>American game development sucks because for a long time it was a top down process driven by executives who didn’t play games. In England they had the ZX Spectrum and this is where a lot of 15, 16, 17 year old kids honed their skills in the 80s. Then you get guys—real genius coders—like Matthew Smith, the Stamper brothers and the guys at Rockstar coming through and completely changing the landscape. All of these guys cut their teeth on the Spectrum and the British micro-computer scene. We never really had that back home.
—John Romero, creator of Doom, speaking at the 2012 GDC Europe
Is he right, Yea Forums?
American game development sucks because for a long time it was a top down process driven by executives who didn’t...
Christopher Scott
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Luke Perez
He might have have been
Emphasise on "might"
It's been 10 years, thing aren't the same.
Bentley Johnson
Besides for rare and lionhead studios, what game studios do the Brits have?
Andrew Bell
No Man Sky
Kayden Sanchez
Except he also described how the American development system started, with a bunch of nerdy kids in highschool and college who created games. The publishers, executives, and government looking for another industry to regulate and tax always come after the innovation of the "dirty proletariat".
Aaron Phillips
That's a shit take though because English games are if anything worse than American games. He should talk about Japan, I'm sure they have a democratic communal epic freelance top down system where the little guy has a voice right? Oh wait, they dont, they just bow to executives but it works because those executives as well as the people below them actually have a coherent vision. Good games get made when people aren't faggots, that's the only relaible criterion
Justin Phillips
Rockstar.
Jacob Campbell
OI
Hudson Nguyen
Their in New york
Jacob Phillips
damn Korn main singer Jonathan Davis is really old. also videogames?
Juan Lee
youtube.com
The company was founded as DMA Design in Dundee in 1987 by David Jones, soon hiring former classmates Mike Dailly, Russell Kay, and Steve Hammond.
Luis Lewis
>That's a shit take though because English games are if anything worse than American games
That's bullshit because the best British games are better than the best American games.
Oliver Hall
Yes but their in NY. So it's safe to assume most of their employees are Americans not Brits
Leo Robinson
Ayden Howard
Grand Theft Auto was born in britain
If you're a pleb who started with 3 you don't understand that
Jayden Wilson
Did Romero just, like, forget how he got into the industry?
Carter Lopez
no they aren't there are like 5 of them nigel
Brayden Clark
I miss Japan
Levi Watson
Yeah it's a really weird take considering he himself is from that era of college dropouts starting gamedev companies that would go on to define the face of the gaming landscape like ID, 3D Realms, Bethesda, ION Studios, Valve, Epic, and the like.
Elijah Baker
I guess he's referring explicitly to the thing where kids would sell floppies of their games to local shops, but it's not like the American industry wasn't full of indie devs doing the same thing by catalog
Adrian Fisher
We had a whole lot before EA ate them up.
Henry Murphy
Okay so 3 studios with one of them not having an office in Britain since the late 90s. So who else? Cause America has a shitton of studios that are giant.
Tyler Gutierrez
DMA was Rockstar North iirc
Ian Johnson
Playground Games
Julian Young
>asshole who made proto-Call of Duty jerks off Europeans
wgaf
Jaxson Murphy
I still can't believe EA killed Origin software, killed Wing Commander and Ultima, and then drag out the corpse to name their digital distribution platform
those bastards
Brayden Morgan
Early FPS games were nothing like Call of Duty, the closest progenitor to that style of game wasn't until Medal of Honor in 1999.
Jonathan Phillips
>In March 2010, John Romero collaborated with the gaming magazine Retro Gamer, taking on the role of a guest editor, taking charge of the magazine's editorial and contributing to a number of articles on different subjects throughout the magazine.
Brits having had their own bedroom coder scene is probably his entire knowledge of europes game dev history, thanks exclusively to working on a UK mag for a while.
Lucas Gonzalez
So basically the Forza dev. While America has riot, valve, Bethesda, I'd, Activision blizzard etc etc. It seems that maybe if British devs had managers and bosses their games would have been better.
Landon Perez
Damn she's so hot.
Carson Harris
The games as service model is the overarching problem. Micros and trannies wouldn't be half as a pain if they didn't get to yank the game away at any time.
Ian Fisher
Romero works at a gas station now
Xavier Powell
Core Design was a big one back in the day.
Noah Sullivan
PUBLISHERS are the cancer, the government only really slaps a rating on your game and executive control is not a good or bad thing, old Valve is the high point of execs doing good and modern Blizzard is the lowest of the low. Hiring, productivity, creativity, profitability and intellectual properties are all handled by publishers and rips apart the dreams of anyone who works in the industry.
Isaiah Hughes
As a White man, which game company is worth developing for?
Zachary Perez
Nintendo
Ryder Baker
>3D Realms
Pretty sure photo related was taken in 2008 or 2009, because the Duke Nukem floor was something that they installed in 2008 or so. One thing I will say about George Broussard is that he was actually too nice of a boss. His motto was "take your time, don't worry about crunch time. Let's go down to the strip club across the street and watch some tiddys."
