Elden Ring Lore

>all this Zanzibart tier shit
You people are sad.

>594979581
>Twitter meme
Shazam lost

Your opinion is worthless because you're not Japanese. Nobody here is. Go ask an actual Japanese person what they think and then post it here.

the ring is the beast
the only reason you fight it because it's the last ditch effort of the ring trying to defend itself from you
if that's actually what the greater will wants is questionable considering that you still receive the guidance of grace all the way up to the fire so whatever is guiding you want you to burn the tree

Muh untranslatable sacred Nihongo is as autistic as Indians claiming Sanskrit was used to make spaceships and has magic powers from the very sounds it produces.

kek. Should have wasted less time arguing lore and spent more time learning moonrunes.

So you dont trust the translation in the game or the posts correcting the game script, but you'll trust a random Japanese person that might not know English well enough to understandwhat the problems are or be able to explain them?

The Draconian race aren't the same as Dragonkin soldiers, who were Nox creations made to emulate the real dragons.
Also, the character creator races in general don't seem to make much sense seeing as you can be a Numen, who all seem to be 8 feet tall shapely women who can't bleed ingame.

Marika was always guiding you.
She was trapped inside the tree the entire time.
Radagon was in there trying to repair the ring the entire time and put his seal on the door to the tree.
That's why you had to burn it, to get in there and defeat him.

Did she do literally anything right? Even if you agree with her motivations she fucked up everything she attempted

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We'll likely get more insight into what she was up to with Miquella in the DLC since we'll get a lot of Miquella loredump

I've learned moonrunes, I know several thousand of them, and even I know that most of the time I get the nuance wrong because I didn't spend 10+ years consuming Japanese culture and content or have Japanese friends to understand the wider Japanese perspective and viewpoints, especially as they vary between age groups, to be able to make an accurate translation. You don't either. You're just as worthless as deepl and google translate.

What fucking opinion.
They use the kanji 樹 instead of 木 to refer to these trees to semantically set them apart from regular trees.
Using DeepL that doesn't give a shit about anything but translating into some form of standard English bereft of any kind of prose or subtext doesn't proof shit.

If people don't get to comment on this shit for "not being Japanese" then neither do you for not being the Author/Editor of either the Japanese or English version of the script.

How powerful are we as elden lord? We can bring back the friends we lost along the way, right? Right?

also give me a quick rundown on all the endings

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Another one bites the dust

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You understand by this point that translating is a 2 way street then. You have to understand both ends to be good at it. You're asking for incompetent understanding of Japanese to be corrected with incompetent understanding of English.

Legit question would you be made if the translation wasn't 1:1 but lead to the sake conclusions?
Like if the order of information delivered was different but lead to the same end?btw
>DUDE WEED

Why are you using the Japanese version when the games lore was written by an American

>DUDE TRUST ME THIS FINGER CAN COMMUNICATE WITH ALIENS

>who all seem to be 8 feet tall shapely women
Except Diallos and his bro

The entire Crucible thing is very vague and I think they left it for one of the DLCs

Do you actually gain any non-political power as Elden Lord? You mend the Elden Ring, but Marika's body is still the conduit for it, and you're not an Empyrean who can replace her.

There's also the way they mistranslated the Shadows twice.
From Iji
>English: Blaidd is Lady Ranni's stepbrother.
>Japanese: ブライヴは、ラニ様の義弟なのです

Maliketh Helm
>English: Queen Marika's loyal half-brother
>Japanese: 女王マリカの忠実な義弟

Both use 義弟 and the translation of 義弟 is neither stepbrother or half-brother from what online translators are telling me. Most return "younger brother-in-law" but I'm sure there's some other casual translation that's meant here.

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>t-trust the plan bros, 2 weeks and Miquella will win
Stop with the cope. Both you and I know that Miquella will just be another roll -> attack -> roll -> roll -> attack boss that we will kill and then make fancy spell or weapon from his remembrance. You're worse than the autists who think that we'll get more Melina/Lord of Frenzied Flame stuff in the DLC.

That's like saying Keanu Reeves participated in writing CP2077

Great, now every thread will descend into fishing for what some kanji really means.

