What killed the hype?

Shield being completely reworked for no reason when it was one of the best aspects of AACC.

So you're telling me that in the next 4-8 years, when the cast is restored, you'd actually play?
Not about any of the incredibly questionable gameplay mechanics?

It was a shitty game that bandwagoners jumped on because Guilty Gear decided to no longer pander to a dead market.

>improved sequels
more money to ruin the franchise you mean. Melty blood had a lot of good will and hype going into it but the gameplay especially with shield and ultra limited routes just suck ass. French Bread doubling down on their retarded balancing ideas despite everyone telling them it sucks means this shit will never improve.

Hype?
Never ever heard of this game.

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The first iteration of any FB game is never good.
I'll wait for at least one major update/revision before making a final judgment call but I do agree that I'm not liking where this first version is going either.
At least whiffing shields got nerfed now

no because they'd still have the nu designs and who know what they'd do with shield by then

Lack of eSports. You could argue discord centralization as well. There were issues at launch, but they've largely been addressed.

So you're saying that they just didn't shill hard enough?

>The designs never bothered me. Ciel flat out looks and sounds better and is topping Tsuki popularity polls at 2nd place when back then she was like the 2nd lowest main heroine.
>one of 5 routes
>now one of 2 and a bunch of people surely never played the original
>now more popular
How could this be? Was dying mash's hair and cutting her bangs the secret?

He wasn't in

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The money's not there, man. French Bread can't advertise like Capcom can. Word of mouth only does so much for niche games like Melty.

Giving her a proper route conclusion instead of having her share Shiki with Arc was one thing.
I think Hondo Kaede's voice work was another big part of it. It's downright cute as fuck.
Much better than butch ciel from the OG continuity
It's funny, I still haven't fought a Nanaya in AACC yet. I have fought a Tohno though

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We already know FB doesn't have money
But TM and Delight Works at that time should have had some cash on hand.
Delight Works isn't FGO's developers anymore though so I'm not entirely sure if they have the reins on MBTL.
And what the fuck was Ono doing with the lack of shilling too.

Loli Noelle should have been at release

The game actually came out and it sucked.
MBTL started off with good playercounts and then tanked. By comparison, KOFXV has not had functioning matchmaking for two entire months and is still retaining interest and a playerbase. Around this time everyone had already forgotten about TL.
There's just no excuse for it or beating around the bush, the game is bad.

It's just worse than MBAA. Worse mechanics. Worse animations. Bad nuTakeuchi artwork. Even the awesome OST of MBAA wasn't replicated. Sure, it's in HD I guess but who cares? I'd rather just play MBAA.

nigga this game was shilled hard by fgcucks and already mentioned above obama who is according to twitch leak third biggest fg eceleb was shilling it so fucking hard he actually went full meltdown mode and started attacking faggots like sajam for saying he doesnt like it lmao. it has 2x peak of new KoF man you wont tell me there are more melty players than kof players that series was memed about being played in toilets before. nu melty has been shilled properly thats a fact you wont tell me 14 peak just on steam came just outta cat meme on twitter or some shit like that and character trailers have 200-400k views too.

No neco arc

No Nero

new ciel is cute and hot, i love her.

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Just let it go already. It was bad game. Both casuals and high level players agree.

shit netcode, fk shield and to a lesser extend moon drive, dont support french bread for this.

I feel bad that I still haven't bought it because I was looking forward to it since the first reveal. The fact all the DLC characters have been free so far is cool to see so it's definitely the next fighter I'll play.

the gutted roster. Game would've sold 3x as much if they'd kept Len in.

I vaguely remember the DLC characters being free is a temporary thing so just grab them now before said arbitrary time limit passes.

The game wasnt supposed to be anything else than a niche fighting game, but since the retarded anime FGC is still buttblasted by how Guilty Gear was an actual success by catering to people that would actually buy and play the game instead of jerking off with the other 10 guys on discord, they decided to use Type Lumina to cope. Its a shame becauae I actually do like Type Lumina to some degree, flaws and all, instead I got an artificially hyped product out of spite instead of playing it with people who genuinely liked it.

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People just don't like the fighting game and I kinda agree with them. It's just kinda soulless and looks worse than Under Night.

It's Mash being a senpai instead of a kouhai and actively pursuing romance instead of your cockblock that made the difference in that spectrum.
Senpai tends to have more interesting dynamics than kouhai

>instead of playing it with people who genuinely liked it.
Clout-chasing twittertards really are the worst

>Much better than butch ciel from the OG continuity
If you listen to ciel's voice in CP and MB and call that butch then you might just be a retard.