Caleb Roberts
OH NO NO NO ROMEROBROS, CARMACKCHADS ARE LAUGHING AT US AGAIN!!!!
Levi Phillips
These days the Brits absolutely suck at making games
Justin Flores
make your own at this point
Benjamin Diaz
Yes but also they were all irrelevant compared to Japanese programmers who were making the games people actually played.
Josiah Phillips
None, you'll end up owning nothing and being told to be happy about it. If you cant find devs to partner up with or do it yourself you'll just be another code monkey in the cagey wagey. Worst of all you'll be the fall guy when Weinstein and friends molest the women in the company.
Caleb Smith
weeb cocksucking faggot.
William Lopez
This predates Nintendo m8, the japs were still trying to figure out how to deal with putting their language in a computer. They wouldn't even make an RPG until Henk Rogers popped over and did it for them
Jason Green
I'm just imagining a british duke nukem
>bloody hell, them cunts mashed up my mini cooper
>mi m8s say ive got iron bollocks
Brayden Stewart
I'm not listening to the words of a retarded that encourages mental illness and self-mutilation.
Jaxson Richardson
The 70s?
Thomas Thomas
Psygno-
shit...
Jason Watson
The Japanese game industry was big and influential way before Nintendo became a main player. Taito, Namco, and Konami are the OG Japanese game devs.
Dylan James
They managed to get kanji and hiragana into financial software in the late seventies, prior to that it was basically all half width katakana.
They weren't getting played outside of Japan
Asher Cox
You're a dumb cunt.
Caleb Cox
>They weren't getting played outside of Japan
Incorrect.
Christopher Davis
Go outside you mentally ill loser.
Jack Perez
>In the 1970s, video games hit the scene in a big way
>Being suitable for all ages, all genders, everyone got into them
>By the end of the 1970s, there was a glut of consoles, ranging from the Atari 2600, colecovision, Intellivision, and of course the advent of Home PCs like the Amiga, Commodore, and Apple 2.
>With so many games, game consoles, and developers, and no way of judging quality, it was only a matter of time until the market would crash in the early 1980s, crippling the games industry in the west
>Over in Japan, however, this problem wasn't existing
>Instead, in the early 1980s, Nintendo, a playing card company who was trying to branch out into other entertainment, tried their hand at arcade games
>They had a home clay shooting game, and some small titles, none of which succeeded
>Until Donkey Kong
>Jumpman was tasked with going after his escaped, abused pet gorilla, who had kidnapped his girlfriend Pauline
>The game was huge, and its success was worldwide
>Seeing this success, Nintendo President Hiroshi Yamauchi tasked small-time programmer Shigeru Miyamoto, who had created Donkey Kong, with making a launch title for their home console, the Famicom
>Thus, in 1983, the Famicom was released in Japan, doing well enough that Nintendo tried to attack the home console market in the west, dead after rushed garbage like E.T.
>In February 1986, the Nintendo Entertainment System was released, and while it was a huge risk, Nintendo's console was such a huge success that it revolutionized the video game industry and, to this day, Super Mario is more recognizable of a brand than even titanic brands like Mcdonalds.
The console video game would have been dead if Japan didn't revive it. There's a reason no American consoles took off between the Atari 2600 in 1977, and the Xbox in 2001.
Grayson Thomas
He's not wrong, not understanding the psychopathy behind the Transsexual movement is a huge red flag regarding someone's ability to think critically.
Lincoln Cook
Embracer pretty much owns them all.
Isaiah Brooks
Yeah the early 90's and before it were complete creative control because people still looked at video games as a nerdy virgin hobby. It was still very much a new concept even with the rise of console gaming with Nintendo. It took maybe around the mid-2000's like EA to really capitalize on vidya development and executive assholes calling the shots on what's allowed to be made.
Honestly, if you don't want to deal with shitty Battle Royale shooters nowadays Indie games is the only place to be. Costs a fraction compared to a 60+ dollar game plus 20+ for battle passes. Seriously, an Indie game costs like 10 to 20 dollars nowadays and they completely create their own shit..
Connor Brown
What the fuck is this image?
>company has lots of offices in various countries, that means they're a massive industry hegemon
>microsoft is tiny and irrelevant because they own only the few largest gaming developers in the entire industry
Is this a fucking joke?
Cameron Richardson
A lot of those international studios used to be independent studios that were bought out and then rebranded under e.g. the Ubisoft banner.
Caleb Brooks
The British industry was comprised of scummy publishers paying pennies to kids so they could port shit to inadequate systems without even lending them professional equipment or the fucking source material, on an unrealistic timeframe. They relied on brand recognition and marketing alone and profited off barely playable garbage while the young adult on the speccy his mum bought him got a token cheque for his efforts.
No shit FACKIN ENGERLAND had a lot of independent geniuses bypassing the scummy industry, that was the same everywhere else.
Ayden Gonzalez
Just a cuck standing in front of a bunch of euros telling them what they want to hear.
Sebastian Cox
best fps game is zombie panic source, co-op horror, free on steam
Liam Stewart
Almost every great PC game is American especially when you go back to Romero's time.