This clearly didn't actually happen, right? Like where is this even supposed to take place?

How many people died because of this?

They cut like 20(?) minutes of cutscenes and codec calls because of muh 9/11.

Well yeh, rays are "weak" but not weak enough for one guy to solo 30 of them at once.

>In the current, digitized world, trivial information is accumulating every second, preserved in all its triteness. Never fading, always accessible. Rumors about petty issues, misinterpretations, slander. All this junk data preserved in an unfiltered state, growing at an alarming rate. It will only slow down social progress, reduce the rate of evolution. The digital society furthers human flaws, and selectively rewards development of convenient half-truths.
>Everyone withdraws into their own small gated community, afraid of a larger forum. They stay inside their little ponds, leaking whatever "truth" suits them into the growing cesspool of society at large. The different cardinal truths neither clash nor mesh. No one is invalidated, but nobody is right. Not even natural selection can take place here. The world is being engulfed in "truth." And this is the way the world ends. Not with a bang, but a whimper.
What did they mean by this?

La creatividad

No, it's completely canon.

>people casually walking around in the streets going to work
i wonder if they changed that cutscene to make it more surreal, or if that was the original npc behavior and kojima just didn't care

It was VR until MGS4 retconned it.

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Did Raiden canonically get gud enough with the HF blade in the twenty minutes of running up and down a tube smacking Snake around that he was able to deflect Tengu and RAY bullets? Because the rest of the details of that fight are honestly much less impressive. They don't even try to aim their water cutters.

>Over the past two hundred years -- A kind of consciousness formed layer by layer in the crucible of the White House. It's not unlike the way life started in the oceans four billion years ago. The White House was our primordial soup, a base of evolution

Which YTP did I hear this monologue in? I know it was in one of them but I have no idea which. I didn't know it was from MGS2 at the time.

Life goes on

Maybe the virus was making them act retarded?

I thought the implication was Jack was already familiar enough with a blade during his time as a child soldier.

If old snake could beat vamp and vamp basically tie with raiden, does that mean snake could beat raiden?

Also all the flags got removed from Federal Hall so when Raiden does that dramatic cut with the birds flying off he just looks like an autist without the flag he cut down to land on Solidus.

That was retconned in MGS4 wasn't it?

People didn't start running till the first tower collapsed.

Is this real or photoshop?

MGS 4 means everything that happenee in MGS 2 is canon.

i would hire this man

I'm pretty sure nothing is canon at this point since the series is dead lmao

dude's gotta make his deliveries so he can go home on time, no point in being distracted

>where
In the Arsenal, it's gigantic. Yeah all of this does happen

Why is Ray such a jobber? In MGS2 you have to take on like a dozen Rays at once as they surround you and threaten you with a gangbang. Raiden isn't some supersoldier cyborg terminator by that point, right? He's just a somewhat normal dude with some VR training. In MGS4 Ray can't take out a half-decomissioned Rex that's been left to rot in a hangar for the better part of a decade and has to be jumpstarted to even get up. Maybe I got my story mixed up but wasn't Ray made as an anti-MG weapon specifically designed to take something like Rex out? It should have every advantage but at best it sorta mutually destroys the thing it's fighting, and at worst it throws everything and the kitchen sink at the problem and still manages to get utterly humiliated.

It was supposed to be in VR but then Kojima retconned everything in MGS4 so fuck knows

Yeah Ray sucks. The canon explanation is that they're cheap mass produced metal gears that are better than tanks but worse than other gears. If you want a fancier headcanon explanation you can say it's a commentary on the military industrial complex to hype up a new piece of technology as the everything god killer when in reality it's a piece of shit that cost taxpayers trillions.