There was no real hype. The game was being propped up by people who got mindbroken by Strive's success

>when it was revealed
the remake designs
>before it released
the shitty roster
>after it released
the shield and autocombo mechanics
>what further kills the hype the longer it's not in the game
Neco-Arc for the normalfags

I just straight up don't like it compared to the new one.
MBTL Ciel is what would motivate me to keep playing it over learning Ciel in AACC because I'd rather just have her look and sound better in MBTL instead.

Shielding is too strong/obnoxious to deal with
Autocombos are too obnoxious to deal with

It genuinely is one of these cases where the game is blatantly massively inferior to the previous entry. The bizarre thing is the autocombos and shielding actually made it harder to play while MBAA was actually a pretty easy/intuitive game.

It's one of the few cases where I think the drop in interest was deserved. They genuinely fucked up the gameplay. It's still playable but no one is going to play it over MBAA which has good online already.

KoFXV imo has similar but less severe issues where they added a bunch of stuff to make it 'easier' for beginners (0f throws, rolls being absurdly good again, traditional KoF pressure being weak again) but all this does is make playing the game well finnicky and awkward and require option selects and similar obtuse shit to just allow it to play like the older games did. The opposite of making it easier for beginners.

Gear players are notorious for being boomer retards who hate change. They rioted against BlazBlue and every single thing that series did for years. I don't like Strive at all either, but the Gear players rioting over that one as well was an inevitability.
Note how you see none of them playing KOF even though it's the exact game they want and it's been successful. Instead they're clinging to the next gimmicky anime game.

>where they added a bunch of stuff to make it 'easier' for beginners (0f throws, rolls being absurdly good again, traditional KoF pressure being weak again
nigga are you retarded
rolls have increased recovery, throws have been 0f in KOF for forever, and traditional KOF pressure is better than ever since you explode people off of one touch
you make your opponent respect your hop, go low, and get more reward than you ever have before

This game is so fucking obnoxious to play
>shield forcing an RPS like 14 times a round
>moon drive pausing the game, with both characters having access to it from round start
>moon skills becoming skip neutral tools in moon drive
>GIGANTIC CLASH FRAMES

>nigga this game was shilled hard by fgcucks
If you don't follow those people on Twitter, it's like they never existed. Type Lumina did sell a lot for the type of game it is, though. There's no denying that. I think the early netplay issues and the vocal outcry about shield and moon drive did drive away a lot of players, though. It's easier to drop the game than to actually figure out how it works. There's a lot of other options.

Seeing people playing the game and seeing the community active drives more people to want to play, and Melty doesn't have the numbers. It's pretty hard to compete with the likes of Strive and Jive.

The suckass shield, clash frames and autocombos is what ruined it. Fuck Kamone for doubling down on shield buffs too.

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>It's easier to drop the game than to actually figure out how it works.
Problem is that people figured out how it worked and it fucking sucks
You have to do like a billion OSes to try and deal with all the options people have on defense

It was impossible to escape TL shilling if you weren't under a rock. YouTubers were shilling the game, the aforementioned twitter celebs were shilling the game, Twitch was shilling the game with streamers having back and forth arguments over it, and if you ever criticized it before it released the Kamone defense force came out calling you a faggot. Heck, even I remember being very defensive of the game before it came out.
Then it did come out and within seconds we all realized it was one of the worst fighting games released this gen, down there with even Cross Tag.

Don't talk to me like you play KoF faggot. The fact you got the fucking throw part wrong exposes you so fucking hard.

No, no other KoF game has 0f throws. There is not a single other KoF game where you can't meaty someone at point blank range because throws beat meaties. Throws are 1f in KoF and lose to normals. Not in XV. This means if your character can't confirm outside of throw range your character sucks, unless they have an OS.

This has been the main complaint about the game since release. 0f throws add nothing to the game whatsoever except allowing scrubs to mash throw on wakeup and beat properly timed meaties. That works in *zero* other KoF games. It's a thing in Guilty Gear, however normals in guilty gear are much longer to compensate. Being unable to do a cl.C meaty because you will just get thrown is awful.

The other stuff is more opinion. Again, most KoFs you can punish a KoF roll on reaction. You can't in XIV or XV because they are so fast and go so far. It is why, again, all the good characters had CD options selects to cover wakeup rolls. Except they don't even work in XV because you get thrown due to the 0f throws, meaning to get even basic pressure you are guessing on a person's wakeup as to which dumb overtuned option they are going to do before you can make them fucking block for 2 seconds.

