Is it me or am I noticing every AAA and AA game flopping left and right?

Didn't flop.

But I said Western games though

>video games are too big to fail.

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those all flopped hard as fuck lol

keep dreaming, back then they didn't control the industry. Now they do.

I don't know about "flopping" but many AAA games are underperforming despite high sales simply due to the insanely inflated budgets games have nowadays. They can sell millions and are still going out of business.

Even garbage like TOR eventually made their development cost back.

>Customer confidence is the degree to which a B2B customer feels confident they have taken the necessary steps to make the right decisions for a complex purchase. High customer confidence results in a high-quality, low-regret purchase.

So did ET. But tell that to investors.

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>Make 500$ consoles you cant produce enough of during an economic downturn
>Pump more and more money into the games then ever before, increase the price of games
>WHY ARE WE FLOPPING

I wonder why the switch is selling so well

The switch has games and it's not a scuffed PC for the living room?

Huge budgets spent on marketing that is complete trash like that Aloy beard thing in Horizon. I was told Far Cry 6 was woke but tried it anyway and even finished and that will be the last game I play from Ubisoft aside from anno because there isn't much of a story to those games and they are made by autistic euros.

>Even garbage like TOR eventually made their development cost back.

TOR didn't "make their development cost back" they made almost 4 billion dollars of profit to this point

that's with a B

I thought they fixed the game like ARR with FF? maybe not quite that drastic but you get the idea.

There are no fucking games to play on ps5
There are no overarching popular pc games
At the moment there is nothing that feels like it happening or popular, every game feels like a back alley
No one uses voice chat anymore, everything is dead
We are living in a corpse

yeah it got "fixed", animations actually worked and game breaking bugs were ironed out but that's about it.

Not even close to what ARR did to FFXIV.

It’s not a flop, but it’s not good enough. Once they add multiplayer dedicated zones we’ll see
I’m hoping there are leaderboards and different mp battle types like 3 on 1 or 2v2
They need to push their multiplayer because right now there really isn’t a reason to play besides fun and that’s kinda boring, I’ve deleted like 12 games recently where the only purpose is fun, there needs to be competition

no thats tortanic poster cope, no game has ever gotten the ff14 treatment literally in gaming history

>the only purpose is fun
That's literally every game ever user.
Maybe you were the problem all along.

i don't think you understand what a flop is user... w3 reforged is a flop

so im assuming it survived just because its Star Wars even though SW is shit now? God I hate Bioware and want them to just shut down so bad

Too many players are making the swap to GaaS titles and mobile games. It's a huge problem in Japan where Apex Legends, XIV, and Genshin are some of their biggest games to the point where it's hurting Playstation game sales when everyone would rather continue playing those than buying something new and Japan's mobile game scene is obviously gigantic and dwarfing the traditional gaming scene. Sony acknowledging that they need to shift to more GaaS model titles is all you need to know that it's the "future" of gaming, where they can release half finished games and then shut them down if they're a flop and save money or make retarded amounts off whales if they succeed and have them fund the rest of the game.

I'm not looking forward to it, I already dislike early access and this is just going to be the same thing except worse when they add gambling elements to it to offset it being F2P to attract more users. Sony owns Aniplex so they can release a big GaaS Fate title, if that explodes in popularity we're basically doomed to 10 years of AAA and AA GaaS hell.

the critical element that Yea Forums never understood was the gigantic hordes of gen x star wars fans

many of them are basically the last americans to make good money

genshin impact isn't so popular because it's "half finished"

it's so popular because what you get, being part of it as it goes along, is greater than the whole of so many "finished" games

people shit on that game so much here without giving any credit to what it's doing right and the ways it wins in keeping players engaged

It survived because they bait and switched everyone that bought it 'early'. The made the game f2p and then went HAHA FUCK YOU NIGGERS FOR BUYING THE GAME then removed 90% of their inventory and made it subscription online for inventory.

er subscription only. I sitll have brain cancer from paying for it.

>this game survived despite everything because it fucked over its players!
retard take

it survived because its star wars and to play through the entire game takes like 2,000 hours at this point

It's you, yeah. You've become a retarded blackpill cunt unable to see reality. Even the biggest "flop" of recent times, Battlefield, sold like 15 million copies and is getting a sequel right away.

>Sell out of consoles as fast as you can produce them
>Videogames turn record profits year after year
>People somehow think that they're failing
This thread is amusing. Videogames are the new movie industry. Flashy things that appeal to the masses. Just cause you think it's shit doesn't mean the average person won't eat it up.

>playing for fun is boring
wut

good to know Yea Forums was right about that game for once

It's "half finished" in that they get to release the game early, they don't need to spend 5 years developing the game when they can release a portion of it instead and then provide the rest via updates. That's why it's such a lucrative model, instead of wasting 5 years on a flop or under performing game you can spend less making it, spend less time developing it initially, and if it's a success then you can continue. If not, you shut it down and try again.

