Did the Dreamcast fail because it was actually a bad console (in terms of hardware and software), bad marketing...

>the blame comes down to Sega of Japan
You mean Sega of America. They were both shit, but SoA fucked the Saturn launch so hard they could never recover. Meanwhile, the Saturn sold more than N64 in Japan, and actually had a shit ton of great games.

No, I mean SoJ.

Sega are a retarded company. This hasn't changed over time either. The dreamcast was a great console but it's been a positive thing for the video game industry that it failed. Fuck Sega.

Which is it?

yeah bro, sega dropped out of the console industry and now instead of incompetent retards who make good games also making consoles we have competent retards who fuck us in the ass 24/7! but those dvds and madden were sure worth it!

>They were both shit, but SoA fucked the Saturn launch so hard they could never recover.
That was mandated by SoJ. Here are some other choice highlights of their genius.
>instructed SoA to develop and produce the 32X, despite knowing the Saturn was on the way
>fucked over Tom Kalinske, the guy who made Nintendo the minority in the 1994 console market, so hard that he resigned
>replaced Tom Kalinske with Bernie Stolar, a guy who publicly said the Saturn was shit and had no future, and also blocked many 2D games from coming overseas
>fucked over the Sonic X-Treme devs by forcing them to stop using Yuji Naka's engine just because he didn't want them to, resulting in no Sonic platformer for the Saturn
>insisted on using an NEC-made chipset for the Dreamcast despite it being weaker than the American proposal, pissing off EA enough that they'd refuse to release games for Dreamcast

>>instructed SoA to develop and produce the 32X, despite knowing the Saturn was on the way

man they were honestly too stupid to survive

>The PS2 was a disaster for vidy-

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Sega pioneered DLC. Fuck Sega.

There's nothing wrong with DLC, though.

Do you know why they wanted to rush to get the 32X out? It was because they were afraid of the ATARI JAGUAR.

>instructed SoA to develop and produce the 32X, despite knowing the Saturn was on the way
You interpreted that statement wrong. SoJ were putting their full weight behind the Saturn but SoA thought the Genesis still had legs. Someone suggested an add-on that would leverage the large Gen install base and be cheap. SoJ said "you want that, you'll have to develop it." So they did. So the correct way of saying it is:
"SoA got told to develop the 32X themselves since SoJ were too busy on the actual next-gen machine to do it and didn't see any benefit to extending the life of a console that failed in Japan."

kek. i had an atari jaguar

it may seem ridiculous now, but really nobody knew what was going to happen in the mid 90s in gaming.

yes
the library had fuck all to do with the ps2's early success, the fucking thing had no games until after the dreamcast had already been discontinued, it won the generation the year it launched and it did it by being a dvd player and pandering to normalfaggots as much as possible, because it sure as fuck wasn't for bad ports of dreamcast games (like DOA 2) or fucking fantavision, the games only came as it became clear the hard to develop for, weaker dvd player had won the generation against even the then upcoming xbox and gamecube, now you have sony repeating the ps2 formula over and over again except this time the games never come because normalfags don't need games, and microshit failing to repeat said formula, with nintendo looking for different ways to appeal to normalfags instead of making actually good videogames
so i hope you enjoy the current state of videogames, because you ps2 niggers sure as fuck earned it.
also not a single western developed ps2 first party was any good

>You interpreted that statement wrong.
You're right, I left out that SoJ originally wanted the 32X to be a completely separate console

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>>insisted on using an NEC-made chipset for the Dreamcast despite it being weaker than the American proposal, pissing off EA enough that they'd refuse to release games for Dreamcast
"Insisted" is the wrong word. The problem was that they had already signed a deal with NEC for the PowerVR when SoA off their own back tried to make a deal with 3dfx which they had no authority to do. Also the PowerVR as implemented in the Dreamcast was not less powerful than a 3dfx. Don't judge the PVR by the crippleware that it ran on PC. When devs were developing actual games instead of ramshackle porting of old DOS and Direct3D engines it did really well. And not to mention that later 3dfx chipsets were large, hot and expensive - three things that don't work in a console so even if you did get the 3dfx it would have been a crippled, cost reduced version where the more efficient PowerVR wound up being a more powerful version than the PC.

