Kotor1 vs 2

KOTOR1 = babies first Star Wars game. Cartoon-level villain who has all of 5 minutes total in the game. Classic yet same old tale of good vs evil with all the tropes that follow.

KOTOR2 = the patricians choice of Star Wars. A deep, meaningful look into the dogma of both the sith and the Jedi and why blindly following either path is terrible.

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1 is comfier, 2 is better if you want it to be a bit more serious
i think both are great overall

1 still has what I think is one of the greatest twists in gaming history.
And actual fallout depending on a choice, incredible.

2 has the most merit as a piece of fiction out of everything associated with star wars. It is far and away the best thing ever written in the franchise.

KOTOR 1 doesn't have Pure Pazaak Man so it is objectively not as good as 2. KOTOR 2 is Atton/10, and KOTOR 1 is no-Atton/10.

KOTOR 1 is baffling to me because it proves how BioWare are incapable of writing a plot that isn’t “an ancient evil awakens”.

The game is just the OT and Baldur’s Gate put in a blender without any semblance of originality.

KOTOR 2 on the other hand is a unique take on the universe that also respects the source material.

I = Star Wars power fantasy written at an eighth grade level delivered in a tight packet

II = An adult deconstruction wrestling with the metaphysical and philosophical themes that influenced and molded the creation of Star Wars, lessened by a rushed and somewhat sabotaged release.

II has no right to be as great as it is. It's a fluke that makes me all that sadder that Avellone has been canceled, though the silver lining might be that he was probably in need of a break after years of diminishing returns creativity wise.

for me it is the most obvious twist in gaming

He got semi un-canceled. Shadow still looms though.

KOTOR1, hands down
2 is a railroaded piece of shit with awful writing and characters. I'm glad their A team was working on NWN2 instead.

Details?
Last I knew he was going forward with a libel suit that didn't seem to have a strong case, even though that in a more sane world his accusers didn't seem to have one either.

I dislike it when people claim that KOTOR 2 is a deconstruction of Star Wars when the entire film saga is about the folly of both the Jedi and the Sith.

This.
>Game establishes that there are 2 active Sith Lords
>the whereabouts of one of them is unknown
>the MC has amnesia and strange dreams

Gee, I wonder what the twist is?

Her motion to strike was denied and it goes to court in november.

unicourt.com/case/ca-la23-christopher-an-individual-avellone-vs-karissa-an-individual-barrows-et-al-702893

>söy wars

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2 has more potential but I found it a chore even with the content restored mod. 1 is way more fun.

I liked the story of 1 more
2 was still awesome though

2 is my favorite game
1 does some good stuff too but obviously way different tonally

I just think the writing in 1 is too lacking, there's characters that bring up reasonable points as to why the Jedi order has problems and your only Light side option is to say "no the Jedi are good"

my takeaway from reading this thread is kotor2 seems to be liked more by try hard neckbeards, despite being a much more tedious and unfun game than the first one.

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dangerously based

>try hard neckbeards
why thank you

Saga isn't really about that in entirety, Jedi are obviously more in the right than the Sith despite flawed ideology and being blind to the big picture. It's surface level. KOTORII meanwhile is more a deconstruction of the concepts that inspired Star Wars in the first place, mainly those taken from The Hero with a Thousand Faces and dualist religions and mythology, while also being a reaffirmation of said concepts if the player refuses to buy into Kreia's Nihilism, choosing to bear the burden of that eternal "Sisyphusian" conflict with grace.

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Both of them are equally good, there is 0 point to not play them

Neat. I hope for a fair and balanced outcome.

SWTOR.

The Prequels make it clear that the Jedi are their repressive ideology are partly to blame for Anakin’s downfall.

It’s only through Luke’s love and forgiveness that he’s able to find redemption.