>mistranslate the shadows twice
>both blaidd and Malekith die
It’s obviously an intentional Sekiro reference.

makes sense, there's an item description that says the Elden Tree was fully blossomed for a small time

Dont you become her consort? And you've basically by that point become powerful enough to bitch slap her into submission to forcefully marry her, so I'm sure youre basically pulling the strings

she kicked my fucking ass

/r/equesting someone to check whether Torrent's "Spirit Steed" title has a connection to the "Ancestral Spirit" bosses

what do the crucible incantations say then?

George writes a world and character description in English. Intern retards poorly translate this to Japanese. Game script written in Japanese so different incompetent interns translate it to English.

It’s the logical conclusion. But some people might actually learn something from this.

What is Marika still alive in the Elden Lord endings? Do we actually revive her after we fix the Ring?

It means brother-in-law it's pretty much the same thing

no, don't listen to the golden order schizos

Melina seems to be an offshoot of Marika, birthed or expelled with a certain purpose. In the same way that Malenia birthed or expelled an offshot in Millicent (which represents the dignity she had to throw away so she could beat Radahn). Millicent herself feels kinship with Malenia, but she doesn't know exactly how, and includes thinking of herself as daughter or offshoot. She also wants to return to her. From the Boc questline, and Melina's curiosity and even naivety about the sentiment of Boc's biological mom, it seems evident that Melina wasn't birthed in a normal way. She seems to have been offshooted by Marika at an early stage. As her 'daughter', Melina would grow to be educated in the Erdtree, learning the Numen ('Black Knife') fighting style but she'd come to observe the Lands Between and have her own experiences, at some point getting to know well the Flame of Frenzy and the old Cult of the Dead. If she was birthed to be a form of kindling maiden, groomed for the cardinal sin, and that power doesn't come from the Erdtree, then it stems to reason that at some point she had to journey in the Lands Between so she could learn how to use and manipulate the Flames needed to fulfill her purpose. Now there are many types of Flames (The Ghostflame leading to the Black Flame, the Fell God Flame from the Giants, the Frenzy Flame), ALL of them if you care to notice, she bears some type of knowledge and connection with in-game.

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exactly

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That didn't work out so well for Godfrey or Radagon.

It's kind of questionable whether she's "alive", but at the very least her body starts glowing and doesn't crumble unlike in the Ranni and Frenzy endings, where she's dead beyond a doubt.
Since you repair the ER in those endings and she's connected to it, it seems feasible that she'd be fixed eventually.

>Set out to destroy her enemies
>Enemies: Destroyed
Yes

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very difficult to achieve in practice, but imo unobjectionable in theory

hell, i mean, with fromsoft lore being as vague as it is, I wouldn't mind if it led to totally different conclusions as long as those conclusions were equally interesting and coherent. in the end it's window dressing for a video game, not a legal document or religious text where specific authorial intent is relevant in itself.

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Yeah well I killed them both so

>Go ask an actual Japanese person what they think
here you go soruccam.blogspot.com/2022/03/elden-ring_29.html

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What do you ESL faggots think primordial means? Its a different tree that came before the Erdtree

Is there an online database for these or do we have to go in game for them?

Fracture ending the the cannon ending. Elden Ring 2 is a space Mecha game where you fight the retaliatory waves of Elenbeast aliens

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>Godfrey
Led the chaddest life ever

>the ring is the beast
Looking for facts that back this up, because the Elden Stars phrasing can be interpreted differently (ie what is the antecedent of "which").
>the only reason you fight it because it's the last ditch effort of the ring trying to defend itself from you
That only makes sense if you're trying to break the ring, don't you think? Most of the endings have you repairing the ring with a mending rune.
>if that's actually what the greater will wants is questionable considering that you still receive the guidance of grace all the way up to the fire so whatever is guiding you want you to burn the tree
If you talk to Melina at the churches, she tells us that Marika took grace from the Tarnished in the first place, and said she'd give it back later. This suggests she's the one giving us guidance throughout the game.

>the entire game is about you trying to marry a crazy bitch that already went through two divorces
>in order to get to her you have to kill both of her exes
>she was in love with herself
>when you find her she's all busted

I'll go with the frenzied flame.

why did marika

AC bros we're going back

I suppose stepbrother honestly does make more sense than "brother-in-law" here honestly even if the translation's not direct.

