Bottle caps replaced money because... WELL THEY JUST DID ALRIGHT

The whole point of money is that it's a worthless object we can all pretend acts as an ultimate measure of the worth of all other products and services.

not interested in discussing how realistic things are in an alternate universe post-apoc game w/ talking mutants and ghouls

That your brain conditioned by fiat money.
Gold was in place for millennia before fiat paper and now digital has taken over.
but carrying gold around is not as easy as it seems, due to banditry and weight. So bank notes that pay out gold to the deliverer of the note to a bank were invented.
Carrying a wad of paper is less risky.

These days I cannot just ship some Chinese man 30 grams of gold to pay him so he can ship me back a gpu. I mean I can but the digital transfer is more convenient.

Problem with fiat is when the printer goes brr to hard and you get jewed from your money by inflation.

You know gold is only valuable because we give it value? Skaven value warpstone shards and use it as currency. I don't want to touch that shit.

next there will be a game where people trade using worthless paper, imagine

How the fuck is gold useful to anyone outside of its monetary value?

based

Thats the neat thing, before electronics existed, aka when we actually cared about gold and backed currency with it

It wasn't

>jew upset they aren't using fiat
lmao?

it was valuable because it was pretty, it was used for jewellery and decoration for thousands of years, craft had value

user, gold used to be pretty useless as well. It looks pretty, it's rare and yet its softness makes it worse for most applications than other readily available metals, so its primary use was vanity items like jewelry and decoration.
Of course it's very useful nowadays in electronics, but that's after fiat money became the main measurement of wealth.

water is heavy and can spoil, and youd have to figure out if its good water before accepting a trade. Caps meanwhile are easier to manage and you can still trade them in for good water at the hub

Gold is the metal that has several properties that granted it its value.
1. its scarce and cannot be artificially manufactured (mining it is hard and requires effort so that effort is built into its price)
2. its antibacterial and doesn't leave traces like copper and doesn't corrode like iron so it can be used for jewelry
More modern
3. its the second best conductor of electricity after silver

>3. its the second best conductor of electricity after silver
thats copper. but gold doesnt tarnish.

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Caps resemble coin but arent as similar as you would think and arent as easy to use as you imagine.
Even things like nuts and bolts and stuff that cannot be manufactured anymore but is needed for machinery or equipment would be better.
Richfags would want to avoid irradiated water at all costs.
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>because it was pretty
Again because we gave it value

For contact purposes of course.
Copper oxidizes and the layer of oxidized copper become way less conductive.

the problem is that nuts and bolts are everywhere, in various qualities and dimensions.
The caps used in FO1 were from a single factory which was in control of the hub. Which meant they controlled the supply of money and they backed it with fresh water. With nuts and bolts they could suddenly have a monetary crisis if someone walked in with a bunch of shit he found somewhere else. While the caps were a lot easier to control. And again its early money that by the time of FO2 already started to get pushed out.

>1.
Something being rare doesn't give it inherent value if it's otherwise useless, it only makes it suitable for attaching artificial value to, much like fiat money. The only difference is that you can't manufacture more gold.
>2.
This is actually good, but vanity items like jewelry only exist because people want to flaunt their wealth, it's literally about wearing your money to show others how much of it you have. The modern uses of its antibacterial properties like tooth fillings and gold-plated surgical equipment came much later.
>3.
Again, not relevant back in the day. It's a very useful metal now, but not so much back when it was used as the primary measure of wealth.

I am not talking about the games.

You can bend your mind all over the place and think you are smart but you are as dumb as a brick.

>OP complains about bottlecaps being used as money
>you reply to him that ammo and clean water always makes more sense
>I reply that in FO1 there is a specific situation where bottlecaps do make more sense as currency
>hurr durr I wasnt talking about videogames

Ammunition and clean water make more sense in a post nuclear apocalypse world.

As several anons have already said, blame Bethesda. bottlecaps were used in fallout 1 because they were being backed by the water merchants of The Hub, because they represented the cap to a bottle of water. Once the NCR was established as a proper government they started producing their own currency, which began appearing in Fallout 2.

Like 99% of fallout, Bethesda just said WOW COOL MEME and reproduced it 1 to 1, like the throwback 50's and 60's Americana aesthetic, the Brotherhood of Steel, the Enclave, lmao radiation, etc. And people ate that shit up because all they had was vague nostalgia from grognards who played the OG games by Black Isle. Said OG fans HATED IT and I remember the bitching threads on Yea Forums when Fallout 3 first came out about THIS VERY TOPIC (as well as the original ending)

>keeps regurgitating his retarded post
I accept your concession

>Ammunition and clean water make more sense in a post nuclear apocalypse world.
and that's what the bottlecaps were, they were backed by WATER MERCHANTS and they had the value of a BOTTLE OF WATER to encourage people to RETURN THE CAPS.

for ammo you want Metro series where bullets are literally currency.

based 'oblivion with guns' user

shut up you nerd before I fuck your bussy in the locker room

In F2 it was because the entire game takes place in the influence zone of NCR and 99% traders you meet trade with NCR.

