I FUCKING HATE DELAYED ATTACK, WHY IS THIS A THING??

It's literally the only thing that keeps the combat even vaguely interesting.

>Enemy spends his strength on a heavy swing
>SIKE HERES A FRONTFLIP I WIN
Le tricky drunken swinging incredible Hulk enemy n 643 gets boring. This shit is padding.

Maybe use a shield you fucking retard.

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Radagon flies across the arena to catch you.

Nioh2 has variable length combos on most bosses, which are literally the same thng as this just differently implemented.

Souls formula is squeezed completely dry of all potential. They resort to cheapest shit possible to keep the game "engaging".
>Animation with random delay, you can't determine exact moment when to dodge, you can only grind memorization of it
>Obscenely obvious input reading
>Fuck you AOEs with non-intuitive ways to avoid them
>Absurd recovery times on all player's animation, while enemies get to interrupt their own recovery animations
It looks like a malicious parody of original souls game design. And do you know what's worst of all? This shit sold. Get ready for at least 2 more installments with similar style, while DS2 should have been last game using this formula.

And have my stamina broken in one block? No thanks.

Doesn't matter. I hold block+mash backstep and I'm safe from any combo. Ryomen Sukuna is really fun to fight because of how fun it is to dodge his attacks.

Any games that delay the attack when you dodge, but not when you don't?

why don't they just remove iframes if they don't want me using them

>Random delay
Every delayed attack is recognizable and the delay isn't random.
>Obscenely obvious input reading
On 1 boss type in specific circumstances.
>Fuck you AOEs with non-intuitive ways to avoid them
Jumping over things on the ground is rather intuitive.
>Absurd recovery times on all player's animation, while enemies get to interrupt their own recovery animations
If you want to use a colossal weapon, learn it's recovery times for every attack by heart or you'll get slapped.
It's not hard, it's not random, you just suck.

They do want you using them, just not mashing roll.

Oh so you just want to mash roll to avoid attacks, okay. Bloodhound step is there to help shitters, use that.

The worst part is it wouldn't even be so fucking faggy if it were done properly.
Feints have always been a proper fighting technique and they can be made to look cool, but instead of:
>Enemy begins their swing, halts their swing, then pulls back to be ready to swing again
Or
>Enemy does a fake swing so and ends up swinging at a totally different trajectory then they would a first glance

We get dumb shit like:
>Enemy swings, somehow cancels most of their momentum for half a second then resumes the swing at full speed
Or
>Enemy defies gravity and physics in general to hang frozen in the air for about 3 seconds then suddenly gains the momentum of a fighter jet seemingly from nowhere

It looks as dumb as it plays

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The game is best played with light roll+talisman/mobility arts/parry or greatshield. You have to adapt.

Lol you're either retarded or haven't played the game if you think only one boss/enemy type reads inputs
t. got plat

Oh shit is that warrior's decimate from FFXIV

>the delay isn't random.
No but they will react to your early roll and hit you quicker than they usually do to catch your roll.

>implying OP can actually stop whining and git gud

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I honestly wish they would remove iframes, if you get hit you should get hit

THE LOATHSOME DUNG EATER

Then don't early roll? How hard is that?

>just abuse certain mechanics and don't engage with 90% of the game's content
good advice and good design

>get invaded by guy called 'bleed is shit'
>hes using a greatsword
>i start beating the shit out of him and he immediately starts using bloodhound step and that dragon scarlet rot incantation out of sheer desperation
bleed is shit but i guess bloodhound step and abusing scarlet rot is alright huh lmao, surely this was one of you dummies

Only godskin apostles have it absolutely blatant and noticeable.

Is there even a difference between light and medium roll? I can't notice any.

this is ok start but it needs something more.