2
>muh bioware shilling
>muh obsidrones
no, its 2.

i prefer 1 over 2 any day
also i think restoration mod for 2 makes that game even worse, there is a reason why most of that shit got deleted in the first place

I kind of hate how Star Wars does redemption.
>kill untold hundreds personally
>oversee the destruction of an entire populated planet
>don't let some old fuck kill your son
>instantly redeemed and die 60 seconds later
Fuck Anakin. Should have gone to force hell instead of hanging around with Obi-Wan and Yoda.

So user theres this thing call Christianity and it says no matter how many people you rape and kill if you say you are sorry everything is better. Jedi heaven is similar.

It will be. Civil law is on a balance of probabilities and both sides will get their say. Usually applications to strike never go through unless the case brought was clearly bullshit. Judges know whats up and should be able to keep jurries from mucking up too badly.

2 if it was actually finished.

I played both, I don't even remember.

Fucking kek

1 is better, 2 is a hot mess

KOTOR 2's big bad had a disappointing boss battle and then it turns out that the big bad isn't even the final boss despite being the strongest

1 is very star wars which is boring but also cool
2 is kino

Hmm, on one hand KOTOR1 had the superior twist.

On the other, KOTOR2 had more depth. I'm gonna go ahead and say,

Elden Ring

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what now big boy

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KOTOR 2 with restoration mod > KOTOR 1 > KOTOR 2 Vanilla

I absolutely love the tone of KOTOR 2 and how it was handled, and hate that Obsidian was forced to release it early and cut a shit ton out of the game. Its also one of my favorite pieces of Star Wars media in general.

KOTOR 1 is hard as fuck. I can't make progress or get anywhere in this game and constantly die it's one of the hardest games I have ever played and I don't normally struggle with games everyone saying they played this as a child were full of shit and played it with guides or on easy mode what teh fcuck.

>that random selkath on the front of the cover

lol what, on hard difficulty or what? even as a retarded kid who didn't know what an attribute score meant I managed to beat it

Fuck you, I can't get anywhere in this game it's on medium difficulty.

the real hero of kotor

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Just go melee and spam flurry, or go Wisdom and spam lightning

Dath bane isn't really the villain of the story as much as a simple plot device. Him attacking your ship is just an inciting incident. The real push of the story is finding out what the hell is going on and stopping the star forge.

I wouldn't be surprised if Darth Bane is a real sith name

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I haven't even got that far yet

The intro of KOTOR 1 on the Endar Spire was absolute kino, but KOTOR 2 has the better story and gameplay overall.

post character stats, I wanna see

The Restored Content Mod is largely straight restored content as the devs intended. The droid planet is a separate thing. It was cut early and most of its concepts were transferred to Nar Shadaa. If the devs were given more time, it still would have been cut. Because it was cut early, there's less content to restore, so it required more fan input to piece together, and is therefore complete shit. Don't download it.

I highly recommend reading the triology. The lightsaber practice with the rain drops sticks with me even over a decade later. The titles are Darth Bane: Path of Destruction (2006), Darth Bane: Rule of Two (2007), and Darth Bane: Dynasty of Evil (2009).

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the beginning of 2 is so boring that i was never able to get past it. even after playing for what felt like hours i was still in some boring tutorial. absolutely nothing about it pulled me in. The first game had an extremely quick tutorial sequence and then immediately puts you in the very enjoyable Taris area

KOTOR 1 had better lore with the Rakatas and the Infinite Empire. KOTOR 2 delved a bit more into the Mandalorian wars but the Mass Shadow Generator felt a bit contrived. Why was such a strong weapon never built and used again? At least with the Star Forge it's because no one alive knows how to build something like that.

>the very enjoyable Taris area
Based Taris enjoyer. It's peak comfy but many retards get filtered by it because of 'where are muh force powers and muh lightsaber?'

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I honetly like Peragus but even though you have some more freedom on Telos I hate that bit more

I know a lot of people hate Peragus but I really enjoyed it. It was very atmospheric and set the tone for teh rest of the game very well. But Telos was dreadful.