I got the Fia and the regular ending in the first playthroughs, and now for the sake of waifufagottry I got Ranni's one.
So, is she evil or extremely nihilistic? because what she wants is to turn all beings in the Lands Between as if they were one of Seluvi's puppets, and she literally tells you that when you talk to her one more time in her tower.
She even wonders if you're even willing to follow her after knowing that.
I love my wife Ranni!
i wanna put Ranni in Sellen's body and fuck her!!!!!!!
she's evil because she's been living inside a doll and hasn't felt cock in hundreds of years!
The English lines seem to have been mistranslated from what Miyazaki wrote, but the world's fucked anyway since she never heeded her mentor about fearing the Dark Moon. All the stuff it approved of in its prior era was the same as the Greater Will's flaws, but with more human sacrifice and slavery.
I want to breed the new generation of demigods with my wife Ranni
>because what she wants is to turn all beings in the Lands Between as if they were one of Seluvi's puppets
How do you even come to this conclusion? You're retarded
This is why people cry so much about mistranslations
>in hundreds of years!
*thousands of years
she was a virgin when she was alive too
Even if that was the case, it isn't if you actually listen to her in her tower and ending speech, why should i care about anybody in The Lands Between? The cool people I liked are dead and everyone else tried to kill me on sight, as far as I care they can get fucked so I can have my doll wife
It's the ultimate virgin/simp ending. In other endings your MC is a chad who does whatever the fuck he wants in his own way. In the tranni ending you MC is kneeling like a cuck (again) after doing 99% of the work and then ofc le take my hand my anime waifu dream doll uwu...
Sorry, but I don't have time to learn reading moonrunes.
>As it is now, life, and souls, and order are bound tightly together, but I would have them at a great remove. And have the certainties of sight, emotion, faith, and touch all become impossibilities.
>Here beginneth the chill night that encompasses all, reaching the great beyond. Into fear, doubt, and loneliness, as the path stretcheth into darkness.
Her plan (at least in English) sounds like absolutely psychotic JRPG villain-type shit and people either tune it out or ignore it because she cute
Yep, these guys are pure maidens, never to be touched by female hands.
First and foremost she is a kinslayer.
She is ultimately responsible for TWLID and the thousands of years of suffering that followed.
Her one decision cost the world a great deal.
However, what is all of that suffering really worth in the grand scheme of this setting when outer gods are vying for control over mortals?
If she is being true to the ideals she professes and wants it "at a great remove" from peoples daily lives, then maybe the sins are outweighed by the end goal.
>Abandoning Boc, Rya, Boggart, Miriel, and Torrent to a hellish world
>Ranni is a deeply benevolent idealist at heart who has done things with terrible unintended consequences in the past and will likely do things with terrible unintended consequences in the future but only has the best interests of the world and its people in mind
>Ranni is an megalomanical schizo who personally ruined the world and will further plunge it into oblivion but she loves (you) truly and unconditionally and is almost astonished that you would pledge loyalty to her sinister crusade
I am somehow okay with either of these being true
Don't worry you don't have to, because Japanese says the same thing, but more direct not to filter brainlets.
She wants her order to be far away from the lands between, unlike the golden order.
She didn't need to murder Godwyn to achieve that goal at all, the stars controlling her via fate and the Fingerslayer Blade means that she was never freed and didn't even plan on freedom. She did that out of spite and plans to abandon the world to the plague she created, even risking her mother's life as the blight spreads to Liurnia (seen on the crabs).
evil wifes are the best and purest wifes
In context, it's obvious she's talking about direct human contact with the divine, and a central ordering principle.
If she were talking about the end of conscious life and free will, why would that result in fear, doubt, and loneliness?
The Dark Moon isn't going to play ball with that though, based on all that Nokron and Liurnia were up to in its history, especially the human sacrifices and the slavery (Albinaurics, spirit ashes, etc.). Ranni is getting Gehrman'd ASAP, especially since she'd basically drawing the Dark Moon's attention and influence then and there to the Lands Between.
Ranni is just a schizo bitch who got fed up with Marika and her religion and wanted to follow Moon daddy so she shanked a guy who was the most popular. Whether Marika participated in this is debatable but Marika got staked in the end.
There is no GW mind control except for the Shadows they created, even so, Malikeith and Blaidd held on to their love for the two rebellious cunts in the end. They never betrayed and killed those cunts.
Iji never took off his helmet when he died.
