It really can't be overstated how much more well-designed Orphan, Isshin, Friede and Gael are than Malenia

Yeah because they're much easier, literally braindead compared to Malenia.

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>only a problem in coop
>coop
you didnt beat the game

I just reached her and had like one try, it didn't feel nearly as hard as people here make it. She's even stagerable

Post build, level and gear.

>Orphan
Trash
>Friede
Trash
>Gael
Meh, and the AAAAAAAAAAAA soundtracks made him feel cheesey as shit
>Isshin
Malenia is a discount Isshin in a discount Sekiro open world game, which is why she is my favourite boss in ER.
I am just thinking about how cool her fight would be if ER had more sekiro elements or if she was just put into Sekiro.
Would be a pure kino bossfu.

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Here's a you because iktf

Phase 2 Friede was godawful

thanks bro

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It should be illegal to be this wrong.

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Yea, they just get stuck on the wrong strategy and think that getting angrier is going to make it work eventually

Well, you can brag about it here. Good job, user.

Elden rings main flaw is doing nothing with the simplistic souls combat like sekiro and to a lesser extent bloodborne did. They made the bosses bullshit on purpose because they knew with the open world formula you could break the game with certain builds, so if you aren't playing cheaply, the expect you to summon and use spirit summons to deal with these bosses that read inputs and have RNG punishes so you are rarely fully safe. those are your options, break the game with muh lazer builds and shit or play it like a souls game and summon to fuck their agro and ruin the gameplay. Do not expect boss fights to have any substance, you you go in trying to memorize the patterns or whatever you are playing elden ring wrong.

Elden ring is boring. you discover stuff and most of if it useless to you, the gameplay is bland, it offers nothing new. I haven't played it in a month, losing interest at the capital after 40 hours.

thanks

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His AoE shit is cancer and would be a great boss if he had more 1v1 duel moves.

No matter how "objectively" well designed the boss is if you keep dying to that boss over and over and over again you gradually lose your ability to rate it "objectively".
The vast majority of people will NEVER rate a boss 10\10 if they have spent like 5+ hours on it.
The same way much more people will praise the gimmick boss that dies in a few attempts but throws some flashy bing-bing wahoo shit.
It's understandable why so many people throw autism tantrums over Malenia and try to find a way to shit on her.
Imagine a situation where you die to (for example, from your list) Friede 150+ times in a row in a blind walkthrough. Would you call her
>well-designed, 10/10
after that? Extremely highly unlikely. You would say that she - bullshit, unfair, overtuned etc.

No, some of my favorite bosses in the series took me the most tries. The ones I listed and Midir, for instance.

Many such cases!

Isshin fucking murdered me for 5 hours and that's the reason he's my favourite boss.

Friede is a 10/10 and I died to her the most out every fromsoftware game. Elden Ring bosses are just mostly shit.

Well it works the same the other way around, if it only takes you a few tries to beat a boss it obviously didn't have enough depth to be a challenge, in fact I'd say having fought a boss multiple times gives you a much better understanding of it and thus a more objective outlook on it

Ishhin is shit, Friede and Gael are brain dead easy. Orphan is good.
Malenia is the only one that is actually in her own "superboss" tier, and she's well designed as a superboss. 1v1 with a plain greatsword, she's a fantastic fight.

orphan was the perfect boss

A literal brain damaged chimpanzee named DSP beat Isshin on his second try

That means it wasn't enough tries for you to start losing your shit. It still felt "fair", within the range you can accept.
It's like
>yeah that boss looked cool for me and I died 50 times but it's okay cause I knew it was a hard boss
Try like
>yeah that boss didn't look cool for me and I died 500 times
A lot of people will never accept a 2nd option. If you can grind something like this for several hours straight and then call it 10\10 you're a minority for sure.

>Look him up
>10 deaths miniumum
Why you lying user.
Also i didn't use arts or play like a pussy, stood next to him the whole time.

Friede is one of the worst bosses ever desgined by FromSoft strictly because of Phase 2.

No boss has taken me that many tries. I would have to be running a truly awful build for that and would have realized that I need to change something long before then.

Overall:
>RL ~125
>VIT 45
>DEX 40, FTH slightly less
> Keen Hookclaws and fingerprint armor

I don't know what you looked up, DSP stood in Isshin's face and wailed on him and beat him in 2 tries. Cope and seethe.

Gael's fight is the most fun I've had in a From Soft game.

Let's see (You) beat it second try or fuck off, faggot.

Well do you think
>finally beat Malenia after x days (or a week sometimes lmao)
posts are a meme? Well at least I saw from l*ddit. There are people who legit suffer for this long. Of course they will hate it.

