2016 >The perfect tone a lot of restraint is shown which is a great benefit to the game >Underwhelming combat encounters for a majority of the game and gore nests are bad >Story is told through level progression and is minimal but very effective >Enemy design, weapon design and setting design leaves a lot to be desired >Bad bosses >2 nonlinear levels
Eternal >Cringe tone, no restraint whatsoever >Great combat encounters and fighting arenas throughout the entire game >Story can be totally ignored because cutscenes are skippable but there's also very little environmental storytelling, most is done through exposition >Enemy design, weapon design and setting design is a huge step up >Decent bosses >0 nonlinear levels
2016 made it a bigger deal. It shoves the story down your throat because it has unskippable cutscenes. In eternal you literally don't have to care. It's only a bigger deal to you if you care about the story, for everybody else it's a massive step up from the previous
Andrew Moore
story isn't very important and it certainly wasn't anything I expected to care about, but I was so pleasantly surprised by 2016s story that I did in fact end up enjoying it. I can actually say that the environmental storytelling in 2016 is something that makes that game more enjoyable for me, it makes the levels and progress you make feel more meaningful.
dishonest af. the "cutscenes" in 2016 are like an 8 second elevator ride. the cutscenes in eternal are full fledged cutscenes.
Jayden Russell
How is it dishonest when it's literally true. When you're introduced to the suit powerups the cutscene lasts for several minutes and you can't skip it. In Eternal you can skip everything, and I mean everything. You are a fucking retard user
David Barnes
>When you're introduced to the suit powerups the cutscene lasts for several minutes and you can't skip it i have no memory of this or any cutscene in doom 2016. so you're most likely exaggerating.
Joshua Sullivan
Yes, there is some kind of story that shouldn't have made it but the current one isn't one of such.
i actually looked up a video fo all the cutscenes to try and find what you were talking about. couldn't find it. i did play doom 2016 twice on nightmare because the game was kino. didn't even beat eternal. too gay for me.
Landon Reed
Eternal's combat is way more fun but its "le retro xD" atmosphere makes me want to uninstall the game I'll say Eternal still wins but it's shocking how it's even a point of comparison when the gameplay is so much better than 2016. The story and atmosphere really just suck that hard
Carter Bailey
There is a literal timestamp in the link. Why am I not surprised this is the average IQ of a doom 2016 defender? Fucking lmao
>Level design in 2016 is better >but the combat encounters and gore nests suck Such a shame that Eternal couldn't have had better level design, it's way too linear, there's not a single opportunity to get lost in the game and there's literally 1 level with key cards and that level is still linear and there's no way to get them out of order or to get lost
Hunter Perry
oh ok so this "cutscene" lasts for a grand total of 2 minutes. ok
Zachary Ortiz
I accept your concession, retard
Caleb Phillips
If you disagree then whatever, the point is that it's an objective fact that the atmosphere sucks ass in comparison to what 2016 achieved
ok and how does worse atmosphere equal to "le retro"?
Jayden Parker
I actually had fun with Eternal. I never understood the praise 2016 got, it was boring, every level looked the same and the guns didn't have any punch. Doom 2016 just suffers from being what it is: a retooled version of the Call of Doom that Doom 4 originally was. youtube.com/watch?v=kFWRkj0UQKM
Sebastian Gonzalez
there's nothing wrong with the atmosphere of Eternal, it's great, so are the level themes and how they look. It's the tone that is complete cringe
Jaxon Hall
Doesn't matter as long as you agree with the fact that it has much worse atmosphere than 2016
Brody Johnson
I deny it, retard. Doom Flopternal killed the franchise with its shit multiplayer gimmick mode. Real fans want deathmatch not 2v1 PvPvE garbage
Daniel Lopez
>schizoids are defending 2016 multiplayer of all things now sounds like somebody is off their meds again
Jaxson Walker
Nigger who gives one fuck about the multiplayer?