Hahahhahahahahahahhaah zoom zoom detected

SoJ wanted a full new console that was just a Genesis with a better color palette to compete against the Jaguar, the 32X was a compromise that was slightly less retarded since SoJ wouldn't budge from needing to react to the Jaguar and wouldn't even accept just releasing a way cheaper standalone SVP (from the MD port of Virtua Racer) instead, you're a retard and you should stop posting as soon as possible.
I agree with you for the most part but the 3dfx deal was doomed from the beginning, by 1998 they were already finding ways to self destruct.

>And not to mention that later 3dfx chipsets were large, hot and expensive - three things that don't work in a console so even if you did get the 3dfx it would have been a crippled, cost reduced version where the more efficient PowerVR wound up being a more powerful version than the PC.

doesn't work like that at all. you appear to know nothing about semiconductor design and are just winging it

3dfx's chips for pc applications were to have been meaningless, new custom silicon would have been designed

> where the more efficient PowerVR wound up being a more powerful version than the PC.
would've been sold as a PC product were that true.

>SoA off their own back tried to make a deal with 3dfx which they had no authority to do
user, please.
gamasutra.com/view/feature/4128/the_rise_and_fall_of_the_dreamcast.php?print=1
>In 1997, Sega of Japan tasked two engineering teams to compete for the design of the Dreamcast. Internally, Sega's President Shoichiro Irimajiri assigned Hideki Sato, who had designed the Saturn, to come up with a chipset design. Externally, Irimajiri created an 11-man "skunkworks" team outside of Sega to create a competing design, led by IBM alumnus Tatsuo Yamamoto; that project was codenamed Blackbelt.
>Numerous reports indicate Yamamoto's Blackbelt chipset using the 3Dfx chips was the more powerful of the two. Sega executives, however, still fuming at 3Dfx, severed their contract with the chip maker. (Soon thereafter, 3Dfx sued Sega and both companies settled out of court.)

YOOOOOO the game where low-polygon man runs around and you press square for light attack and triangle for strong attack

PS2 library was kinooooooo

>small free updates and optional content = modern paid DLC
retard

They pioneered paid online services too.

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What is with the SoJ apologist? With everything recorded why would you think it was SoA that fuck up when SoJ kept punching them down everytime their idea work?

you think this was the first paid online service?

those existed for consoles since the fucking intellivision, none of this changes the fact that sony killed videogames

>What is with the SoJ apologist?
Too much HRT.

>Fur Fighters
God I wish they re-release that game on modern consoles
So much fun

Just glancing over the Dreamcast wikipedia article
>However, Sega could not achieve its shipping goals for the Dreamcast's Japanese launch due to a shortage of PowerVR chipsets caused by a high failure rate in the manufacturing process
Wow, that was a good decision

Sony is the only thing keeping vidya alive.

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>only out for 2 years
>tons of classics and cult hits
The Dreamcast was too fucking good, I can't imagine how incredible it could have been if it actually had the chance to live.

Sega are truly a cancerous sore on video gMe history. If they were still making consoles they would be more hated than EA.

how? by releasing endless garbage like the horizon series? by fucking over smaller japanese developers? by buying trashpiles like modern bungie? by releasing consoles with no games over and over again? by sabotaging their own handhelds? by selectively censoring games?
please tell me how is sony keeping games alive you dumb gay retard

This
There's enough documentation about how Segas balance between the US and JP in the heyday of the Genesis was what got them their edge to go head on with Nintendo
They were always on the innovating edge tech wise even if certain aspects came up short
At the end of the day Sega of JP got annoyed with how Kalinske was such a successful maverick running Sega of America so they started to over power him and thats how you eventually got bad decisions like releasing the Saturn early, the 32X as a whole and other poor choices that would just ruin them perception wise
Nintendo didn't make the best choices either in this time with their draconian mindset and choosing to back hand Sony but their more conservative and sure choices and dominance in the handheld space helped them keep trucking
Sega took too many risks, some of them were rad as fuck but some were also office politics stupid and resulted in them giving up on hardware
Dreamcast would probably had done better if the Saturn wasn't such a flop but also, Dreamcast would have come out at least a year or two later if that were also the case and would probably not have had the "competition" issues it did
The reason there's an air of magical nostalgia towards it now is because it was this crazy piece of future tech for its time, but that was because it had to be, Sega had to make one final gamble after the Saturn

Meant to tag this user

>The reason there's an air of magical nostalgia towards it now is because it was this crazy piece of future tech for its time

No it wasn't. It didn't feel "Crazy future tech" at all, it felt like an incremental improvement over the PS1. that's all anyone considered it as. stuff like the memory cards were looked at as a dumb novelty in their own time, and we had already seen the need for there to be two analog sticks.

rendering was already more advanced on PC, several years prior.

