Any logical reason why piracy is not a stealing?

Stealing a thing means original owner no longer has a thing.
Making a perfect copy of the thing means original owner still has the thing.
>b-b-but what about money? Imagine if all people that downloaded the game with torrents were forced to pay for the game, so much money!
No. People either download or not consuming at all. You don't own their money before they gave it to you.

Because I've never been chased by a wagie over a pirated product.

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The physics aren't the same. It's that simple.

Can't steal something you never intended to buy it in the first place.

>is not a stealing
SIR

because you make a copy

Stealing deprived someone of something, if i photocopy a book and give it to my friend, that's not theft, it's copyright infringement, sure, but equating that with theft is fucking retarded, it's not like i'm not a buyfag, i still grab games because i'm insanely lazy and managing folders for games is boring.

They don't even sell games for pc anymore, its all just licenses they can revoke from you for whatever reason so you couldn't own anything even if you wanted to. Theres no logical reason to pay for a single pc game besides being charitable and to play some specific shit online.

sirs do not redeem the pirated contents, kindly do the needful

What a fucking sucker.

It is stealing but I don't give a shit

"Definition of steal
intransitive verb

1: to take the property of another wrongfully and especially as a habitual or regular practice
2: to come or go secretly, unobtrusively, gradually, or unexpectedly
3: to steal or attempt to steal a base"

You don't deprave the original owner of their property so it's not a theft.

No it's not stealing in the literal sense of the word, unless you actually steal a retail copy. It is definitely immoral as you are enjoying yourself with the fruits of someone else's work without any compensation. If you'd hire a math tutor and he helps you get an A and you don't pay him then you didn't steal anything, you're an asshole and did something illegal still but it wasn't theft

Who gives a shit.
Just pirate if you want to pirate
And don't pirate if you don't want to pirate.
No other pirates in any other entertainment industry twist themselves into a pretzel as much as those in vidya.

It's stealing and i like it

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Insert 60$ faggot nazi rapist killer enslaver

1. Semantics. It's making a copy of the product, not taking it from anyone.
2. Just because a person pirated a product doesn't mean that person would buy the product if there was not a pirate copy of it available.
3. Just because a person pirated a product doesn't mean they won't buy it later. Some people treat piracy like a trial version, a "try before buy" king of mentality to make sure the product is actually worth their money. For these people, piracy could have been prevented with a trial version of the game.
4. Some people pirate because ironically the anti-piracy software that comes with the product makes the pirated version of the game better than the official version.
5. Some people pirate because the product they want is exclusive to a platform they do not want.

Piracy is only stealing if it results in the loss of a potential sale. If I wasn't going to buy a game anyway, the devs lose nothing if I pirate it.

legal in Russia and Russia is based. Illegal in vucked trannie countries i rest my case

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You forgot one of the most important one
>Some people pirate because they disagree with the dev's political stance.

Not sure what you mean by honeytrap. I'm still using it every now and then. It's full of suspicious popups and fake torrents but as long as you have common sense you won't get a virus.

any logical reason why OP is not a faggot?

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>Digital games are just licenses to play those games which companies can and will take away from you
If this is the case, downloading a game for free and not playing it is totally within reason right? What makes piracy bad again?

Because nothing is being stolen.

is it stealing if you don't buy the game?

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Flipping bits is not transport of matter.

1337x.to

They literally refuse to sell games in Russia, thus it's not stealing there.

>Not sure what you mean by honeytrap
Website is run by feds to collect metadata of users and prosecute those that download a shit ton.

piracy only hurts indies, multi millionare companies however, you are morally obligated to pirate if u want to save the gaming industry, look at nintendo for example

yes you need to support those jews söyfags and trannies, bigot

piracy is theft
games are not physical media anymore so you're stealing the software

It is.
I still pirate games regardless.

if so then screenshotting an nft is stealing

I wish it was so I could damage those companies by pirating but unfortunately it's not

Piracy aids indies actually. You think word of mouth counts for nothing?

it's legal to pirate even lel

You dunderheads really think like this.
If a thing is hard to produce but the final product is easy to make perfect copies of then it IS stealing to make those copies.
YOU can't make video games or music or movies or novels so you wait like a vulture for other people to make those things for you so can go and copy them and never pay a dime. Thousands of hours people worked on all of it only for it to be consumed by people like you who don't care at all and don't think creators should get to sell their own stuff. You'll whine "oooh they can sell but im poorfag im not gonna buy anyway lol other people will buy anyway" but then go on threads and bitch about denuvo and drm like you're the one being robbed because you can't get something for free.