The twins betrayed GO but they didn't have to kill their own bodies and their family members, they just packed up and left.
Rykard held up in his mansion and started eating people to rebel against GO.
Radahn was waging war against the capital when shit happened after the Shattering meaning that he also had his own agenda.
Mogh outright followed a different Outer God.
There are many more people who did their own thing in an attempt to take down GO and they were never brainwashed to follow GO.
The whole GW mindcontrol is just a scam and propaganda created by Ranni to justify her teenager phase so she can follow her Moon daddy.
We killed the demigods and the Elden Beast, we mended the ring ourselves. Not Ranni. She only killed her Two Fingers with a special cheese knife. She only came at the ending when everything was said and done to sit on the throne.
Now whoever try to debunk this post and whitewash her are just delusional waifufags that see no value in a well written and morally gray character that can do bad things to attain power. You don't deserve your waifu because you don't appreciate what she is.
>The whole GW mindcontrol is just a scam and propaganda created by Ranni
Source?
She basically extracted the great wills influence from the planet and puts up a wall where they cannot commune with its people anymore. However Ranni is now a great will and is still capable of communing with its people.. also Ranni is the epitome of a selfish creature. Everything she does is her own ideal, never do you meet anyone who shares her ideas, even her friends only support her cause they love her. Everyone Ranni every interacted with dies. She is presumably the worst character in the story for her implications. Gold mask at least looks out for the mortals and is trying to stop Demi gods from surfacing, removing the greater wills influence from the Golden Order. Dung eater is an omen who is trying to curse every single soul. The curse prevents theErdtree from essentially recycling your soul and gaining power in your death. Essentially after multiple generations the erdtree would starve and parish. Given the name dung eater no doubt to shame him on his vile quest.
I don't know why I should trust a bitch that had to hire people to do most of her deeds.
>never do you meet anyone who shares her ideas
There's an entire fucking civilization that does just that and got banished for it retard
he has no source, he's a typical christcuck who gets butthurt at the idea of god being evil in any fiction because it makes him start asking questions about the his god who doesn't exist
faith players tend to fall into 2 categories:
people who wanna use cool lightning projectiles along with buffs and healing
dumb christcucks who insert their naive beliefs into everything, and much like in IRL willfully ignores anything that challenges this belief
Did you meet them? Cause their all dead
Finally some good answer.
This is what I thought when I finished her quest without talking to her in the tower, but after doing that I just can't get out of the idea that this bitch is totally nuts.
And after seeing Seluvi's collection of toys I wondered why someone with a good heart will work with someone so rotten.
Btw: Most of the people here are like him, fuck you all.
>N-No it doesn't count they're all dead!
What's funny is that you do meet them, they were genocided but not all of them died. Try playing the game.
Which characters? I’m confused, please explain which civilization is trying to achieve the age of the stars and which of those characters explicitly tell you this is their ideals
>and plans to abandon the world to the plague she created
She just devised the plan that killed him, she has nothing to do with what happenee to the corpse.
>because what she wants is to turn all beings in the Lands Between as if they were one of Seluvi's puppets, and she literally tells you that when you talk to her one more time in her tower.
How is it possible to be this retarded
Why are you seething this hard? The user is right that nobody is mind controlled except for the shadows. What might be ordered is different from what a person can choose to do.
>This is what I thought when I finished her quest
Funny because she never says anything about what she wants to do during her quest. She talks about walking a dark path or whatever but never goes into specifics about what her order will entail. So how exactly did you come to that conclusion, before talking with her at Ranni's Rise after completing her quest?
I mean, if you haven't followed her storyline and have no idea what her motivations were, you'd obviously be inclined to take what she says literally and interpret is as some autistic villain plan
The dialog lines were deformed by the translators trying to veil what she says in some flowery prose, somewhat distorting what was meant in the original
Her storyline is about escaping the influence of the control freaks that are the two fingers and the greater will as a whole.
Moreover her making emotions an impossibility would be completely idiotic considering that, as evidenced by her dialog down in the underground area, underneath that cold facade she's clearly an emotional person that can get embarrassed over stupid things and cares for her close ones, she's clearly not the type to psyche out and want to erase all of that
The fear, doubt, and loneliness part is more about her (and by extension the protagonist's) voyage into the space to distance the new worldly order from possible mingling by other forces, something she mentions a few times in her dialogue before
I agree that all of that is really stupid and should have been translated in a more clear manner, but on the other hand, at least for the complete sperg that I am, figuring out what the fuck did she actually mean was great fun and heightened the appreciation of the character
Lunar princess is the best waifu
She had the rune before initiating the plan, she could have studied all its effects, especially the fact that it previously fueled a Black Flame that stuck around spreading ruin. She's responsible for the Deathblight curse, yet she tries to leave instead of fixing her mistake.