Like, Blaidd being Ranni's brother-in-law doesn't make sense by our usual standards. Him being a stepbrother to her, however, does.

But enough about Scott Pilgrim

>set out to conquer the capital
>failed
>set out to conquer caelid
>failed and caelid is not an uninhabitable shithole
>set out to kill radhan and take his great rune
>fails and gets beaten into a bloody pulp, army destroyed, has to literally be carried home across an entire continent, only survives by what the game acknowledges is either a miracle or absurd luck
>sets out to protect miquella and get him a place on the throne
>he's now being imprisoned and buttraped by his psycho relative
>try to be iconic by being put in all the marketing material
>optional boss played by a black woman and never considered best girl

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Different user, but cheers for the link. Is that the same guy that did the Ranni stuff?

義弟 is younger step brother or brother in law.
The way East Asians use familial terms isn't always literal, blood related family. Any old jap lady is baa-chan and any older Korean girl is an eonni or noona, etc, etc.
Nothing wrong with the translation.

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>Looking for facts that back this up, because the Elden Stars phrasing can be interpreted differently (ie what is the antecedent of "which").
during radagon fight you can see the runes inside him/her
runes = elden ring = elden beast

isn't that the question of the day?

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You know, I've been reading the Mistborn trilogy lately, and I'm beginning to appreciate ER's story and lore a lot more (yes I just watched Vaati too)
I'm kinda hoping something comes out of that thing about the author being interested in working with From
But man
Fromsoft really doesn't know how to tell their stories, their mysticism is often too much and the need to have everything being grim and depressing takes a lot from the games, I feel
Having all of the games set at the end of the world-ish, after some cataclysmic event or something like that, it gets tiring, I feel like there's many more interesting stages of the overarching stories that could be portrayed on the games that could make very compelling and interesting games and settings

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Continued:

Ultimately, Melina's journeys made her intimately knowledgeable about the nature of each of these flames. This is why she directs us to use the more appropriate Flame of the Giants to commit the cardinal sin through her sacrifice, and why she always so deeply warns us about the Flame of Frenzy (ultimately loathing our becoming of the Lord of Frenzy Flames and swearing to deliver unto us destined death) and why she not only knows a good deal of the old destined death, but seemingly also harbors its old power (the Gloam Eye though she's not the Gloam Eyed Queen but seemingly wielding a similar power).

So much like Millicent, despite being birthed or expelled with a certain will or purpose, Melina would grow into her own character and follow her own will and designs. She seems to have done ultimately her mother's will with her sacrifice (burning the Erdtree and ending an Age fits the plotline of Marika's rebellion against the Greater Will), but not just because it was her mother's will, but her own experiences and judgement have made it her own will as well, and so she chose to use her life as such.

But yeah, I think there's some plant biology going on with things, particularly the Gods and some demigods, specially the ones more directly related to Godhood like Malenia and Miquella. Miquella connects himself with the Haligtree and there is early concept art of Marika being directly connected with the Erdtree (pic related). Malenia Blooms and offshoots. They are able to do that because they are of the same godly matter as Marika and follow much of the same principles as very similar beings.

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>vaati video will now enable people who haven't played the game or read a single ontem description to come here "discuss" the lore
It's over

Elden Ring is literally a dating sim

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My take on it is that Marika "projected" Radagon and that projection became an independent entity.
She did the same with Melina. Just created her out of thin air based on her own template and used her for a purpose.
If Melina lingered around more she'd become an independent entity but sharing Marika's power.

Both Melina and Radagon are tulpas. Marika simply willed them into existence.

forgot to mention
>literally selling your soul and your dignity to an outer god to save your ass, almost dooming the fucking planet with nightmarish disease

the english translation for those is correct, the primordial erdtree's "vital energy" is just one of the various aspects of the crucible of life

i.e. the crucible came before the erdtree

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gimme a tldw of vaati's video

Undefeated btw

Don't reply to any of the Trolls that claim translation issues are suddenly important. Its just the latest step in their anti-Ranni faggotry, but they forgot that bringing translations back to the table means that Ranni's ending is objectively the best result.

ur mom gay and u 2

I banged ur waifu's corpse after killing her

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holy fuck this vaati guy is pretty good

Marika poisoned our water supply, burned our crops and delivered a plague unto the Lands Between!

