Are we really not going to talk about how the combat is better than Elden Ring? who would have expected that from Kirby

are we really not going to talk about how the combat is better than Elden Ring? who would have expected that from Kirby

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The power ups are way better than they were in Star Allies. It's due to how they constructed the levels but also by locking the best features of each power behind a level up system. Even the most OP powerups are not enough to remove the challenge from the post game bosses.

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Protip: if you want to talk about a game, don't start the thread with bait

if it looks like you hit an enemy based on your camera perspective it connects anyway, if you dodge roll just before you get attacked then you enter slomo and can get a few attacks in yourself

It's not bait

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H-How would the combat even...

Ugh... No, I won't bother asking. Just... No.

but monster hunter threads are great if they start out inflammatory

The fuck is this

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I wish there was a command list for the powerups in the training room.
How was I supposed to know that you can do a powerup attack after dodging?
Or being able to extend the sword spin by mashing B?
Or throwing the hammer away like in previous games if you triple dash then attack?

>mook enemies are as retarded as you look when a boss baits out your roll
sounds consistent

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no movelist is the biggest complaint by far

how the fuck are you supposed to know that the morpha sword has separate air and ground attacks for holding guard and attack at the same time

Input reading.
Enemy ai sees 'player is using projectile' ai goes 'use dodge to avoid'.
There is nothing else. Game isn't checking if the projectile is going at the enemy or anything.
Just 'player projectile = dodge'.
GOTY my ass.

>Or throwing the hammer away like in previous games if you triple dash then attack?
explain this please.

>souls
>dodge roll then counter attack
>kirby
>dodge roll then counter attack

they are about on par

I miss the movelist but it kinda reminds me of older games where you just had to figure stuff out on your own/through friends, and it almost makes it cooler

The difference is Kirby enemies/bosses actually look like they take damage rather than just not react to anything like souls

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He means this

Movelists were a thing all the way back in super star, you being too stupid to read the pause menu doesn't mean it wasn't there.

>what is adventure, dreamland2+3, crystal shards
really user? you pick one game out of 4. either amazing mirror or squeak squad was the first """"modern""""" kirby game to make move lists a permanent fixture.

>what is adventure, dreamland2+3, crystal shards
you don't really need a movelist when each ability only does one thing

What games might scratch the Kirby itch, Yea Forums?
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Already played Mega Man, Shovel Knight, Castlevania, etc.

yep, no spirit ashes or bleed to ruin the balance, no bosses with 30 fucking attacks before they stop, just fun, lighthearted but challenging combat

Elfilin is a whore (Male)

fromniggerware are fucking hacks

But that's realistic. If I aimed a bow at you would you stand still assuming I'm going to shoot to the side for some reason or would you try to jump out of the way?

I just watched the Antdude video too

It's such a shit move, especially in 3D.
Literally what fucking situation are you in where you're like
"yep, done with my hammer. think i'll go out of my way to throw it at enemies that die in 1-2 hits now instead of just grabbing the next ability i'm interested in" beyond wanting to style on bosses?

I liked how the dodge had you using i-frames AND positioning because you could go through attacks but still be hit on the other side if you didn't consider positioning for active attacks. Since Kirby has a better dodge and the entirety of Souls games' combat has been reduced to pressing the roll button at the right time, I conclude that Kirby has a better combat system.

It has what.

Klonoa

except it's not aimed at them. It's not Player Projectile + aimed at Entity = Dodge.
It's just Player projectile = Dodge. The webm doesn't even have the player locked onto anything and shooting away from the enemies. They all dodge in unison. If the spell that was cast was bubbles or Carian swords. they would dodge and do nothing as the spell hits them uncontested.

>actually defending some of the worse enemy ai in years
peak retard.

guard plus hold attack in the ground and air user. try it.

poyo

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it does and people will overlook this fact, this shit is more fun than reddit ring.
>T.dropped reddit ring after 30 hours because of the horrible open world and shitty fakeout bosses that got boring. FL combat. Fucking try this Ultimate cup level 1 shit, it was way more entertaining than Reddit Ring could have ever dreamed of being

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Kirby somehow feels more responsive despite the game running at half the framerate.

KNEEL

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I feel like they should nerf dodge roll since it actually makes the act of jumping almost pointless. Dodging in the 2D games was balanced enough to not make jumping pointless. Because actually jumping and positing the attacks from bosses is actually quite fun if you don't dodge roll everything

I'd be okay if they took i-frames away, or made the window really small. Like Astral Chain.

it's far to easy to trigger the slowdown and triggering the slowdown seems to give you even more iframes than a normal dodge, if both things were a bit more strict it would feel a lot better. I shouldnt be able to stand inside of danger just because i dodge rolled at the right time, it should require me to dodge roll into actual safety.

>ywn go to the world of drawcia

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>jealous nintendie trying to shit on the game of the decade

You lost, get over it.

I feel like they could keep the current one if you could do it once every five seconds or so. I've seen too many people just spam the living shit out of it. Maybe they could indicate it by making kirby sweat like a cartoon and after five seconds there is a flash or sound indicating you can do it again

So uhhh....
what was Chaos Elfilis? I mean the ball form.

chaos

the soul

darkness

The Soulsborne games all have extremely mediocre combat, which has ironically only gotten worse since Bloodborne made the series more combat focused (meaning fewer of the novelty encounters and ambushes from Demon's and DS1). Most fights are won by mashing one or two attack buttons with it usually making no difference which attack you use or which order you use them in, true combos have no relevance outside of high level multiplayer fights. 99% of the combat consists of reading enemy attack patterns, pressing either the dodge or parry button at the right time, and then spamming attacks or performing a le epic cutscene takedown. Compare them to dedicated ARPGs like Diablo they suck. Compared to dedicated hack-n-slash or beat em ups they suck. Compared to dedicated 3d multiplayer melee fighters like For Honor or Morhau they suck. This series would have gone nowhere if not for the gaming media hyping it up as being the
>HARDEST GAME LIKE DUDE SERIOUSLY THE HARDEST GAME EVER (plz add ez mode miyazaki-sama)
I just fucking hate what action games have become. Or at least what the leaders of the genre are doing with it.

>get all the target times for every treasure road
>no reward, not even a figurine

what a rip

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Cutterbros where you at

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>drugs+star.webm
every time

the creamy center of course

Drugs are meta, of course they'll show up most of the time.

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This game's only measure of success is how fast you beat the boss, so it'll be that way. I'm just glad most abilities have some mechanic you have to use and position right to get there, not just whatever move is highest damage. Drugs just push it even more

movesets in kirby differ significantly while in souls it's purely cosmetic and there's more viable ways to dodge in forgotten land than in elden ring

>The Soulsborne games all have extremely mediocre combat
it's flat out bad

they've been making the same game for the best part of a decade and they still haven't figured out how to fix giant obvious flaws like enemy weapons phasing through walls and pillars, the terrible lock on/camera control system or the input queuing

at this point I even suspect they know these aspects are broken but they leave them like that anyway because their retarded fans think dealing with garbage like that is le gitting gud

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Kirby's camera is also actually functional

This is bait, because enemies in kirby do not have a dodge function to compare to

if I shoot to the side of meta knight would he move into it?

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