Bentley Garcia
what makes this objective fact
Alexander Campbell
i honestly dont know or care because the only thing i took interest in was the gameplay, i just wanted to know how the fuck does eternal have "le retro" atmosphere
Ethan Roberts
>t. I get shit on in PvP (actual games) Why are you so scared of playing against actual people? Is it because you suck and can only hope to beat an AI? Lmao this is why Doom’s multiplayer is dead, they wanted a gay hero shooter mashup instead of normal multiplayer that has been in every other shooter in the series
Camden Watson
>atmosphere >plot I had fun with the nuDoom games, but if there's something I hate is that they attracted all these retards that unironically start talking about the "atmosphere" of a fucking Doom game, when Doom has lived this long because of mods and custom WADS, which give zero fucks about atmosphere.
> this is why Doom’s multiplayer is dead Because no one cares about multiplayer in Doom and it's obvious it's tacked on because of investor demand?
Ayden Miller
>In Eternal you can skip everything, and I mean everything. This, played for 20 seconds, saw the weapon pickups and uninstalled. Skipped the whole game.
Aiden Parker
i disagree that you cant talk about the story or the atmosphere of these games just because its doom, hell look at doom 3 thats literally all about atmosphere, but it should be made clear that neither the story nor the atmosphere take away from the gameplay itself
Cameron Ramirez
lmao, is this guy here? The schizo who spent an entire month seething about Eternal because it had weapon pickup icons instead of "THOSE EPIC AS FUCK ANIMATIONS FROM 2016 DUDE".
Hudson Flores
I had schizo revisionists trying to tell me when Eternal came out that the original Doom was some kind of grounded horror game LMAO
Jackson Hall
They're gonna say something about the loadouts that it's like CoD or some laughable shit Or that it's like Halo even though it's like 3 times faster paced and more energetic than that embarrassing slow shit People should face facts, D2016 MP and Quake Champions are the closest we have to proper Quake gameplay and just because it isn't 100% perfect doesn't mean it deserves this inadequate screeching rage that comes up whenever it's mentioned
Austin Martin
the investors would be pissed that they wasted a ton of money and dev time on creating a whole new multiplayer mode instead of copy and pasting deathmatch in. No, the gay devs ACTUALLY thought that people would like it when they were making it, lmao!
Juan Mitchell
the atmosphere of Eternal is better than 2016, the atmosphere of 2016 is just spooky sci-fi facility across the entire game. You're mistaking atmosphere for tone. A level like Super Gore Nest or Nekravol has a 100 times better atmosphere than any level from 2016.
Easton Bailey
>actually enjoying NU-Doom Depraved and Deranged. Everything after Doom 64 is a sin and a stain on humanity.
Christopher Hughes
I don't even understand what he's talking about, care to elaborate?
Brandon Johnson
I think both games actually have pretty decent bosses.
Levi Turner
> hell look at doom 3 thats literally all about atmosphere, Yes, and Doom 3 almost killed the franchise.
Doom 64, you mean when Doom started morphing into the clusterfuck Doom 3 ended up as?
Robert Diaz
>sunder Too bad all that amazing map design was wasted on slaughter wad
Joshua Collins
>when Doom has lived this long because of mods and custom WADS, which give zero fucks about atmosphere. >mods and custom WADS give zero fucks about atmosphere how absolutely fucking retarded can you get
Doom 64 was the transition period but not a complete fucking mess like doom 3. Its still a pretty decent game.
William Diaz
>Yes, and Doom 3 almost killed the franchise. what? no it didnt lol, what kind of bizarre headcanon is this? the call of duty doom wasnt even the only cancelled doom project before 2016
Alexander Walker
A month before Eternal launched a lot of schizos decided they would hate it, and there was this particular autist who got obsessed with the fact that in Eternal you have these big weapon icons to pick new guns up, and saying how Doom 2016 was so much better because it had animations when you found a new gun.
aren't these big fat floating weapons a part of quake/dooms style though or am i making up memories?
Ryder Harris
What fucking atmosphere is there in a wide, empty map that just keeps spawning hundreds of cyberdemons and revenants? There's none, you just run and gun. Nobody gives a fuck about the atmosphere, Doom has always been about the gameplay.