Just checked and the Japanese, at least in the DeepL translation, is just as vague about it.
It still isn't clear if the last line is talking about the BEAST becoming the Elden Ring or the star/"golden meteor" becoming it.

I'm still on the camp of the star being the ring while the Beast is just a vassal meant to keep it doing what the GW wants.

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> he's not sexist
You didn't beat the game.

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my waifu ranni but malenia never known defeat

she only blooms at 0 hp, she's bloomed 3 times.
Do the math

'ate Godwyn
'ate fingers
'ate the greater will

luv me moon
luv me tarnished
simple as

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>Headcanon
>Headcanon
>Headcanon
>Headcanon
>Headcanon
w-woah

>I'm still on the camp of the star being the ring while the Beast is just a vassal meant to keep it doing what the GW wants.
would make sense because we mend marika/radagon's body not the elden beast, like i guess the elden beast was just the ring's bodyguard/vessel

Yes brother she will be reborn soon

I really wish the fat man would've gone all out with his assorted names for one person and fake history just so lorefaggots ate shit hard

the flame incantations imply prophets were locked away for prophesying the tree would burn. goldmask concludes that the tree needs to burn. idk, in my mind it's pretty obvious the GW wanted the tree to burn unless anti-GW people really want us to think GW didn't have some hidden plan

Just out of curiosity why does it make a difference either way?

Is Morgott the grace-given the best demigod?

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Good, then I can defeat her again, maybe in the same way.

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Ranni-Blaidd
Hoarah-Serosh
Marika-Maliketh
Elden Ring-Elden Beast

idk he's certainly stronger than Radahn though

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Yes he’s canonically the strongest

>Radagon was in there trying to repair the ring the entire time and put his seal on the door to the tree.
Marika sealed the door, Radagon is loyal to the GW and they want someone to become Elden lord, Marika wants to end the current order so she forces whoever wants to be lord to burn the tree, Radagon attacked you because you burned the tree

I don't get how many people are confused by what "primordial crucible" means. When you heard your high school biology teacher talk about the "primordial soup", were you picturing a literal bowl of soup?

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someone wasn't paying attention

Dunno but he's such a pushover in his boss fight was kinda disappointing

Why is Marika depicted as crucified in all her statues? Are they all post-shattering works, depicting her punishment for shattering the ring, or was she always depicted like that?

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You find accomplishment in fighting her (never known defeat btw) because she is an extraordinary challenge

I can't fucking believe Vaati repeated the theory that Marika killed Godwyn
Normies will eat this shit up like flies, unbelievable. To the user who made up that theory and spammed it and made Vaati copy it: based, but kill yourself right now

Yeah, you.
lmao.

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What you retards and Rannifags need to realize about these supposed "mistranslations" is that Elden Ring is an English language game first and foremost. All foreign language versions of the game still use the English voice overs. The Japanese version isn't "more canon" than the English version, if anything, it's less.

Vatti absolutely seething.

The big finale of the game is us slaying the Elden Beast, then we mend the Ring.
If the Elden Beast was the Elden Ring, this doesn't really make sense as we'd just be fixing it.

If they're separate, then it makes more sense as slaying the Beast just means we sever the GW's hold on the Ring, then claim it for our own ending.

he did with the Outer Gods, probably there's like two, maybe zero

Radagon’s symbol is on the door of the tree user

no you lol

The GW can not be reached and communicated with at all unless you want to wait who knows how long, if it even responds.

Marika, who has been controlling "grace" is leading you around to have you do tasks to
a) free her
b) display power
c) fuck up the golden beast
She wants to have power, but not be a servant to some distant god. That's also why her goals coincide with Ranni's and why the collaborated.

Radagon, on the other hand, is the one that placed the seal on the door to the Erdtree and is the one that's protecting it. He's the one that does not want the tree to burn

Name a reason why Ranni would kill Godwyn that isn't a reason Marika would kill Godwyn

To cast off her empyrean flesh
To spite the Golden Order

nah, it's basically saying "marika sent X with a Y. It became elden ring".
The "with" thing is secondary. in this case Y is the meteor

You literally have it in reverse.

