Ranni simps think this is fine

he became the prince of death and his existence is corrupting the erdtree and the cycle of rebirth

>this is white in america

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He caused those who live in death
That are a problem because the GO hunts them all down so they rightfully so defend themselves
Don't mention the last one though GOfags don't like it

The charges, officer?

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Homicide and being cute

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I like Ranni but still think her method of getting away from the Fingers was an extreme overreaction. I don’t get why she couldn’t just lock herself up in her room, especially since she’s still hunted by the Fingers after killing herself. If the game said the Fingers installed a kill switch or something in her body I’d be more accepting of it.

>I don’t get why she couldn’t just lock herself up in her room
….you can’t be serious

is dis a motherfucking Madoka reference

Caria Manor is specifically noted to be incredibly defensible bro. Just hide in there.

It sure as hell wasn't for me

There’s a Blaidd mask used by a assassin right next to her tower

Gameplay contrivance desu

Yeah, a dead one.

>The carian manor is so defensive bro
>Just ignore this assassin that managed to get to Three Sisters
>And our own character that's just gameplay

To be fair the tarnished is a giga chad who can fight the strongest demigods

Yes

Fia seemed pretty sure about him eventually waking up

All the Godwyn face crabs, deathroots, etc. make me think of that Onion story about George Bush being haunted by the face of an Iraqi boy he had blown up. If Ranni ever made it to space, she'd look back to see the Lands Between became a giant Godwyn face staring at her.

The blight curse, which began mere seconds after Godwyn's soul was destroyed, spreads as a plague that destroys the very soul and makes the body know only pain. "Those who live in death" are hunted down because they're mindless monsters that kill anyone they find, hence why D is observing a murdered traveler/peasant when you first find him.

Why does Rogier think they’re all fine and dandy then?

Rogier pities them too much for his own good, which is how he gets wrecked by the deathroot Godwyn face and is preyed upon by Fia, with the debris of his soul being turned into one of Fia's drones, complete with the blue aura of Seluvis' brainwashed "dolls." The last thing Rogier writes to you is to contact D's brother.

None of the endings "fix" the deathcurse retard. Fia is the only one who has anything to do with it, every other ending just ignores it. If it concerns you so much just admit you're a Fia cuck.

We need to tell the old man, the crabs are being defiled!

>"Those who live in death" are hunted down because they're mindless monsters that kill anyone they find

Following only the guidance of the great Elden Ring. Those Who Live in Death fall outside the principles of the Golden Order.
Their mere existence sullies the guidance of gold. Tainting its truth. And so it is the vermin must be exterminated... Down to the very last.

People like Goldmask lament that those such as D resort to such blind war cries nowadays, but their mission to fend off the undead is genuinely based in keeping people safe.

We have no idea to what extent she was actually influenced by the two fingers though, it could be a killswitch, it could be nothing at all and killing her own flesh had some other motive beyond just saying fuck you to the fingers

Pure speculation here, just a funny thought I've thought of when reading Gowry dialog about Malenia ushering and Order of Rot:

> She was born an Empyrean, carrying the scarlet rot.
> An Empyrean...is no mere demigod.
> In the age of the Elden Ring, and Queen Marika,
> the precious Empyrean was born. A new god to forge a new Order.
> Since Malenia fought Radahn, and the great scarlet flower blossomed in Aeonia, I have dedicated myself to her.
> And to the resplendence of the Order of Rot. The cycle of decay and rebirth.

What if an Empyrean's body limits what their new Order can be like ? Malenia's afflicted by rot god's influence and as such would usher an Order of Rot. Gowry is so confident in it despite Malenia's repression of her rot.

But Ranni, being a normal descendant of Marika, would be forced to take in the Elden Ring as a vassal of the Greater Will, whether she likes it or not, unless she gets rid of her "greater will"-afflicted flesh.

That would actually explain why she is so disgusted with the fingers wanting her to replace Marika while still being confident in her "dark path of the empyrean", she always wanted to supersede Marika, not to establish herself as some ruler like the latter did, she could do that while keeping her body, but to establish her vision of the Order, unrelated to the Greater Will, she talks about in her tower after we finish her questline.

She ends up depending on a "fate", literal puppeteering by the stars who themselves are outer gods and take orders from the black moon of Nokron, so Ranni might have been 4D Chess'd and the Empyrean status is on the soul as well, in this case, as a Carian.

