You know what? They were right

>heh I the ruler Ghe- I mean we Team Plasma will take over the wo- I mean we will separate Pokemon from humans!!
Bravo

I wish I a Team Plasma outfit...its so cool...

They literally weren't. How the fuck do people misinterpret a POKEMON game?
N himself could be considered right though.

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>N planned to send them off to their own universe separated from humans by the end of it, he and his team did nothing wrong.
Who agreed to that shit? Forcing your will on someone like that sounds pretty wrong to me bruh

Theu were painted as extremist hypocritical loons from the start, Pokemon and humans coexist peacefully in a virtually utopic fashion. N was isolated from civilization by Ghetsis and was only shown abused Pokemon which gave him a warped worldview.

>Pokemon and humans coexist peacefully in a virtually utopic fashion
not really

I agree, that's why you shouldn't be allowed to beat up animals and put them in little brainwashing capsules to fight and die at your convenience.

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It's a cool idea, but anyone withe enough intelligence to insert a cartridge the right way could have told you from the start that they weren't actually going to follow through with the moral ambiguity of Pokemon battling. The series makes a shitzillion dollars year after year, of course they wouldn't release a story that undermines the whole premise of the series.

Go to bed N, you saw pokemon and humans having their bromance once you actually went outside

>implying that pokemon aren't battle junkies
Read the manga

Only because pokeballs literally brainwash them. The ending of BW2 confirms this.

Almost nothing is harming the pokemon outside the odd team of villains that pops up. Battles are fine because Pokemon seem to enjoy fighting, or at the very least tolerate it, and Pokemon centers are quite literally everywhere so it really doesn't matter if one gets beat up, plus they don't die they just go unconscious.

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>Only because pokeballs literally brainwash them

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quote me if you want to talk shit coward

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Sorry but I don't give (you)'s to shit bait

>plus they don't die they just go unconscious.
We see multiple Pokemon cemeteries throughout the series.

They die of old age or disease but never as a direct consequence of battling...

The gore only happens in the manga

Play the game faggot. They literally spell out for you that the liepard only became loyal to the shadow triad because it was in a pokeball.

Yes, but most of the time they're stated to die of old age or some other natural causes, I can't recall any time that a Pokemon canonically died at the hands of a human in the games.

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[citation] needed

Play the game.

That's according to the ninja guy, and no other character in any game even suggests such. Not even the well learned or researchers. This lends to the idea that the villain was doing you the mickey, that he was being misleading if not outright lying.

>no other character in any game even suggests such
That's because the devs are pussies and won't stick to their guns when it ruins the fwenshit morals. The fact of the matter is that the liepard became loyal to the people that kidnapped it, it being in a pokeball is a perfectly valid explanation for that and the game feeds you no alternatives to it.

>Trusting the villains

Ns followers aren't known for lying, if anything they're called villains because they refuse to lie even when what they see as the truth is unpopular. Ghetsis is the one who was lying to everyone.

Wrong. When you're in the castle some of the grunts talk about the true plan

Do they? I know there's at least some of team plasma that stays loyal to N, and the triad seems to regard him more highly that Ghetsis. Either way what reason would the triad, having already been soundly defeated and both of their leaders removed, have to lie?

>it being in a pokeball is a perfectly valid explanation for that
Only if you take the villain at their word, when it's not corroborated anywhere else.
>and the game feeds you no alternatives to it
Except the Pokemon spent most of its life with its new trainer, which is an easy alignment-shifter with anything, and it very easily could've been mundanely brainwashed or even simply abused and kept in line via Pokeball tech.
It's cool that you like the brainwashing Pokeball concept, but one guy in one game making one unsubstantiated claim goes not a fact make.

>villain team attire resembles that of europeans

Racism?

It's a weird position especially if we take the cannalve library at it's word and can assume literally any Pokemon we encounter literally want to be captured otherwise we just wouldn't meet them.
A Cubone's mom /Marowhack ghost was killed by team rocket trying to save her baby and escape. I'm not sure if the retconned that in Let's Go.But even then that's a literal criminal group

Even the games imply Pokemon(at least the ones you meet in the tall grass) like to fight. If they didn't want to mess with humans. They'd avoid you(this also explains why poaching can still be a thing)
Pokemon can literally leave their pokeballs if incensed/motivated enough.

