Bioshock Thread

I think the best question to ask is why Infinite with all its budget and ambition turned out so boring? I played up until just after the whole revelation think started and it was just not fun. Same with story, where I played up to I didn’t care for any of the characters.

headpatting simulator

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I recently replayed all three and one and twos controls feel so fluid and intuitive but three feels clunky as fuck. Everything about it is a hassle and feels plain bad. Story is serviceable and the game lives off the fact Elizabeth is an r34 icon.

2, I love the big sisters

people were worshipping the ground under it when it first came out. I can only guess it was an attempt at appealing to a wider audience because everyone I knew who had never played 1 or 2 at the time was fawning over how amazing and great infinite was. I think it was just a victim of trying to imitate the popular fps formula at the time and have a "Woah it's like inception" twist at the end

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you could maybe excuse the story if the gameplay was good but it wasn't. It was a streamlined (dumbed down) generic shooter. All plasmids do almost the same thing, either stun for a number of seconds or stun+damage or stun+dot.

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The weird think about infinite is that it feels like a completely different game that calls itself Bioshock. I don’t understand why it was getting 10/10 everywhere. People here say that Sony movie games are the death of fun, but I think that infinite is the worst because of what it represents. Dumbing down and simplifying already simple stuff just to appeal to a wider audience that won’t stick around.

How come no one has ever confronted Levine about him trashing Bioshock 2 yet half the things from it were borderline plagiarized for Infinite's narrative threads that funnily enough were done significantly worse(Comstock's cult=The Rapture Family, Booker/Elizabeth= Subject Delta/Eleanor)

>inb4 muh multiverse shit

Everyone with half a brain knows that is one of the most awfully lazy explanations you can possibly give when it comes to this sort of a thing.

kek the infinite universes was the biggest writing cop out imaginable but people LOVED it. It was akin to shakespear at the time according to all the fans and """""journalists"""""

Bioshock 2 had a tighter budget and shorter time. Yet it turned out to be the best in the series.

Infinite had lots of money thrown at it and plenty of time in the oven. Yet it turned out burnt.

>It was akin to shakespear at the time according to all the fans and """""journalists"""""
This wasn't actually a real comparison was it... I'm gonna need some pics.

>infinite is the worst because of what it represents
Exactly. I wouldn't even have that huge of a problem with it if it had a different name and no connections to Bioshock (although it still would be shit).

>Bioshock 2 had a tighter budget and shorter time. Yet it turned out to be the best in the series.
Diamonds are made under pressure. Limitations create better art. Just a simple fact.

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It's been too long user and after about 1-2 years in everyone turned on it for the dogshit it was. Let's just say it was considered brilliant at the time

>Limitations create better art.
Tell that to Metroid Other M

1 for story
2 for gameplay
3 for Elizabeth porn

2's gameplay is really kino and locations are cool too
but shoehorning the shrink into an already finished arc was one of the worst retcons I've ever seen in my life and to this day I cannot fathom why the game shipped with that story

In my opinion there is just something that I find rotten about Bioshock Infinite. There’s bad games like Devils Third and there’s really dissapointing games like TLOU2 but I just find something about Infinite that just ticks me off.

Like if I buy a movie game or book and don’t like it I just keep it unless I need the money. But when I just looked at infinite on my shelf it just put me in a bad mood so I sold it. If there’s anything I can say is that no other work of fiction has made me feel that way

>Tell that to Metroid Other M
idk, haven't played it but the best example of limitations creating better art are probably VTMB and Deus Ex. Of course it won't apply to every single case, you have to have a talented team as well.

I think I'm in the same boat. I liked 2 gameplay wise more but I was disappointed that the story was so samey. I really loved setting up defenses to protect the little sisters though, that was a great mechanic.

>It's been too long user
Not for me. There was a lot of talk about Bioshock Infinite and Last of Us being the "Citizen Kane of Gaming." The videogame that would finally prove to Roger Ebert's ghost that videogames, are in fact, art.

npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2017/04/09/523019414/reading-the-game-bioshock-infinite
>Infinite plays like a game when it's in your hands, but settles like a great novel or brilliant movie in your head when you walk away.

nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/brains-over-brawn-why-smart-people-are-drawn-bioshock-infinite-flna1b9066435
>BuzzFeed dubbed the new installment "the most important game of the last five years." Wired said that creator Ken Levine’s work on "BioShock Infinite" might finally prove to the medium’s skeptics that "a videogame [can] become an influential cultural artifact." And now that the game is out, NBC News’ own Todd Kenreck calls it "a masterpiece."

Which of course caused people to meme the shit out of it such as this famous number here
youtu.be/l_u18_BKczg

>but shoehorning the shrink into an already finished arc was one of the worst retcons I've ever seen in my life
I think you're being a bit harsh. Sure it was a bit out of place at first but the story is actually great so I was able to accept the retcon pretty easily.

I don't know how many strings were pulled and how much money changed hands to get all that press about infinite. Extremely mediocre story, with pretentiousness and nonsensical time travel on top. I don't know how you, as a professional in a public space, put out an opinion like that and don't at bare minimum retract it or better yet kill yourself in shame for ever making it.