I played the Jap version and what I got from her ending was that she wanted to remove all outer influences from the world and basically everyone has free will.
The Nox retard, the people from the underground cities
>She's responsible for the Deathblight curse
She isn't, whoever dumped Godwyn at the roots of the tree is.
Ahh the ranni defender.
>wants to become a god but not under the greater will
>destroys her own body but not her souls just so she can escape the influence of the two finger
>creates a vessel for her mind and scatters them around
>whispers into the ears of young tarnished who have no memory of the world
>convinces you to help her become a god under the presumption of being her consort
>she is annoyed you discover her other vessel
>asks you to kill more of her former disciples
>everyone she loves is consumed by the two fingers, they all turn on her
>she could have given to her friends the escape she had, but never does this for them. Instead understands she will just kill them later
>Iji learns his closest friend had turned so he kills himself before it happens to him
>ranni succeeds in shutting out all the other gods from the world
>except for herself
>can commune with everyone and continue to whisper in their ears
>ranni is the good guy guys ;)
>Mine will be an order not of gold, but the stars and moon of the chill night.
>I would keep them far from the earth beneath our feet. As it is now, life, and souls, and order are bound tightly together, but would have them at great remove.
>And have the certainties of sight, emotion, faith, and touch... All become impossibilities.
She wants the exact opposite of everyone being puppets. By removing the manipulation of the greater will, she introduces uncertainty into the lives of everyone. In a sense, this is free will. It comes at a price, that you're on your own. There's no god telling you what to do, or how to live.
>Now cometh the age of the stars. A thousand year voyage under the wisdom of the Moon
>Here beginneth the chill night that encompasses all, reaching the great beyond. Into fear, doubt, and loneliness... As the path stretcheth into darkness.
There's no guiding light anymore, and it will be a difficult transition that comes with many unappealing qualities. But those that struggle through could be seen as being better off, as they are no longer puppets of the greater will.
Good and evil are matters of perspective, and one might see this as an evil act, but what she is fighting for implies that she would prevent outer gods from interfering any further, and this could be seen as a benevolent act. I also don't think it's a nihilistic motive, unless you believe that life's only value is that imparted by the scheming of gods.
That's not true though, they were just trying to bring the world under the influence of another greater will.
What does my post have to do with your headcanon, schizo? Take your meds
>Long ago, the Nox invoked the ire of the Greater Will, and were banished deep underground. Now they live under a false night sky, in eternal anticipation of their liege. Of the coming age of the stars. And their Lord of Night
Godwyn's body was cursed before anyone was able to move his corpse, that was made clear in the pre-release trailers. The curse was going to spread in general. Ranni never tries to fix the world-threatening problem she made. She also killed the one guy who wasn't genocidal or racist, the guy who ended a war with friendship instead of extermination. She has bad judgment in general.
>people who wanna use cool lightning projectiles along with buffs and healing
Yeah, that's me.
All this is true except Ranni is still a greater will now and we have no reason to assume she is not like the other gods. She is worse imo cause she lived among the mortals, was born among them, and still uses them like fucking puppets. The only respectable person in this game is gold mask.
>removing the greater wills influence from the Golden Order
This isn't what happens in Goldmask's ending and I wish you stupid faggots would quit pushing it. His ending is about how the human emotions of the Elden Lord and the Empyrean God will twist and distort the orders ordained by the Greater Will. You do his ending if you believe the GW is at its best when it is allowed direct control
She's banking her entire plan on the Dark Moon playing ball, even though her mentor and Nokron's example showed her that it won't. Also, only the shadows could be outright puppeteered in the first place, so nobody gains new freedom, just new shackles.
She literally fucks off into space with you so she can’t influence others
>Ranni is still a greater will now
No you brainlet, she's a goddess like Marika
My bad, I read not really paying attention to Ranni's questline and thought it was about another eldrich god or whatever these things are.