Ah, true, but that just goes even further to prove that evil teams are the only ones who fuck with Pokemon, otherwise the Pokemon world is extremely good for both humans and Pokemon.

some of them were assholes but most were pretty okay

there's still wars and shit

Plasma's point was never meant to be valid, the franchise has made it clear from the beginning that Pokemon were sapient to a degree and loved battling. The whole "liberation" shit was deliberately manufactured by Ghetsis to manipulate N into conquering Unova for him.

Nothing has ever implied that Poke Balls brainwash Pokemon. Pokemon never undergo any sort of personality change after being caught; they're exactly the same, the only difference is that you've earned their respect and loyalty.

Plus there are Pokemon who are still disobedient after being caught. Captured or not, they have free will.

Yes, and how Poke Balls is literally explained in Gen 4 by one of the Elite Four members

>"I was just reading a collection of observations on Pokémon in the wild. One article addresses the question why Pokémon would go into a Poké Ball. According to this article, this behavior is based on instinct. A weakened Pokémon will curl up tight in an effort to heal itself. The Poké Ball was invented to take advantage of that protective instinct. I imagine we'll see each other again at the Pokémon League. Take care."

Poke Balls give them a place to rest and heal themselves, just like they do in the wild.

As far as know, there haven't been any since the one Lt. Surge mentioned in Gen 1. The Pokemon world is a utopia where the problems we have in our world either don't exist, or are quickly eliminated because the people in this world would rather work together than fight.

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No, they weren't.
Ghetsis indoctrinated N and taught him to believe that humans and Pokemon couldn't coexist.
Ghetsis did this because it was a fucking lie, he knows humans bring out the full potential of Pokemon, he specifically built his team to counter N's just in case he learnt the truth.
Ghetsis realized this and formed a plan to make people willingly release their Pokemon while consolidating all the power for himself, who the fuck can stop someone who has a Pokemon with no Pokemon of their own?
Half of Team Plasma left with N when they learnt this, the half of Team Plasma stayed with Ghetsis.

If N "won" Team Plasma would most definitely make Unova a closed country with no way in or out in an effort to prevent other regions or the International Police from getting involved, they would hack the Pokemon Storage System of Unova to release all the Pokemon stored in it, they would hunt down those who weren't a part of Team Plasma but would still refuse to give up their Pokemon, the people who wouldn't come quietly would most likely be imprisoned and Ghetsis would kill N to take his dragon as well as his place when N would inevitably learn the truth.

There is no world where Team Plasma winning is a good thing except for our own because Ghetsis was great in USUM and a Unova ruled by Team Plasma sounds like a fantastic premise for a fangame/romhack.

Lysandre talks about how there are still wars going on during the events of XY and AZ only makes the Ultimate Weapon because his Floette died fighting in a war.

Their argument falls apart because the entire world revolves around Pokemon.

>Pokemon created the world
>Pokemon battling is the most popular and commercialized sport in the world
>Pokemon are the main beneficiaries of human-Pokemon partnerships; Pokemon get free food and a place to live, and if their owner is a trainer, lots of strong opponents, allowing them to learn new techniques and achieve power levels they never would have achieved alone

Humans abusing Pokemon is rare; the majority of the population practically worship them.

Based

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The Pokemon Center cannot heal injuries (actual medical treatment or surgery is required for that), it can only restore their physical stamina. They're not unconscious after fainting (or at least not for long), they're just too exhausted to battle.

How do you mean? Half of them are dumbass PETA wannabes, and the other half are just hiding behind the ideology so they can disarm the nation and conquer it.

Their point would be valid if they went after poachers, not trainers.

So if N succeeds he creates the Mystery Dungeon world?

The Pokemon in the Mystery Dungeon world know what humans are, they're just so rare that most Pokemon don't think they're real.

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What I like about Team Plasma is that some of the members, including the Sage, stayed by N's side after disbandment and became caretakers for lost and abused pokemon, and they even stood against Neo-Team Plasma in the sequel. Goes to show that even though it was a devious scheme from the start, there were members aside from N who were genuine about helping pokemon.

Cutest female grunt.

Yes.

And most stacked.

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