>entire game is about the good guys trying to explain to the bad guys that change is inevitable even going so far as to have symbolism to Buddhism and how trying to archive immorality is a a fools errand
>final boss is a resurrected clan elder that has no problem with using a gun
I am sorry, did I miss something about the games theme?
Entire game is about the good guys trying to explain to the bad guys that change is inevitable even going so far as to...
Ryder Campbell
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Andrew Barnes
>that has no problem with using a gun
Why do you point this out? It's perfectly in line with the theme. He has no problem using modern weaponry, he accepted change.
Also, he is revived by the one who refuses to accept change. He did not ask to be revived, but he must honor his family's dying wish. He also has no problem being severed from immortality once his opponent has proved himself superior.
He lives for battle and he dies for battle.
Dominic Parker
He's a good guy.
Parker Campbell
>change is inevitable
>final boss embraces change and uses firearms
... What's the issue here?
Nathaniel Fisher
thanks for clearing that up for me
Oliver Taylor
He literally tells you there's nothing he can do to save Ashina, and condemns what his adopted son is doing (performing fucked up experiments to raise people into zombies, while metaphorically keeping Ashina alive through fucked up means).
Isshin is a gigachad that enjoys the thrill of battle, and incorporates every battle he's had into his very being, hence why he uses everything in his disposal (Tomoe's lightning, gyoubu's spearmanship, etc) but understands when old age catches up it is time to put up the mantle and retire like a man, so when he is inexpicably revived he decides to honor Genichiro's final wish, he even calls this act foolish but decides to follow through for the sake of his grandson.
Julian Allen
He says outright his "Invincible Ashina Style" is literally doing anything that wins the fight that isn't heretical, I.E. becoming immortal. The Mushin text has shittons of dishonurabu moves like
>Enhanced Mortal Blade
Can only be used by Sekiro because he can draw the blade
>Spiral Cloud Passage
Okami Warrior magic technique that resulted in nearly killing Isshin
>Shadowfall
Litteral shinobi technique
"If you hesitate you loose, that is the way of war"
Ian Torres
Wow he's an allegory for Americans
Carson Perry
Given it's Not-Japan, probably Nobunaga who had a hard-on for western firearms when most others didn't.
Sebastian Kelly
what if the final boss is a woman?
Aiden Turner
>Japan would be Catholic if Nobunaga wasn't assassinated
the timeline got fucked hundreds of years ago and it just keeps getting worse
Wyatt Diaz
Your grandson's dying wish is for you to perform an act you're morally opposed to.
>Honor the pop-pop code
>Break the pop-pop code
Jack Lewis
Did anyone else miss this? Sekiro has such small details, so fucking kino
Juan Hill
>Not-Japan
The actual events are obviously very dramatized but
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Ryan Torres
No it's literally Japan, it's literally the Sengoku and Ashina was a real clan and Mt Kongo is a real place. It's just fantasy history. Isshin and Owl both talk about it being Japan, though I think that the reason they're vague with the "Interior Ministry" was that Nobunaga was Interior Minister but IIRC Ashina was actually crushed by Hideyoshi, with guns, lots of guns.
The Black Mortal Blade forces the summoned to obey the will of the summoner, so Genny orders gramps to stop Sekiro, but Isshin bears him no ill will personally and is actually ashamed of his grandson's actions. Isshin just wanted to cross swords with Sekiro.
Connor Powell
>reject his wish, you don't get to fight wolfboy
>accept his wish, you get to fight wolfboy, in your prime no less
The choice was already made from the start.
David Bennett
I still haven't played Sekiro nor Elden Ring, which one should i play first?
Asher Cook
Sekiro is about 40 to 50 hours long. Elden Ring is much longer, why not go for the shortest first then the longest?
Brayden Young
Sounds logical to me
Levi Cruz
I'm going to boot up sekiro right now and beat every boss, thanks for reminding how good sekiro is user
Jason Green
he also congratulates you, if you attack him the first time he faints defeat between his first and second phase
Ryder Myers
>Finally beat him and stab him right through the back
>"Thats my boy..."
Wolf having personal relationships with the bosses gives Sekiro a kino that other from games can't replicate
Dominic Collins
Once you've played sekiro you can never go back to the dodgefest oriented combat that elden ring is built around.
Elden ring/(dark souls by extension) is built around fighting a boss by chipping away at its ankle while buzzing around him like a fly until it dies, Sekiro is built around confronting them directly with parries and counters that feels like an actual swordfight between two individuals, bossfights are quick even when you are unleveled as long as you outskill the enemy and parry/counter every move effectively, while in Elden ring it's all about the chipping and chipping more depending on how over/underleveled you are.
So play elden ring first and then play sekiro so you can appreciate the latter better.
Dominic Rivera
>Sekiro is built around confronting them directly with parries and counters that feels like an actual swordfight between two individuals
This right here, this ruined the souls formula for me. While playing Elden Ring I just thought to myself, man these bosses would be funner in Sekiro. And it even feels like some were made FOR Sekiro instead of a souls game, with how aggressive and relentless they are with attacks.
John Parker
Theme of the game is that clinging to the material world by any means necessary inevitably leads to corruption that makes living not worth it anymore (Dragonrot, centipedes, becoming a zombie praying for death like Hanbei, headless etc.).
What does using a gun got to do with it? Ashina's doctrine was "using any means necessary to win" when it comes to battlefield, which obviously includes firearms.
