that that's supposed to be a cocoon, but why'd Mohg put it on a pelvis-looking chair? Was this meant to be a form of symbolism with the uterine rupture? It would be fitting given Miquella's eternal child state.

This isn't lore related but I'm at the end of the game and it's just losing steam for me. Don't even have the will to fight the final boss even tho I just got to the area. At risk of sounding like a Sony dick rider but I miss the weapons having big movesets like Bloodborne, I used every single larval tear I found because I just kept getting bored of the weapons, maybe I'm just retarded but I'd rather have fewer weapons with more expansive movesets instead of multiple weapons that only differ in stats and one special move. There isn't a single weapon I'd call my favorite because outside of their designs they all blend together, it's boring.

Maybe it's also burnout from playing all of these games, I don't know, I just wanted to vent somewhere

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>The Dragonlord whose seat lies at the heart of the storm beyond time is said to have been Elden Lord in the age before the Erdtree.
You can think that if you like but the game's pretty clear about it.

miyazaki just really likes seinfeld

*jumps*

It's a weird blend. Elden Ring has more explanations and story connectivity than Dark Souls, but less than Sekiro.

Maybe Radahn said "Yes, but let's deul, we're the strongest demigods left alive" and she took that as an invitation to war.
I doubt we'll ever know, because even if it's under caeldia, to go there you can't just dig, you gotta take the teleporter up north.
And if she knew about Mogh being down there, there's no reason she wouldn't have known how to get there, it's secretive enough anyway.

Look at the Beast Eye which is now shown. She got it back when you killed her killer,

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The Lands Between isn't all of the world, just the worst affected area. Multiple characters, you included, are mentioned to have arrived from somewhere else.