I don't think there is an air of magical nostalgia in regard to the dreamcast at all.

i think you need to take your meds

It got mogged by PS2. Simple as.

Find a flaw.

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>No it wasn't
How old are you?

look at this sick ass next gen ps2 game so much different from the ps1

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>Rainbow
Dilate

old enough to have been there. nobody considred the dreamcast "Crazy future tech" it doesn't even support shaders in hardware

there was nothing about it that wasn't an incremental improvement and stuff like gd-rom and the memory cards was widely seen as wasting money, on release.

>it doesn't even support shaders in hardware
>it's this fucking retard again

Xbox and Dreamcast were the best 6th gen consoles.

Superior competition. Sony really knocked it out with the PS1, and then the anticipation for the PS2 and the Kessen and Onimusha screen shots made it so a lot of people held out for the PS2. While PS2 games were like the quality shown in cutscenes, it was still a good jump.

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By harboring the best games in the industry.

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onimusha series was so good. really hoping it comes back. i think it will

please show me the best games in the industry because the ps5 doesn't have any real games to begin with

Based

so this... is the power of the ps2... wow...

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Meanwhile, in reality...

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not a launch title

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Looks better than the recent pokemon game.

Does it?

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>first console web browser
>first console mmo
>first free updates you can download online and seasonal events for games
>the vmu being a (poor) portable you could bring to school to go along side in depth mini games like chao racing
>played up the japanese angle when anime first started to be "cool" with shit like flcl
Nah, it felt next gen for a console. One of the defining "oh fuck" moments in gaming for me is playing the Sonic Adventure demo at Toys R Us and doing the chase scene with the whale, that blew me away. I had to have a Dreamcast despite being an avid Nintendo fan at the time that never owned a Sega console.

Obviously PC was its own beast and had some mindblowing titles at the time like Battlezone 2 and the Forcefeed Pro combined with Mech Warrior 3 was insane as fuck and it had its own MMOs like UO and EQ but PCs were still expensive then, I think my parents spent $1200 at the Gateway store while the Dreamcast was $200.The Dreamcast was the first entry point for a lot of that "next gen" online gaming for many because they were priced out of a decent PC which is why the Internet was better then. Fuck, I had to upgrade my graphics card in that $1200 PC 2 years later just to get FFXI to run, being a PC gamer back then was hell and you had to constantly upgrade.

Yes, look at that general haze that game has.

yes, that pokemon game looks embarrassingly bad

literally the worst visual finished product ever released in the video games industry relative to publisher budget/resources

that sickly washed-out look the whole game has, ugh

learn to read retard, this is a dreamcast discussion, thefore the only relevant ps2 games are the ones that were available for purchase during the time both consoles shared the market and were in production (april 2000 to march 2001)
note how the best you'll get is a downgrade over ridge racer type 4 and the ugly tekken tech demo which didn't even have backgrounds that correctly followed the perspective of the foreground, something fucking soul calibur could do a year before.

yes, it's the ugliest game released during the last 10 years by far

SOUL

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looks like a low budget Dreamcast game

nobody in the world dialed up to fucking internet on a fucking dreamcast lmao
>first console MMO
which was played only in japan
>>first free updates you can download online and seasonal events for games
absolutely nobody had ad reamcast connected online
>>the vmu being a (poor) portable you could bring to school to go along side in depth mini games like chao racing
Absolutely nobody ever did this

that perception didn't exist. the fact that the dreamcast could dial up and shit was just totally meaningless. GRAPHICS are what matter to the average person and the dreamcast was an incremental development over the ps1

>The Dreamcast was the first entry point for a lot of that "next gen" online gaming
You missed have lived in Japan because this simply was not a thing period. NOBODY used it online in any way.

maybe you are from southern california.