Piratefags are fucking parasites. I can't wait until encryption is so locked down you homos can't even boot up NES roms anymore.

The product isn't lost or removed from the marketplace it's sold
Proven again and again and again and again that internet piracy does not affect sales of any product whatsoever.
Also proven that piracy is a response to service issue, if you aren't making sale on the internet it's because your product isn't appealing for sale, not because someone is pirating it

It is stealing, but I don't give a shit.

Digital media has no value. If something can be infinitely duplicated it can't be worth anything.

THE OWNER STILL HAS IT!

you will never be a real woman

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It's not stealing because theft requires the physical loss of something. It's copying, which is why it is called COPYright infringement. The original creators have a monopoly dictated by the government on other people's ability to copy something, which is pretty close to the forms of theft where you find yourself unable to use your property (there's a legal term for this that you can look up).

no its not you are still a slave in your mind

Piracy is the only way to own something in current digital era
You literally don't own anything digital you buy, you rent the license in the best case and in the normal case you are coerced into "buying" a service you don't own and you that you will be kept paying for it.

Stealing: Dispossessing someone of his property.
Piracy: Accessing content you haven't acquired the appropriate licenses for.

The only way to stop piracy is to stop treating your customers like shit.
Instead devs and pubs have largely opted to treat them even worse.
No, I don't want that DRM-prong up my ass, EA/Ubi/Acti/... . My vidya expenses have reached a record low as a result.
More power to GOG. About 10 years back I would have included Humble here, but they have jumped the shark hard.

I've never been chased by a wagie over a shoplifted product. Piracy is just low skilled shoplifting

I'd steal a physical copy to if I felt so inclined. So long as I'm not stealing from an individual I'll take from any company whenever and where ever possible. If I enjoyed my experience I'll pick up a copy on sale if I wish to support the developer.
>pic not related, it just makes my cock hard.

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I am sharing the ideas from my head to you right now, by posting.
Is this stealing?

Ok now I’m going to share the ideas contained within these other user’s posts,
Is this theft?

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If anyone sold me a license instead of physical product I would just steal the product instead. The moment you give in to the jew they will take everything and give nothing in return.

I don't think that's true.

I didn't steal from you, you just did labor for me for free. Literal jew boomer logic btw

What are you stealing exactly? You're basically just clicking paste from someone's copy, mean it's even in the name "copy" a digital clone of the source, you're just dumb enough to pay for someone else to hit paste for you

>>pic not related, it just makes my cock hard
You will never be a real woman. You have no womb, you have no ovaries, you have no eggs. You are a homosexual man twisted by drugs and surgery into a crude mockery of nature’s perfection.

All the “validation” you get is two-faced and half-hearted. Behind your back people mock you. Your parents are disgusted and ashamed of you, your “friends” laugh at your ghoulish appearance behind closed doors.

Men are utterly repulsed by you. Thousands of years of evolution have allowed men to sniff out frauds with incredible efficiency. Even trannies who “pass” look uncanny and unnatural to a man. Your bone structure is a dead giveaway. And even if you manage to get a drunk guy home with you, he’ll turn tail and bolt the second he gets a whiff of your diseased, infected axe wound.

You will never be happy. You wrench out a fake smile every single morning and tell yourself it’s going to be ok, but deep inside you feel the depression creeping up like a weed, ready to crush you under the unbearable weight.

Eventually it’ll be too much to bear - you’ll buy a rope, tie a noose, put it around your neck, and plunge into the cold abyss. Your parents will find you, heartbroken but relieved that they no longer have to live with the unbearable shame and disappointment. They’ll bury you with a headstone marked with your birth name, and every passerby for the rest of eternity will know a man is buried there. Your body will decay and go back to the dust, and all that will remain of your legacy is a skeleton that is unmistakably male.

This is your fate. This is what you chose. There is no turning back.

Steal is a transitive verb, you clown.
Don't include shit like that if you don't know what it means

I consider it stealing, but I also don't give a fuck. Live life on my own terms.

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You will never be a real woman. You have no womb, you have no ovaries, you have no eggs. You are a homosexual man twisted by drugs and surgery into a crude mockery of nature’s perfection.

All the “validation” you get is two-faced and half-hearted. Behind your back people mock you. Your parents are disgusted and ashamed of you, your “friends” laugh at your ghoulish appearance behind closed doors.