Kevin Hughes
>yeah man I’m a boxer >w-what? How many fights have I won? No, I don’t actually fight other boxers >what do you mean I’m not a boxer? I fight the punching bag a bunch! I even beat it up on ultra-nightmare mode!!!!!! >what do you mean that fighting an actual person is harder than a punching bag? I’m a real boxer I swear!!! Just sad…
>doom 3 comes out >hated by OG doom fans >ignored by horror game fans >no Doom games for more than 10 years afterwards
Brody Hill
I mean, I get it, and can definitely see why some schizo contrarian dedicated to hating the next popular thing would latch onto something like this. I probably agree that obtaining new weapons in 2016 felt more satisfying however Eternal deliberately went as old school as is humanly possible for a current year triple-A game, and this was naturally the result It is in quake, doom wasn't 3D
Caleb Murphy
you are making up memories when it comes to doom
Thomas Cooper
The fun ones are. There's a reason people all talk about slaughter wads like Sunder or Quantum Strike, and not some faggy "muh atmosphere" shit with 5 demons.
Bentley Richardson
thanks, i didn't think i saw floating guns in the older doom games but i couldn't be sure
Goddamn, I know that they weren't taking themselves serious, but that was fucking shit and awful.
Jaxon Nguyen
Doom had pick up icons, but not floating ones. Not that it matters because i've seen people seethe about Eternal for the regular pick up objects too because "it's too gamey", to the point where i've seen some autists say they'd prefer if Doom 4 was that fucking COD-wannabe it was going to be.
Single player shooter “fans” are the reason franchises like Doom have been dragged through the dirt. NuDoom retards like you are why we haven’t gotten a good arena shooter in forever.
Lucas White
maybe you should stick to food analogies huh? that was pretty damn bad
Zachary Cruz
We've gotten a fuck ton of arena shooters over the years, and every single one died because you just don't play them. If you fags actually wanted arena multiplayer shooters to come back you wouldn't have let Quake Live be forgotten.
dude how fucking young are you to hold this opinion? Back in 2008 it was literally UNFEASIBLE to imagine a game like Doom 2016, much less a game like Doom Eternal to ever exist again. The absolute fucking state of shooters back then was utterly fucked. The fact that Eternal exists is a marvel to anybody older than fucking 20 because they actually remember how fucking bad FPS games got around 2006. It never seemed like we'd ever go back to anything even resembling Quake or Doom ever again.
Justin Sanders
>He's moving the goalposts now Way to lose a fight on the Internet, retard.
Jeremiah Sanchez
okay made me laugh
Ian Hughes
It was 100% accurate, you can’t refute it you limp wrist faggot. “Fighting” marauders and cacodemons is nothing compared to real multiplayer, not that you would know anything about that ofc since you have no friends to play with lmaooo. nuDoom is entirely focused on making friendless losers like (You) feel powerful by beating up retarded AI
Josiah Cox
On nothing, Doom 3 was just chasing trends of the time. And even then, FEAR does everything Doom 3 tries but way better.
Hunter Brooks
unlike you i have more going for me in life than being good at shooters
Charles Campbell
>he's now going on this tangent You don't even actually care.
Luke Jenkins
>Single player shooter “fans” are the reason franchises like Doom have been dragged through the dirt. You hear some schizo shit in these nudoom threads but this one takes the cake Hey retard, did you know that doom is the most modded singleplayer game in existence?
>the reason there's no Arena shooters is because of Doom, and not that every time an arena shooter has come out it's flopped hard
Justin Thomas
god, all the aim down sights shooters are blending into my head right now
the only one that sticks out is singularity and it is also pretty awful >give players powers >never let them use them against people without wasting all your power against 1 person just to kill him when you could already do that with your gun 100% faster with no cost what the fuck were they thinking
I think Doom 3 has better level design But that's not saying much because it's not hard to top FEAR's boxy rooms and hallways
William Morales
eternal is better in every way that i give a fuck about
Kevin Ramirez
Cope. Also you admitted you don’t have friends by not addressing it lol I totally care dude can’t you tell? Friendless losers modding the single player (training mode btw) means nothing when the heart of shooters is the multiplayer.