>refuse to use weapons or weapon arts which are literally there to experiment with and use depending on fight
>because using things in the game make you miss out on the game
holy fucking shit

you never played it you brain damaged retard

When fighting on torrent, you have no iframes except if you completely stop and then dismount which is much slower than a roll. To fight dragons or fire giant on mount, you have to do a hit and run style play where you run away before they attack.

you can literally use heavy attacks on some delayed attacks, like Morgott ones, and still have time to dodge just fine

>another retard who refused to use jump to dodge

Or perhaps you're just a shitter. Who knows.
Everything listed is either easy to time, remember or work around.
But some players are too trash to do it, hence your asshurt.

OP literally said "best played" with the implication that it's the playstyle you should be using for the majority of the game

git gud

Yesterday I found an enemy that swings his claymore for an attack, then uses the claymore to propel himself off the ground into a front flip for another swing. I can't get mad at this kind of stuff it's too funny.

you've already played this game 5 times over the last 13 years, how else are they gonna shake things up.

You can still dash the Draconic Sentinel hitscan meme lightning though. No iframes, you just slide out of it before it hits, tricky timing.

>best played with a variety of different approaches to defense
>it's somehow a single playstyle
holy fucking shit

>muh jump
>some horisontal attacks are dodgeable by it
>some aren't, despite having nearly similar animation
Especially funny after game signalling you that jump is viable in any particular case in Sekiro. You're a shit-eating faggot without any standards.

Still halfway through the game but I just want to say fuck queen maggie. That fight is fucking GARBAGE even though I beat it first try
>start with 3 rat things attacking you
>3 infinite FP mages shooting shit at you the entire time
>big boss that's hard to keep the camera on swinging randomly on weird terrain, so can easily get hit when you thought you were fine
Dogshit fight

t. calls anything that beats him "abuse"

>elden ring is bad because i get punished for spamming dodge
based retard

I think the amount of RNG inherent in boss encounters in this game has damaged discussion much more than an easy mode ever could.

>those flathead ants that apparently know gravity-manipulating magic with how they can stay at the height of their jump for what feels like a solid two seconds before slamming into the ground

well considering i beat him either way it looks like your dumbass theory about me isn't exactly correct

My favorite delayed attacks are the ones where the boss leaps in the air then slows down mid-leap in the air fucking somehow

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You forget that

>Animation with random delay, you can't determine exact moment when to dodge, you can only grind memorization of it
and
>Obscenely obvious input reading

Are combined, so that the bosses delay their attacks until the instant you roll and then the attack goes off. So even if your roll would have been safe because it's a longer delayed attack, you'll still get hit because of Input Reading.

It's the cheapest, stupidest design imaginable. Remember in DS1 and 2 where you fought actual enemies who swung their weapons with actual weight behind them?

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You get used to it quickly if you aren't shit

Wait no what? The enemies in elden ring actually change the pace of their attacks based on what you do. Thats fucking hillarious.

in most cases you can tell which attack you can jump above or "duck" under.
if some is atypical and hits you, then you... remember the pattern and don't do it again.
it's not hard, really.

>Boss jumps in the air and does a huge swing
>Dodge under and behind them
>Boss swivels around mid-air, cencelling their momentum, turns 180 degrees and hits you with the attack

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It was totally you.

It's called a feint and I'm amazed how many of you fuckers fall for it

Yeah I remember.
Here, a trip down memory lane:
youtube.com/watch?v=ReCjtp-9cmY

>remember
This will never not be shit game design. Player's failure should be result of player not following rules of the game properly, not of player not knowing about gotcha moment prior to getting fucked by it. ER consists of gotcha moments more than of rules. It's a parody of souls game.
>But some players are too trash to do it
I'm legitimately willing to bet money that you were screeching here about Sekiro after getting filtered by it faggot. Feel free to deny anything, but we both know it's true.

They reduced iFrames in DS2 because of faggots like you, and people could not stop bitching about it for fucking years.

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>parody of souls game
>the game where you have to learn enemy movesets and remember the attacks
>remembering atypical attacks is a parody of that
are you retarded?