I imagine it's going to be the same thing we saw in the mobile game industry before the bubble burst, just with higher budgets now.

the video game industry has been bigger than the movie industry for almost 20 years :)

People laugh at boomers but man, i'm super jelly of the amount of money some of them make for basically nothing, imagine whaling $3000 to get the han solo light saber cock of truth and then proceed to beat the shit out of your kid cause he simped $20 to a vtuber dog

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By just for fun I mean like how there is no meaningful progression built into games anymore and games like bf 2042 literally took out the scoreboard and many multiplayer games have meaningless multiplayer modes

>implying that people would've continued paying full price for a broken MMO where you get banned for looting chests
>implying your actually smart enough to call someone a retard
Of course it wasn't a single factor, but the game was dying because nobody wanted to pay full price for battlefront v.002

>I imagine it's going to be the same thing we saw in the mobile game industry before the bubble burst

the bubble isn't going to burst, i'm not going to stop spending ~$30 on genshin impact a month and then when i stop i will move on to the new best game. I won't ever play more than 2 like that, and probably never more than 1.

in comparison, i've spent $60 on elden ring this year and will spen $60 on starfield and that's all i will spend on conventional games

this isn't going to be something that goes away, because i've played video games for 35 years, and these days basically none of them engage me like genshin impact does. not even close.

The only company with actual flops nowadays is square enix. The other "flops" you see posted on the internet are either flops from a reception perspective, or games that have stagnant sales; still sell a shitton but it's never enough for the publishers
Also BF and CoD are the ones that give the biggest illusion of everything falling apart. They know they have to get their shit together

Games have become micro metaverses for a long time now, if there is not a meta verse built into a game at this point it’s kinda a dead thing, you can even do this easily with single player games, but I don’t want to feel isolated while gaming anymore.

>right now there really isn’t a reason to play besides fun and that’s kinda boring.

I'm fucking dying here.

What the fuck happened man? We used to play games JUST to have fun.

subtract casino mobile games

>They know they have to get their shit together

lol they really don't, not after following up BFV with BF2042

sometimes things really are rotten all the way to the tree

Retards regret buying games, yet their life is devoid of anything because we are being forced to stay indoors, covid was a sham. Outisde spaces are dissapearing, crime and pollution is destroying everything. What are people doing then? spending hours in the computer and cellphones indoors.

Yeah man if I game as much as I do I want to earn something worthwhile, not just play a game for fun like a child

subtract AAA plotless action fests.

Games stopped being about fun after dosh tournaments started happening.

Playing for fun and having fun while playing are 2 different things
Playing Tetris alone is fun
Playing a game to get the high score and having fun while doing it is a challenge, and is fun, and has an end goal

BFV is a good example of a dead game that is only worth playing for fun so it becomes pointless.
No one uses voice chat, I unlocked everything in the first month it was out, and now you just play
Play play play
But accomplish nothing

>video games
>accomplish

your generation actually doesn't get it :(

Vietnam or 5?

Good point, I believe they don’t want to make good games on purpose because the Talmud says beauty and pleasure are evil

I think we're about to be on the verge of either a major shift in game developemnt or a complete sterilization of AA and AAA gaming
Normies do not fall for the yearly CoD/BF/assassin's creed releases anymore, but then there's projects like god of war that take up to half a decade of development and even if they sell well, those cycles are way too long for them to be worth it. I'm sure it's the same thing that konami thought when MGSV took a shitton of time to make and even though they recovered dev costs on day one, it was still not enough
We'll see what people will do once UE5 becomes available for everyone

I'm saying the mobile game bubble burst, which it did. There used to be new notable releases almost weekly, as companies rushed out games in a digital gold rush. That's mostly died down now, partially because of Genshin setting such a high standard that they can't rely on their angry birds clones to attract players. Way back the mobage website was filled with the same exact card battle game like Rage of Bahamut but with different skins for every franchise imaginable, that's when it was at its peak and that continued as they shifted from mobile browser games to mobile apps and we kept getting the same few games recycled with different skins.

Although, eventually the GaaS bubble should burst too but that requires some new formula to come out and dethrone it. Which could possibly be the start of VR but I do believe GaaS is here to stay for a while. That's why I mentioned 10 years in the initial post, I can easily see them lasting that long before some new monetization strategy is devised or some new game changes everything. Until then though, I think we're going to end up seeing a GaaS gold rush, where games like that 7 Deadly Sins Genshin clone get released as everyone tries to cash in. I can see most companies going the Mobile/Console/PC route for their titles too because of what a success Genshin has been using it.

lots of good games come out, you just ignore them so you can shitpost on an azerbaijanian talmudic inspirational chanting circle

with the amount of copy-pasting we see nowadays I doubt they aren't getting profits even if 3 people are buying their stuff

I don't know where you're living, they got you in prison? Shit only keeps getter better near me

Elden Ring unironically ate the market for a couple of months. Same reason that sane developers avoided the CoD release window in years past.

>there really isn’t a reason to play besides fun and that’s kinda boring

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>Which could possibly be the start of VR

VR isn't going to matter for a long, long time. Not until it's the same as a pair of sunglasses or less.

I got a quest 2 a while back and just couldn't believe anyone would spend any time in it.

To be fair Stranger of Paradise decided to go epic exclusive so a lot of people lost interest.