Why would you try to argue lore online when you don’t even know it
She becomes a fucking greater will you retards, it’s her entire fucking plan. Shut off all the gods except her and turn all you fucking pathetic tarnished into puppets. That’s her fucking goal holy shit you guys
Goldmask studied all the gods and cultures, even the outer gods fit his definition of the divine acting no better than mankind. Goldmask's mending rune is the one hope. Fia just makes Godwyn's tormented state a law of the world for everyone, Dung Eater damns everyone to a different type of suffering, Ranni banks it all on the Dark Moon while ignoring its real intentions, Marika's Fractured age barely does anything, and the Frenzied Flame just wants permanent annihilation.
Cool headcanon, dipshit.
This entire franchise is head canon
The Nox are said in another item description to have worshiped a black moon, which is probably the same as Ranni's Dark Moon, so she ends up under an outer god anyway.
Spoken like a true midwit
Great Will had its chance but in its infite stupidity it fucked everything up by removing death to create the GO.
Might as well try out a different Outer God until Miqella gets his own ending.
She is evil in the sense that she doesn't care about who gets hurt or dies as long as she achieves her objective but I still love her
I don't, it was just that one piece I thought I read otherwise than stated in the previous post.
What, where did you get this from? The way I understood it she is basicaly making a world like our IRL. Where gods dont have influence and faith is uncertain.
Post a single item or dialogue that states that Ranni becomes a greater will entity
Imagine if it was that simple, why didn't Marika do it then?
The Dark Moon is the equivalent to the Greater Will dipshit.
OP is just retarded
The English translation could be a little more explicit in its meaning, but it's amazing how many people have misinterpreted it.
Well, that's the plot or at least the traduction of it, only otaku freaks will complain with mistranslations and shit that no one normal would care about.
Answering to OP, Ranni was depicted as only caring for herself and no other, and for that she was part of Marika's scheme to start a war that would end the control of the Great Will on every beign in the Lands Between, some see this as a path of suffering like Gideon the aaaallll knowiiiing, and many more will take it in this way sinse they where always been controlled by a outer beign.
Yeah, with some more work on the translation Ranni's ending could be a very good one, where everyone could be free from the desires of godly entities, but we got what we got unlees the decided tho fix it on future patchs.
So, yeah, she's a evil bitch.
> Goldmask studied all the gods and cultures, even the outer gods fit his definition of the divine acting no better than mankind
Would you be kind enough to provide some concrete evidence for that, like item descriptions and dialogue lines ? Even if it is just heavily and somewhat unambiguously implied, is there really any evidence outside some weird headcanon that Goldmask has indeed studied the outer gods?
I get that you want your Mass Effect 3 ending to be a little more shade of gold than the others but there isn't a reason to start sprouting headcanon
That's exactly what she is doing, she is basically blocking outsiders influence over the world and making sure that the GW can never send in another emissary so she is the only true goddess.
OP just misinterpreted.
Ranni is evil but her end goal might be better in the long run than the Greater Will and she does fall in love with the Tarnished, these things aren't mutually exclusive.
>basicaly making a world like our IRL. Where gods dont have influence
OHnonono, he doesn't know
>show a witch character to americans/muslims
>omg she must be evil
What a simple and caveman way of thinking, its hard to believe they notice any lore at all
>So, yeah, she's a evil bitch.
AND SHE FUCKS SO GOOD I'M ON TOP OF IT
Iji's mirrorhelm
>Helm fashioned from a crystal looking-glass, said to have never left War Counselor Iji's head.
Easily broken and weak against striking attacks.
>Worn by those committed to high treason, it wards off the intervention of the Greater Will and its vassal Fingers.
>Iji was afraid. Terrified of his own treachery.
Iji had been paranoid about GW's "mindtroll" and he made this.
Now seethe, cope, and dilate.
you are completely wrong and have to be new to lore threads
How does that prove me wrong, retard? Prove to me that Ranni was the one who made that up as "propaganda"
Goldmask was a Golden Order scholar who researched as much as he could, from inventing pulley bows to reflecting on the danger of Golden Order fundamentalists turning into raving killers happier that they have an enemy than happy to keep life good. The latter is from one of the Incantations about fending off those who live in death. Also, as part of being in the religious academia, the standard teachings would likely include why the other outer gods suck (ex: Diseased lake under Liurnia, Malenia's curse, what happened to Caelid).
This is the most retarded thing I've read today
Oh I get it, you think they're making a tinfoil hat reference.
It's fascinating to see your gears turn