Men are utterly repulsed by you. Thousands of years of evolution have allowed men to sniff out frauds with incredible efficiency. Even trannies who “pass” look uncanny and unnatural to a man. Your bone structure is a dead giveaway. And even if you manage to get a drunk guy home with you, he’ll turn tail and bolt the second he gets a whiff of your diseased, infected axe wound.

You will never be happy. You wrench out a fake smile every single morning and tell yourself it’s going to be ok, but deep inside you feel the depression creeping up like a weed, ready to crush you under the unbearable weight.

Eventually it’ll be too much to bear - you’ll buy a rope, tie a noose, put it around your neck, and plunge into the cold abyss. Your parents will find you, heartbroken but relieved that they no longer have to live with the unbearable shame and disappointment. They’ll bury you with a headstone marked with your birth name, and every passerby for the rest of eternity will know a man is buried there. Your body will decay and go back to the dust, and all that will remain of your legacy is a skeleton that is unmistakably male.

This is your fate. This is what you chose. There is no turning back.

Stealing, not stealing...who cares? I don't have to justify it nor do I feel the need to. I want games for free. Suck my ass.

I don't get it. I have no plans on becoming a tranny of 'real' woman. I just want to fuck lesser males that I deem female as an insult. If I took the tranny pill I'd end up one of those freaks with the alpha male jawline. Plus my hang ups are on an addiction to furry porn and I personally find futa the worst thing imaginable.

Imagine the early USA or colonies interacting with the injuns and which would be preferable: White man takes land, red man lose land or white man creates land and red man loses none. Only a nose man would see theft and loss in a sale that was never made or was never going to be made.

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>You think word of mouth counts for nothing?
Yea Forums blowing a gasket over everything in every indie game might as well.

even if it was, who cares? laws only matter if they're enforced

Jesus pirated bread and fish therefor its ok

So piratefags what does your ideal digital world look like?
Do you think there should be no copyright laws at all and once something is released it's fair game for anyone to copy? Where would you draw the line? Do you think there is a such thing as the capitalist concept of "intellectual property" or do you think ideas and creative works belong to everyone and no one?

You robbed him of his time.

Why are you playing games you consider shitty, anyway?
Just say you want free shit and it's fine user, I like free shit too

You will never be a real woman. You have no womb, you have no ovaries, you have no eggs. You are a homosexual man twisted by drugs and surgery into a crude mockery of nature’s perfection.

All the “validation” you get is two-faced and half-hearted. Behind your back people mock you. Your parents are disgusted and ashamed of you, your “friends” laugh at your ghoulish appearance behind closed doors.

Men are utterly repulsed by you. Thousands of years of evolution have allowed men to sniff out frauds with incredible efficiency. Even trannies who “pass” look uncanny and unnatural to a man. Your bone structure is a dead giveaway. And even if you manage to get a drunk guy home with you, he’ll turn tail and bolt the second he gets a whiff of your diseased, infected axe wound.

You will never be happy. You wrench out a fake smile every single morning and tell yourself it’s going to be ok, but deep inside you feel the depression creeping up like a weed, ready to crush you under the unbearable weight.

Eventually it’ll be too much to bear - you’ll buy a rope, tie a noose, put it around your neck, and plunge into the cold abyss. Your parents will find you, heartbroken but relieved that they no longer have to live with the unbearable shame and disappointment. They’ll bury you with a headstone marked with your birth name, and every passerby for the rest of eternity will know a man is buried there. Your body will decay and go back to the dust, and all that will remain of your legacy is a skeleton that is unmistakably male.

This is your fate. This is what you chose. There is no turning back.

NO! I need the laws so I can live out my 1990's cyberpunk fantasies. Fuck off. There is no ideal world.

All entertainment is free, IP laws are abolished, devs only ever make games out of passion instead of money. It'd be heaven, but as usual, the jews have irreparably tainted everything.

It's not stealing because you're making a copy of something rather than taking something from someone without consent. It's an entirely different issue with it's own ethics. Examples are - does one download equal to one missed sale and is it morally okay to do this given the time and effort the creator of this thing you're downloading may now go without compensation? Wrong question.

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How do I download?

People will pay for their entertainment if they feel compelled to (or are tech retarded enough to be scared of viruses, getting caught, etc) and pirate it if they don't, or don't have any money.
The laws in place do little to nothing to change this, so my ideal digital world is the way things are now.

>devs only ever make games out of passion instead of money
Here's your eternity of rpg maker games, sir.