>by the stars who themselves are outer gods
Source?

That would be more understandable. But it’s all speculation which is why it annoys me. I wanted something more concrete that would tell us why killing her body was a necessary step. Instead we’re forced to say “well, maybe this is the case”.
Nice headcanon.

>the stars who themselves are outer gods
Astel is an outer god?

Empyrean loose their will once they ascent to godhood via GW methods

Headcannon, user, don't bother, the dude clearly just a troll trying to parrot a shizo theory as bait, the real folk who believe in that theory at least have the decency to remember it's called the Moon of Nokstella and not Nokron

No they don’t. Marika was clearly able to do whatever the fuck she wanted.

>who themselves are outer gods and take orders from the black moon of Nokron
You niggers just can't stick to the fucking text, can you? It always has to be some video essay e-celeb fagshit in an attempt to fill in the blanks that are intentionally left there.

marika herself discloses that fact
and then ranni also states that "she won't allow to be controlled by that thing"

Post the line where she says that. It sure seems like Marika could do whatever the fuck she wanted considering she broke the ring.

The stars are literally alive, as seen by the Astels, Fallingstar Beasts, etc., and the Nokron and Nokstella gear notes that the black moon directed the countless stars that literally affect people's lives. Iji, Jerren, and Sellen all note that the stars try to place fates on the Carian royal family, and the Starlight Shards and Amber Starlight, items that state the stars try to command people's lives, are the key ingredients for Seluvis' brainwashing poisonous potions. Furthermore, the Nokron sets note that the survivors await their liege (separate from the Lord of Night), a Lord of Night, and an "age of stars", the same term Ranni uses. This lines up with the outer god, god, and Elden Lord system seen with the Greater Will and that Mohg tries to replicate for the Formless Mother. The Nokron sets refer to them having monks as well, and the Night Maiden Twin Crown "indicates the highest clerical rank." These sure aren't likely to be the bean counter type of clerical ranks.

The dark moon is a god, the stars are either gods too or serve this god, and Ranni is hinging on an outer god whose actions and past worshipers show no difference from the Greater Will's conduct.

Yeah bla bla bla but the stars aren't outer gods

It's called the age of stars, we see the stars are alive through several encounters in the game, Radahn fought a war against the stars and won, etc. The stars are either outer gods or serve the Dark Moon, which is an outer god.

the stars are not gods retard
>b-b-but fate
still not gods

>simps
yep, this board is done for

The dark moon is not a god, retard. The dark moon doesn’t even have anything to do with the stars, that’s the Black Moon. The Black Moon has emphasis, the dark moon doesn’t. You faggots can’t even distinguish between them for some reason even though we know there’s clearly multiple goddamn moons in the game. I’m sick of this youtuber-tier idea propagating here.

Yes, he became a witch(male).

can't spread any more through the roots of a dead burning tree, ez

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Anons, it's a black, as in dark, moon. The Dark Moon is the black moon, and its era has the same name between the Eternal City and Ranni. The Dark Moon is something that exists, as Ranni's teacher outright tells her to fear it, as noted in the ice spells. It's not some chuuni thing she made up. Nokron even uses Starlight Shards and the like for the types of potions Seluvis makes, as the Nightmaiden & Swordstress Puppets are found down in Nokstella. Ranni is still dependent on an outer god, and it has puppet strings right on her soul as a requirement to use the Fingerslayer Blade.

You’re making connections that aren’t there in order to support your headcanon. If you don’t have anything that says the dark moon guided the stars then you don’t have a basis for your argument. These entities are named differently for a reason. If From wanted to draw that parallel then they would’ve done so.

From the Moon of Nokstella talisman:

>This legendary talisman is a treasure of Nokstella, the Eternal City. Increases memory slots. This talisman represents the lost black moon. The moon of Nokstella was the guide of countless stars.

Nokron/Nokstella "lost" the moon and sky because an Astel literally buried their city underground, not because the sky was destroyed.

>Memory Stone
>Said to be a fragment of the black moon that once hung above the Eternal City.
Or maybe it was actually destroyed in some way. Again, nothing ties guiding the stars to the dark moon or full moon. Still waiting on something more substantial than speculation.

>because an Astel literally buried their city underground
They were banished by the GW, THEN they got attacked by Astel

I killed way more demigods than she did, why should I care about Godwyn in particular?

I don't understand what I'm seeing

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