As for KoF pressure, it kind of still works but hops and reruns are weak (though stronger than XV) because things are generally much more negative in this game and normals also have higher hitboxes. Even a cr.a will beat a hop usually. Most characters just poke from neutral and characters like Iori and Kyo who rely on that old school pressure either suck (Iori) or don't play that way in this game and just poke instead (Kyo).

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I'm pretty much under a rock. I only use YT from the ones you've mentioned.
Glad I didn't have to deal with any of that autism

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Chiyome sex

It's just in a really weird place
>casuals know Melty as the meme bathroom game, and don't wanna spend $50 on an anime fighter
>midwits that think they're good at fightan get exposed by the autocombo system as retarded mashers
>good niggas dislike shields being a more obnoxious form of reversal edge from SC6 ruining the momentum

This all in addition to be a tie in fighting game for an untranslated VN remake. Gonna be interesting to see if Mahoyo releasing with eng subs this winter leads to TsukiRE:Red Garden coming out with eng subs as well.

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>Gear players
You mean XRD faggots?
>seething and shitposting about strive to this day
>were shitting on blazblue all day after signs release thats why BB fags hate xturders
>were seething at XX boomers and even shitting on +R because they it was getting rollback
Boomers I know that played Reload with me years ago either dont care about Strive/other games or actually like and play strive and other games one of them is hardcore KoF fag now. It always were XRD secondaries acting like obsessed niggers not even actual GG boomers. Ask any BB fag that was here during revelators release what he thinks about xrd players.

you bitch at me for "not playing KOF" yet you can't even get the issues with XV right
throws are not an issue for virtually anyone since it's so easy to get safejumps. the reliance on safejumps shouldn't surprise you given oda also made SFIV and that game was safejump city too. the main thing this fucks up is classic KOF roll crossup mix, which is absolutely a major oversight but other aspects of KOFXV are so powerful it's hardly missable. even rolling to beat safejumps is not reliable. watch people play this game at high level and note how people are getting fucked up hardcore when made to block, it's not nearly as big of an issue as you're making it out to be.
>You can't in XIV or XV because they are so fast and go so far
this is a double edged sword since rolls in KOFXV also have higher recovery than they did before. this is why you see zoners like joe raping the game because he's so difficult to get past and then he hits you once into a death combo. ralf can't be easily stopped from throwing out big normals either since rolls are so slow to recover.

Every single new mechanic was bad.

Shield was bad. I am all for strong defensive options but don't turn it into RPS. At least Soul Calibur's equivalent had character specific outcomes so it wasn't real RPS once you knew the options and risk/reward.
The autocombos were bad. They are manageable but irritating and after you have played the game for more than 20 minutes just get in the way.
Moon skills are bad and make the game into 'lmao just do your random plus on block move in neutral' half the time.

Every single new thing sucks. It's a shame, because absolutely everything about the game except the gameplay is excellent. Amazing graphics, music, stages. But the most important thing, the gameplay, sucks.

Maybe they'll do a new 'edition' or something and fix it eventually but I suspect they will be too prideful and instead try to 'fix' these mechanics instead of just removing them and letting it just be a melty blood game.

>INOBOYZ
Fat nigger

>Maybe they'll do a new 'edition' or something
You're talking about a company that has updated the originaly MB for like 8 years and UNI for 9, there's definitely going to be a big update down the line. Although the prevalence of shield is really up in the air.
Give it like 4 years when Nasu finishes Red Garden though

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Iori got gutted in KOFXV. He's bad for more than just the game not favoring his old playstyle any more. He can hardly even hit most characters with taco any more.

>throws are not an issue for virtually anyone since it's so easy to get safejumps.
I agree safejumps are massively more important now due to throws. I disagree that it is acceptable that safejumps are the only reliable means of getting meaties. Many characters don't have reliable safejumps off of everything, definitely not 5f/4f ones. Guess you're just shit out of luck if you're them? What is leona supposed to do? Her main confirm route (cr.b st.a link cr.c) doesn't work from a jumpin and requires close range. Guess she just doesn't get to confirm outside of cl.d?

I agree with a lot of your post but the 0f throw shit is genuinely terrible and adds nothing to the game. Many major players have been complaining about it and how massively it limits your offense and makes some characters without much setplay awful who would otherwise be fine.