AAA maybe because of their insane budget and dev time, but you've got quite a few AA games like Elden Ring and Kirby Forbidden Land that have turned out quite a success

Also Babylon's Fail, game by "our" beloved studio platinum games kek

also there cannot just be a gaas bubble, genshin is not easily replicable, people will not be swayed by lesser competitors. it's going to have a GTA-like death grip for years

largely because people like me, i'm older, and when i look at any new game now i immediately compare how much time it is asking me to spend per day vs genshin impact. genshin impact wants like 30 minutes, which is still too much but fine.

when i started playing lost ark and i saw it wanted me to do 400 things daily, i just uninstalled it right at that moment. felt like i was paying to have a job.

If you want competition and to not have fun, go find a job. You'll even get money as a reward!

5, with 5 having no more updates (they abandoned it early) and 2042 being dead on arrival, the bf community is split between 4, 1, and V and is essentially dead.

Yeah I mean tricked into accomplishing nothing by a video game but still it’s better than the fucking shit they release nowadays where you play for nothing or skins.

Platinum has been hemorrhaging fans like fucking crazy. Steam's Wonderful 101 release is < 400 reviews.

Well games are a tool to dumb down the masses, but the masses yearn for intelligent games

5 has the biggest player base for now though (yes I know most of them are Chinks, but still).
And about your earlier post, WTF do you mean by "accomplish nothing"? I play video games for fun and nothing more and I found the gameplay in 5 fun enough to invest more hours into it than any Battlefield since 2142.

Man I used to play BF1 and I stopped because THE SOUNDS

the game literally fucking tricked my brain into thinking I was in war or something and I had the most stressful feeling playing it, no game has ever done that to me, and I can tell it was 100% the sound design

What good games are out that have a good community and good progression?

I'll wait til it's $10 on steam

zero. you dont play video games for "community" you play them for video games

i just tell everyone to play genshin impact now anyway thought :D

Are you murrican? if so, LMAOOOOO

Do you feel accomplished when you win a game in V? I don’t
Do you have friends that play v and use voice chat? I don’t
I’ve unlocked every weapon and gadget in v
I haven’t even played “that much”
There is nothing more for me there, even before the extra maps I was done with the game and here I am 2 years later still almost stuck on it because there is nothing else

>Most talked about game in current year is a game that came out 13 years ago, but now with open world
State of gaming everyone

>when i started playing lost ark and i saw it wanted me to do 400 things daily, i just uninstalled it right at that moment. felt like i was paying to have a job.
Yeah, same here. For the rest of your post, that's exactly what happened to the mobile market for a long time. The industry leaders were Puzzle and Dragons, Fate/Grand Order, Monster Strike, Idolm@ster, and other titles that launched early on and then people stuck with them instead of swapping to competitors. The competitors mostly shut down but those games are still popular now because they're coasting off their original popularity, although over time they lost players due to general fatigue or some new big release stealing a few players away at a time.

If you're an oldfag, it's quite similar to the MMO rush of the 00's in the west. Where people would try out new big releases and maybe a few would stick with them but the majority returned to their original title instead, waiting for the game to come out and kill the one they always end up going back to. So I think Genshin is going to hold onto it's leader position for quite a while because your point of view is very common but that's not going to stop companies from trying to get a slice of the pie, like with that 7DS game.

There's several reasons
>Reduced return on graphics per gen
>There's little novelty to western AAA games right now, most games are either part of a long-running series or are virtually the same as some other game
>lowish stock of current gen consoles
>lots of players preferring to watch streamers play singleplayer games and only invest into service games
>Pandering is currently being done for alphabet people instead of the actual average person
I'm only looking forward to some eastern games every now and then and indies
yeah its a shame that social apps and insane moderation sort of killed voice chat, are consoles still good for it?

Yep, 1 was great, they should have kept it going and switched to a GaaS form and added in wwii Guns and maps
That would be sick and epic
But they don’t want to do that because they are evil

>isn’t a reason to play besides fun and that’s kinda boring
>the only purpose is fun, there needs to be competition
Unironically kill yourself you autistic subhuman nigger.

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Yeah it feels good when the team I am on wins (provided the enemy actually put up a challenge because a one sided stomp is boring from either perspective).
I do have friends that play but honestly, they're not very good (better than the overwhelming majority of blueberries though).
I've not unlocked everything because some things (like the Firecrackers) are completely useless.
I play because it's fun to me, nothing more and nothing less.

Yeah honestly elden ring should be considered shit but there’s literally nothing better than it
Imagine if cyberpunk was like the next gen version of gtav and it became its own meta verse like an mmo RuneScape with an economy and rare items and shit
That’s the next gen experience we are expecting and waiting for

Also adding that lots of gamers are hooked on progression elements in games, so if games don't have an active comp scene or tons of battlepass shit everywhere people will get bored of it quickly, games aren't really played for the fun of it anymore

Nope ps5 has no games I can find where someone will voice chat

you're right but if you haven't played it i would still recommend it. it may not be for you but for people who like soul it's................literally one of the most soulful games of all time?

it still feels wrong to type because it's a chinese, money grubbing game, but it's true

youtube.com/watch?v=cQDMEycrYCs

Didn't nier replicant sell decently tho?