Ok that video was great.

kek that video

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It wasn't just that the story was samey. It was that it was the same story...just in the other direction. The story of Bioshock is about a man who believed in the individual. That great minds should be able to do whatever they want exclusively because they were great and that they can pull themselves up by their bootstraps and carve their way through history. Disregarding that his doctors and artists and business owners still needed people to clean the pipes and sweep the floors. And that the environment he created made room for the Frank Fontaines to waltz in and fuck up everything.

Bioshock 2 is just the opposite of that. Bioshock 2 is the story of a woman named Sofia Lamb who believed in the collective. That everyone should serve the people in a kind of altruistic hivemind. Be your brother's keeper and work together. Disregarding that fathers and reporters and business owners are still going to serve their own interests however they can. And the environment she created made room for multiple fathers to kick down her door looking for the daughters she stole. I guess the wild card is that her own daughter ended up turning on her because, oops, you can't replace a little girl's parents with a nebulous "greater good."

Still it felt like Bioshock 2 was just a response to Bioshock 1 rather than its own inspired idea. Still a better overall game though.

>I don't know how many strings were pulled and how much money changed hands to get all that press about infinite.
No money changed hands user, it's the same as Elden Rings hype now. If you didn't say it was a masterpiece and the greatest work of all time back then you lost all credibility among the retards who liked it because "its popular and liking it means I'm smart".

More of the story? Never underestimate peoples never ending desire for validation among their peers.

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I always type the same stuff, I should save it somewhere for future BS2 threads
>implying ryan wouldn't mention her name not even once in 1's holotapes
>implying fontaine wouldn't mention her name not even once in 1's holotapes
>implying noone would mention a successful commie movement, ever
>implying a communist movement that managed to take root in an ancap society would just cease to exist after leader is locked away
>implying movements die when leaders are locked but not grow out of their martyrdom
>implying implications

solution?
>shrink arrived the DAY of the terror attack in new years, started operating out of the shadows
done

>Still it felt like Bioshock 2 was just a response to Bioshock 1 rather than its own inspired idea. Still a better overall game though.
I think it's great that a "response game" was made and gave different perspectives though.

I think bioshock 1+2 are mainly just a warning against extreme ideologies. Don’t take capitalism too far and don’t take socialism too far. Just keep em both in check sometimes if you can

Burial at Sea 2 put it all into context

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I can personally just write it off as an alternate universe where she existed though. Given kens fuckery in infinite that actually fits the lore as well lmao.

Have you heard him talk at vasser? Faggot is in his own little world. He thinks that systemshock 1,2 and bioshock were all failures.

My biggest gripe with 2 is that it feels like there's one character or another talking directly into your fucking brain for 95% of the game. You're very rarely left alone and it ruins the atmosphere.

I don't usually say the term pretentious lightly but Adam Sessler's review of Infinite absolutely is pretentious drivel and i urge anons here to check it out if they don't believe how schizo the hype for that game was back in 2013.

>Still it felt like Bioshock 2 was just a response rather than its own inspired idea
That's why I can't enjoy it. I don't care if the gameplay is arguably better because it just feels like a bad copy paste but ideologically in the other direction. I prefer Infinite just because at least it's passionate even though it's horribly wrong

>I don’t understand why it was getting 10/10 everywhere
Parent/child stories are top-shelf normalfag bait, it works every time.

>look it up
>click halfway into the video
"art direction that is almost numbing in its inventiveness"
>dislike, close tab

this, people just want validation and will sell out to anything for it

Loved 1, 2 was good, haven't played 3 yet.

Ok so why isn’t 2 getting multiple pretentious video essays written about it then?

>The player picks up audio recordings throughout the game from Comstock, Columbia's founder, that opine with unsettling honesty about the white man's burden. Non-player characters sneer at Booker and ask if you "like your coffee black" when you show sympathy to African-American characters, and one character jokes about being "half a Jew when it comes to silver." Games — even ones with a far more obvious debt to realism than "Infinite" — have never been this courageous when it comes to broaching the reality of race and class.

Wow

I went to that review and holy fuck, read the comments man. It's all fart sniffing retards saying sessler is a genius and the best reviewer of all time.

I realized that I don't like this game at all after replaying it. It was decent on release for me but became disappointing a couple of years after.

Because, ironically, BS2 got the same complaints that it's getting in this thread now. Which is that it's derivative of Bioshock which was like the best story ever bro. Time has been kind to BS2 but not enough where it's popularity is everywhere. It missed its time in the sun whereas Bioshock Infinite released in a time where dad simulators were all the rage. Just to be clear the Last of Us would release around the same time and would also be called the Citizen Kane of Gaming

holy fucking shit i hate this video. i thought i liked sessler, what the fuck is this shit

I hated the idea of 2 at the time and never played it because I thought it would be shit without Levine. Having now played it, it's actually better than 1 because it doesn't have Levine. The characters and setting feel like way more thought was put into them. Rapture feels more grounded and developed as a setting.

How is he so based?

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Him and Yahtzee (though I think Yahtz exaggerates his character) they just attract the worst people possible. The Silent Hill 2, MGS2, Shadow of the colossus snobs

Based, 2 is 1 but better in every way. Levine is a hack and I don't expect anything good to come from Ghost Story Games or whatever its called, in fact I don't expect anything to come from it. They will probably close the doors before anything ships.