The rays were infected with computer aids

imagine kojima off the rails without Tomokazu Fukushima, without any restrictions on what he could have made for content, completely and totally without check or balance and no voice of reason, no legal obligation and unlimited resources, i guarantee that we will never see anyone let any developer do that man it sucks

metal gear ray is the sexiest metal gear, followed only by the gekkos
metal gear rex is for respect and admiration, not being a cumpdumpster whore

the rays are just the MGS equivalent of mass produced EVAs, they exist to be jobbed out by the more memorable gears

those are all the rejected copies with autism

MGS4 was the first Metal Gear game without Fukushima and it was terrible
Kojima's a hack

that's the diminishing returns of mass production, user

oh yea, the bit where he slices with his sword and Solidus dies?

"the point of mgs2 is that it's a video game and you experienced it and it meant something now go outside and have sex" -hideo kojima

The ambiguity if what reality is at the end is the whole point, you dingus.
You don't know. That's the point. It doesn't matter. Reality doesn't matter, what matters is your ideas and beliefs and how you pass them on to future generations.
Didn't you listen to pliskin?

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No it wasn't. The S3 plan's purpose was to see if they could manipulate real events to get their desired outcome, having the whole thing in VR where you control all the variables defeats the purpose.

No, it's a huge plot point that as soon as Raiden gets to Arsenal Gear shit gets freaky and everything afterwards *could* or *could not* have happened, and that's besides the point; Snake himself spells it out for you. What's important is not if it was real, but rather what you take away from it. MGS4 takes the literal route on how everything happened like we saw it because Kojimbo didn't give a shit at that point which is how you get things like Rose looking the same even when she admits at the end of 2 her appearance is fake (and originally she was supposed to appear with short blonde hair at the very end to show it) or how Raiden never ever worked with the real Campbell but MGS4 declares he did.
TLDR don't think of MGS4 when talking about MGS2, also whatever interpretation of 2's last couple hours you have are as valid as anyone else's because that was La Creatividad's point. Information. Memories. Memes

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No, it was actually the solid snake simulation.
The attempt at creating a soldier like solid snake by recreating shadow moses

The entire sequence aboard Arsenal Gear is 10/10 atmospheric kino. Best game ever made

>the rays are just the MGS equivalent of mass produced EVAs
Bro? Those mass-produced EVAs are terrifying. They don't need umbilical cords, they never run out of power, they operate autonomously, they regenerate battle damage effortlessly... Ray can't do any of this shit, Ray's only power is to flounder around and lose. It's had multiple chances and it embarrassed itself every single time.

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>solid snake simulation
Selection for Societal Sanity. Way to go champ

He pretty much had that with MGS4 and especially 5, and exactly what you'd expect happened. He was overly ambitious, wasted a lot of time trying to get shit to work that was beyond the tech at the time and had to be scrapped, changed his mind constantly and cut out finished shit, etc until finally after 5+ years someone told him to release the fucking thing already and the finished product ended up being cobbled together at the last second and pushed out.

If kojima truly had an infinite budget and time a game would simply never be released, with multiple games worth of content left on the cutting room floor.

>gekkos
did you masturbate to this too?

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>ignoring main quest to do side objectives

The combat AI on the RAYs was crippled by EE's virus so they weren't fighting to their full capacity. That's how Raiden could win. Were it otherwise, he would've been rekt.

Yes, actually. I also masturbated to this.

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>Believing ai colonel
Cringe

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I want to lick it's round hole

Given that hard drive storage was expensive as fuck back then, it's entirely possible that original assets for the canceled ending have been deleted from existence, after all, Konami was incompetent enough to permanently misplace the source code for the Xbox port of Silent Hill 2.

Do not ask questions. Just pray game.

>not believing that absolute high point of writing in that game
They really needed to take an axe to most of MGS2's dialogue. But that ending sequence manages to justify how wordy it is

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So Solidus is not dead?

masspro evas were pretty effective at stretching asuka's asshole end to end the very first time they were deployed too, raiden has to fight similar numbers and he doesnt even have a giant robot to hide behind, doesn't matter ray still gets annihilated

He had infinite missiles. Everything gets fucked up by missiles.

You guys are making me sad, you're such downers sheesh

fuck, that sounds kino
that's something the remaster should have added back in