Nevada probably should've used casino chips as currency

Bethesda fixed this in Fallout 76 by making bottle caps a means of trading for basic goods (stimpaks, etc.) but not the most valuable thing. Players barter actual items and all the good NPC items cost goldbacks.

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>bethesda fixed
>in fallout 76
lmao
roflmao

This shit again? You autistic retards take Fallout way too seriously. It's one of the most tongue-in-cheek games I've ever played. It's not going for realism, you idiots.

Caps are only a thing because of the Hub merchants. They were never a universal currency in the entire US.

wrong

Great argument. Guess you got me there.

The ones that control the water purifying equipment would chose something as currency certainly be it bottles of water or big dragon dildos filled with water, but the water purifying equipment would be a target of everyone.
So ammunition would be more important. Its a funny catch 22 loop.
Concess my cock in your eye socket tard.

Not him but you just conceded. Yikes

I always assumed they had value because they were made of good quality steel, like you could melt them down for construction of something more important. Bottlecaps being made out of better-quality steel than building ruins or car wrecks seemed like a very subtle black humor thing.

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>grugette like shiny metal makes grug give her shiny metal for pussy
>grugsson beats dumb grognard for shiny metal
>gruggetina loves her gold necklace
>McGrugsson eats only from silver plate with silver spoon
>Arthur McGrogson the governor of Japan proclaimed that Sony TV is the best because it uses gold contacts

you can't carry water purifying equipment around.
Bottlecaps were redeemable for a bottle of water and came to represent a bottle of water because of this, because the bottlers wanted to encourage repeat business. As they had the only functioning bottling plant in the region, they could easily tell their caps from others. It also saved them effort by recycling caps.

As for ammunition, it has value but it's also really easy to manufacture, I'm not so sure it would be a good currency. The brass casings, ironically, probably would work better being the more expensive (and difficult to replace) part of the bullet. Brass is also a mineral you would want to recycle since mining it is labor intensive.

Bottle caps literally are fiat currency. Literally anyone can print bottle caps since they're made in a factory. They're worthless. The Fallout world should be using gold and silver as currency, not worthless aluminum.

They weren't in the context in which they were originally used and should have remained.

Thanks for the lore lesson user. Now i hate bethesda even more

Were there not plenty of coins still lying around from the old world or did they go extinct as the USD hyper-inflated

Plenty of coins but with no banks what value were they besides as a novelty or operating old still functioning vending machines?

Bottlecaps replacing money was a joke, it was black humor about how meaningless money was

>value is subjective
No shit, "value" is a strictly human concept

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prewar coins and normal paper are a thing, and they are pretty valuable in all the games, but outside of having some monetary value, without a bank backing it up its just old timey money

The scarcity of ammunition is not represented well enough.
You need ammunition to defend a facility.
To make ammunition that wont jam or missfire you need precise tools.
Fallout New Vegas would make more sense as a game if ammunition was much much more scarce.

>The Fallout world should be using gold and silver as currency
This is already addressed. Caesar's Legion makes coins out of precious metal and just one of them is worth a very large sum of equivalent bottlecaps (and even more equivalent NCR paper receipts.) Large societies like NCR have pretty much phased out bottlecaps in their entirety and we can assume the use of caps elsewhere stems from their reputation as currency in the Hub. Nothing in Fallout 3 (and almost nothing in 4) makes any sense and may as well be non-canon.

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Hunting dog knows that the value of the bird is high to his owner so he retrieves the bird to the owner.
Another thing about tooth replacements is theres archaeological findings of gold teeth from millennia ago.

Silver and gold knives and weapons as well.

The point is that it doesn't make sense to swap to something that's basically like coins but not as compact/ doesn't have denominations when you still have plenty of coins around the place

Caps don't have a fucking bank behind them either after all

>Caps don't have a fucking bank behind them either

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Part of the joke of the OG game is pre war guns and ammo was everywhere because America. But yes, ammo should be more valuable. That being said ammo isn't hard to make once you secure the resources necessary. One of those resources you can make from piss. You also don't necessarily need precision tools to make ammo, just to make GOOD ammo that works when it's supposed to.

autism

If you're relatively close to this place then it might make sense but should this really be enough for people on the other side of the US to see them as valuable