The only question would be WHY does Isshin not agree with Genichiro's plan of using dragonsblood to create gigawarriors capable of defending Ashina - my take is that Isshin looks past the immediate victory on the battlefield, and a win at extremely high cost is not worth it, its not just about killing the enemy, but also about living after.
Also - the guy you fight is Isshin summoned from the underworld using the black Mortal Blade
Cameron Turner
This guy is such a bastard on charmless+demon bell. I'm genuinely looking forward to getting past him to Sword Saint, I have his moves down much better.
Angel Hill
Nobunaga really did mess with the system in a country that, even to this day, does not embrace change.
Personally, that’s one of the things I like about Japan; that they are such strong traditionalists.
Luke Ward
God I wish there had been more sekino
Hunter Gomez
>mfw inner isshin
I beat inner father in one try, this is insane
Michael Sanchez
The game should've gotten dlc, its criminal that it didn't
Benjamin Sanders
>never got the obviously hinted at Tomoe DLC
>instead we get the obviously all-but-finished Tomoe bossfight stuck into Elden Ring
I hope the insane money ER has brought in for FROM means they'll do more interesting, smaller games. Maybe Sekiro 2: Ishiin's Coup is on the table. We can only hope.
Kayden Robinson
I can't recall a lot from my last run with him but the Umbrella Prosthetic saved my ass quite a bit. Everything else was just remembering the flow of Isshin's attacks.
John Jackson
His fight at Ashina castle is what gave me the most trouble on Charmless + Bell. There's just so little space. Father and Inner Father are easier IMO because more room and he also spams the attack you can mikiri counter at some point.
Bentley Lewis
It's clear several enemy attacks are built for sekiro-oriented combat, or at the very least are reminiscent of its design, like the revenants that is impossible to dodge-avoid unless you get the drop on them before they start their bullshit flurry of attacks which mirrors the giraffe centipedes.
Malenia's moveset is also similar to genichiro, especially when she does the triple slash followed by the last finishing slash.
God I wish I could play more sekiro.
Ethan Cruz
It's honestly ridiculous. All the other games except DeS got DLC, but Sekiro only got some outfits and gauntlet mode. An utter travesty.
Nathan Collins
I would let her step on my spear
Brandon Walker
It's so funny how everyone seems to have trouble with different bosses in Sekiro. Inner Isshin gave me no trouble at all, but SS Isshin had me stumped for days until I finally learned his fucking spear phase.
Christopher Rogers
>good guys
Isshin was a psychopath for the entirety of his life. He never cared about his family nor people only the next battle high.
Jason Anderson
>you now have to taste yourbown medicine for embracing change and the arms race that is war.
Samuel Adams
I don't understand. Elaborate.
Blake Gomez
>Came back to the game
>Runs considerably worse than Elden Ring despite its graphics looking awfully washed out, combat feels completely disjointed with parries coming up whenever you want them and jumps having I-Frames so there's no risk and your katana feels like a fucking wet noodle unless you posture break
Couldn't even make it past Ashina Outskirts. I'm really not seeing what the fuck people like so much about it after ER.
Justin Howard
>this is what ER does to the brain
Dominic Anderson
I thought it was pretty obvious his moveset is similar to yours, especially with him having a literal Mikiri Counter and the fact he trained you story-wise so obviously you're going to fight in similar fashion.
Isaiah Adams
>runs worse than elden ring
you had me for a second there
Juan Howard
Sekiro is quicker but it’s a different beast entirely.
Gabriel Fisher
Sekiro learned mikiri from the sculptor tho.
Chase White
That skill tree is completely nonsensical to the lore though, because it's mostly shit that Isshin wouldn't have known or been able to use
Anthony Phillips
pretty sure it never got that DLC because the working relationship between activision and FROM was so bad
Daniel Diaz
How so? Inner Isshin is just regular Sword Saint fight except he has that mortal blade spin in the first phase that he barely ever does besides as opening move and those AoE and projectile attacks in 2nd and 3rd phase that you can just avoid by sprinting.
Unironically if you beat SS you should be able to beat II no problem after few tries.
Matthew Carter
Sculptor used to be a member of the same ninja clan
Samuel Robinson
Remember how you are supposed to give Pellets to NPCs to cure Dragonrot?
Activision wanted you to spend money on this shit.
Hunter Gomez
Blackhat Badger.... had a hard life...
Kayden Williams
Proofs?
I fully believe it but I would actually like to see some confirmation on this.
Dylan Allen
Not true. He clearly loved fighting but if that was all he cared about he would have gone Shura. Since he didn't, we can assume he genuinely loved his people and country as well as the thrill of battle.
Gabriel Miller
>t. watched a youtube video
Justin Hill
Fucking Sekiro was as if made by a different team. It was so smooth and satisfying to play. My only gripe was that they should have gone full on with the combo switching.
Brandon Williams
Sekiro, so that you will know the mechanics and animations that Elden Ring got from Sekiro.
Samuel Walker
> the revenants
Those are literally reskinned centipede bosses from Sekiro.
Elijah Adams
Is it true that "Land of Reeds" translates to "ashina"?
Justin Sanders
Cope.
Inner Isshin is unironically the easiest Inner boss.
Logan Cruz
Ashi no ji/Ashi no Kuni
葦 means reed.
Luis Garcia
Sekiro is a psychopath who's constantly in danger of turning into a Hatred Demon, like the old Buddha craftsman.
Isshin was a conquerer but was fine with dying old, drunk and happy.