>Watch him in a youtube video
>Running in and out every 3 seconds
>user just making shit up to cope
Tell me what you actually think is the hardest boss, I have 100% every fromsoft game with basic-bitch melee builds, I will probably think it was joke boss seeing as only Sekiro bosses pegged me as difficult.

It was on his 4th try and for what it's worth he had his stream helping him, telling him what was strong against him

Meant for oof

Nope, it took me 2 hours. But I hated sekiro and sped through it, was missing health, posture, and prosthetics when i fought him. Got the retard ending where sekiro kills himself and never touched the game again.

Those bosses have well considered movesets that cause the player to adapt until the fight becomes a rhythmic dance.

Malenia has a worse moveset than the Crucible knights (mini bosses) then does a retarded anime attack that heals her.

She's the "that kid" of bosses.

because he's easy but le EPIC

Well those games had more SOUL, this game is overbloated mess and she is a disgusting rot whore.

But I'm not talking about them, I'm talking about me. It didn't take me 500 tries to beat her but she didn't seem nearly as well-designed to me.

>But I hated sekiro
t.shit eater

The issue with Malenia is that her moveset is wildly imbalanced in power, where Waterfowl is her only consistently considerably lethal move.
If we had that beta version of Waterfowl, no-one would really remember her that much, it feels like they overtuned Waterfowl to balance out the rest of her kit.
Which makes sense on paper, except it makes the boss more RNG dependant than bosses ought to be.
I've seen her use it only once or twice in a fight and I've seen her use it repeatedly in a fight and you can guess which fights end prematurely.

I think she would be a great fight without the stupid waterfowl dance. It forces you to play super passively because if you are mid-combo and she does it you are screwed unless u have bloodhound step.

Happy to see there are more losers like me out there

wtf why i cant i play a game with a completely different name the same way as Dark Souls?? this is as bad as when dodges were nerfed in Sekiro, so cheap and unfair. too hard!!

Here's a tip use jump r1 instead of jump R2 or L1. You fags seem to think everything should have enough recovery and startup to fit the same move every time.

She has the same amount of depth as Gundyr. Just parry and roll out of the way of bad parry set-ups.

Good job user, bigger man than me. I'm going to have a friend help me with her after my own 6 day crusade of trying to solo her

kill yourself

>youtube.com/watch?v=_tOfAdBvQRQ
>even Ongbal uses Bloodhound Step and a Frost weapon when doing his SL1 no hit parry only Malenia kill
B-Bros, if even Ongbal can't beat the game, what hope do any of the rest of us have?

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>she's well designed as a superboss
>can randomly decide to give any arbitrary attack infinite hyperarmor just to make it so it's literally never safe to attack her
>well designed
"no"

We can praise each other, user

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The Hideous Teriyaki defense force checklist
>you didn't play it
>you played it too much
>filtered
>cope
>seethe
>git gud
>no one cares
>previous souls games were shit anyway
>works fine on my machine
>they patched it
>ubisoft/horizon dev
>shazamtranny
>ADHD zoomer
>discord raider
>too long didn't read
>input reading is a fair game mechanic and how AI works
>they added bodytype A/B at the last minute to appease americans
>Tanimura is to blame for that
>GRRM is to blame for that
>reusing bosses is fine because if you missed the crucible knight at that one dungeon you'll still get to experience that unique fight in another dungeon nearby
>reusing dungeons is standard open world design
>it's good because it doesn't have a questlog or a minimap
>it makes some literal who on twitter seethe, you have to like it *unholsters twatter screencap*
>it's kino GOTD 10/10 greatest game of all time cuz my favorite literally who infleuncer said so, *unholsters twatter screencap*
>it sold gangbusters, trillions of flies can't be wrong
>DS1 had 8 copypasted titanite demons, check mate
>DS3 had 25 copypasted deacons in the deacons bossfight, checkmate
>it's not a movie game, so you have to like it
>I'm a woman
>just skip the copypasted content bro it's optional
>just play the legacy dungeons and ignore 80% of the game bro
>all souls games fall off past a certain point bro, it's normal
>all open worlds recycle content, it's normal
>that quest is actually finished, it's just no one found the trigger
>just level VIG
>>he levelled VIG

>Sl1 no hit
Is not how you're supposed to beat the game with. Besides there's already one who beat Malenia sl1 with no run roll jumping.

>some fag on Yea Forums unironically claiming one of the best players in the world didn't beat the game after beating the game without getting hit melee only no summons or heals
seek grass

That's what people said about those bosses back when they were contemporary, then people learned the fights and quit whining.

>dude the boss is easy, all you have to do is practice it nonstop for like 6 consecutive years