>Drives flame emboldened pillagers from the capital
>Defeats invaders
>Great boss fight
I dunno, but I like Morgott a lot. Cool backstory, fun fight. Some of his attacks are a little too delayed for my liking, but he's mostly fun. That cunt Margit though, he can fuck right off. Terrible fight.

Let the Elden Beast grab you and you will see the resemblance :)

Crucible Tree Helm
Holds the power of the crucible of life, the primordial form of the Erdtree. Strengthens Aspects of the Crucible incantations.

The primordial form of the Erdtree could be interpreted in a number of ways.
It's something that naturally develops into the Erdtree
It's something that was deliberately altered into the Erdtree

I don't think this is so much a translation issue as much as it's an ambiguity one.

Several other items describe the Erdtree as drawing power from the Crucible's vital energies, which implies at least some sort of symbiotic/connected relationship:

Pretty sure she was just always depicted like that.
It's not specifically crucifiction, as she's not actually stuck on anything. It's more that she has her hands out in a pose similar to that of the Erdtree most likely.

There's the painting in the Roundtable Hold next to Fia's bed which depicts the same Marika pose with the Erdtree painted behind her as if they're meant to be taking the same shape.

>>set out to conquer the capital
This never happened
>>set out to conquer caelid
Again, never happened, she went past the capitol, through Godrick which she defeated and towards Caelid for one of two reasons. A. She believed Miquella to be taken by him or B. She knew Mohg took him, (which makes sense given that Mohgs Palace is located under Caelid) and wanted to go through Caelid to get him back.
>>set out to kill radhan and take his great rune
This never happened, she didn't take Godrick's so Runes were clearly never her motive
>>fails and gets beaten into a bloody pulp,
This never happened
>>has to literally be carried home across an entire continent
As opposed to being turned into a literal retard, that's a good trade
>>optional boss played by a black woman and never considered best girl
You sound particularly mad about a fictional girl

Did you miss the entire point of the simultaneous kills

Ranni needed to split the cursemark of death to only kill her body you absolute fucking retard it is ALL explained in her quest. "I DID IT ALL".
Marika has NO REASON and I repeat NO REASON to kill her favourite son, the golden one, beloved even by the dragons. Kill yourself ranni apologists faggot

Don't argue with redditors, stop.

Did Morgott or Mogh care about each other at all? Morgott doesn't even mention Mogh during his cutscene about the traitors and Mogh is just obsessed with Miquella

But Radagon is Marika

false

Probably the original one.

They have different motivations and goals user

>I can't fucking believe Vaati repeated the theory that Marika killed Godwyn
Ah fucking hell, really now? Hate how these dumb e-celebs get a say in the discussion without actually joining them.

But we already know that the Elden Ring is malleable, and we already know newly created runes can be used to mend it and make it something new, so whichever side of the fence you fall on the beast is not a necessary part of the equation anyway. To try and explain that better, if you can take runes away from it and if you can add new runes to it and it remains the same thing, then why is the beast necessary at all?

Beast is kill by the way, otherwise all the lore we have on Destined Death is lies.

Wrong answer, lorelet.
What did the Golden Order need Ranni to have her empyrean flesh for? To replace Marika
Marika didn't want to be replaced
Ranni didn't want to replace her
They had the same reason to kill a demigod

To me it's pretty clear you're always fighting Radagon. The beast became the ring, and you mend the ring in the end. Plus it has a scar on the same place Marika/Radagon had. IMO Radagon is personification of the Golden Order manifested through the power of the Elden Ring, that's why you fight "Radagon of the Golden Order" and not "Elden Lord Radagon." That beast is Radagon's true form based on the real Elden Beast. Marika is guiding the tarnished not the Greater Will. She created the Roundtable Hold and chained Hewg there so one day someone could kill Radagon, end the Golden Order, and kill her.

well, the erdtree is alive. so obviously it came from the crucible and has some of its power

We don't even know enough about Marika's personality and motivations to say if she wanted power, the only thing we can be absolutely certain of is that she wanted to get rid of the Greater Will's influence.

These threads are just headcanons vs headcanons, literally no worthwhile discussion.

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MOHGGED

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>marika
I KNEW IT

Her pose is intentionally reminiscent of the top rune of the Elden Ring

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Of course Marika wanted to be replaced, just with something other than the Greater Will in charge

That's not Radahn, omentrannies.