Isshin the Sword Saint or Malenia, blade of Miquella?

Isshin was more hype, but definitely not more difficult.

>sekiro
>harder than anything
Literally only mages and summoniggers think this

I had more trouble with Demon of Hatred than Isshin, but Demon of Hatred is also terribly designed imo. He would fit way better in Dark Souls 3 instead of Sekiro.

>if we dumbed down the boss's moveset it would be easier

>Anyways Sekiro is harder cause there are much less options
wrong, Sekiro is EASIER BECAUSE there are less options. The bosses are designed with parameters that don't fuck you with something you can't handle. Malenia absolutely destroys entire builds.

Sekiro is legit more difficult, fag. You have no options you either parry after parry after parry and keep pressure or you suck balls.
ER has carian glitch, powerstance STR builds with RKR for 5k+ damage jumping attacks, bleed with double seppuku, azur comet with infinite FP and right mage setups, 100% shield immortality with poking behind it, casual shit like RoB or moonveil etc. etc. etc.
Now add summons to this and the game play itself.

>shield user
Opinion discarded, stop cheating ur way through the game

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nice reddit screenshot
why don't you stay there?

>Maliketh has no hp.
That's to balance the fact that he's fucking impossible to hit with how much he moves around.

isshin is better simply because he is more fun to fight, also he is far more likeable than this cunt, only worthless porn addicted niggers will defend her, man sekiro combat is so fucking tight compared to souls it's not even funny such a shame we haven't gotten any dlcs

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I beat Malenia using curved greatswords, and although I would rate Mogh harder than her (strange, I know, but he gave me more trouble) she is easily the "worst" boss fight in the game. Lifestealing on blocking and the waterfowl 100-0 combo are just not very fun, and since the waterfowl is her strongest move, winning the encounter usually revolves around not just getting good (although of course it's an element) but also around her not using the attack a lot (luck)

Isshin is a trash boss only because you have to fight Geinchiro every time you need another try

>shield blocking niggers getting mad
Based Malenia lmao. Stop hiding behind a piece of metal and fight like man.

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>picking on a poor sick naked blind woman who can't see anything and wildly swings at the faintest sound
Just plain uncivilized

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Sekiro is the game built entirely around mechanical skill yet it requires much less of it than the souls games. Your deflection window is an entire 30 frames, to a mid roll's 13. The fact that there is only one way to play doesn't make it harder unless you were cheesing the others.

if you get hit even once by him at that point in the game you're trash

People seriously consider sekiro a well designed game?
There is literally one mechanic in the entire game and that's parry, mixed in with the occasional mikiri or jump. That's it.

You can't play a big ass hammer, or a bow, or magic, or anything but some variant of a weeb sword. And you will parry since doing dmg any other way takes way too long.

I don't care if it's more difficult or not, sekiro is a joke.

Am I the only one who actually really enjoyed fighting Malenia ?

Genichiro dies in two seconds once you get to that point.

Genichiro is a fucking pushover by that point. It's nowhere near as egregious as Radagon in this game

Face: Guardian Ape is the best boss From has ever done.

Sekiro not being more like Dark Souls is not a valid criticism

If fighting Genichiro is a problem for you at that point it just means you failed at learning the game

You kill that dude in literally 10-15 seconds at that point

Nobody beats here with just flies.

>stop cheating your way through the game
Yeah, you should stop using the literal
invincibility button

She's a good fight aside from Waterfowl. Once you learn her moveset it's easy to avoid her lifesteal but you're always on your toes

Which curved greatswords are you using?

>not casually annihilating Job-ichiro every time for a quick ego boost

>trips after dubs
No I enjoyed it a lot too. Finally a cool and tight sword battle.

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>What are prosthetics
>What are combat arts
Factually wrong and retarded.

>beats her sl1 using a shield
Oops!
m.youtube.com/watch?v=k35WGeQJOIw

>lobos
Yikes. But he also beat her using just bow. ER is a kid's game if the hardest boss can be cheesed like that.

>Hardest boss
Double Godskin was way harder IMO

>mandatory final boss that you have few options to clear besides playing the game as intended with the parry/counter mechanic
>optional boss with varying difficulty from lvl 1 wretch with a club challenge to max 99 stats kamehameha mimic/tiche summon

Hard to say really when both game plays so differently. Enjoyed Isshin fight more though cause it's a proper final boss and not a magical space whale.

It's a kid's game when retards like you can do it, but let's be real

I actually liked that part. I died like 40 times when I first fought Genichiro and at the final boss fight he just becomes ''a chore'' to deal with. It made me feel powerful.

Most people just use Ichimonji and either throwing stars or whatever the boss/enemy is weak to, like the spear with the Headless Ape

The amount of absolute fucking seething about Malenia is through the roof. On reddit (yes we are in a reddit thread) when searching for character sliders I was laughing my ass off about retards crying vs Malenia.
Literally half of the posts if not more complaining about bosses is her fight. Several retards say it took them DAYS to put her down.
No wonder people bitch about her here too every day multiple time.
>no you
Ok downie I surrender. Your game is very hard. Satisfied?

>easily staggered
When she feels like it

>if we remove the thing that makes something hard then it becomes easy therefore that thing is easy even with the thing that makes it hard is present
r*dd*t / 10

She's pretty consistent. Her animations for breaking out of the stagger are also long enough for you to react.

She's one of my favorite bosses from the game. Had no big problems with Waterfowl, but what completely fucked me over every single time was the phantom attack in phase 2.

>Radaan re-buffed
Generalissimo bros, we won.

I didn't enjoy any boss since I'm a colossal power stance jump chad, they all died in 5 hits

Isshin or Owl (Father). The hardest boss has to be a Sekiro boss by necessity because there are no real cheese methods in Sekiro. You can cheese even the hardest bosses in Bloodborne, DS3 or Elden Ring to trivialise them. In Sekiro you have to be at least decent at the game to beat it.

Use malcontent plus damage buffs to take away half of his life for free. Not as hard as the aformentioned.

>shitter crying he cant staggerlock or cheese enemies from afar
>thinking that staggerlocking or ranged options are better mechanics

You get 30 for the first one, and it continues to decrease to 7 the more you spam it. If you want to not judge it by the easiest possible method and rather the hardest, you still have to acknowledge charmless demon bell inner father.

>no you
That isn't what I said at all, nor did I say the game is very hard; the fact that different approaches make encounters in an rpg more manageable does not make it an easy game kek retard

She's one of the few memorable bosses Elden Ring even has.

Fume Knight

So what was your build when you beat malenia

The only thing that makes Melania so hard is her healing.

Who cares. This faggot is mid tier boss in Souls game at best. 1 meteor gimmick in 2nd phase and that's it.

So?

her naked tummy makes me hard alright

Most people are retarded. Ichimonji isn't even in the top tier of combat arts.

Moonveil + bloodhound fang level 151, literally took me less than 20 tries

Isshin, because he is a fight designed around actual mechanics and not one meme attack

you can hit him every time he finishes a combo with the explosion, which like 80% of times
you just have to wait for him to step away first

Makes me feel good though

Bird tiddies

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It was double blood infused uchi with double seppuku. I like blood fountains straight out of Tarantino.

Malenia is cringe and Isshin is based, which is the only metric that matters

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Remove laser from midir
Does it makes him easy?

He has a phase 2? I just road around on Torrent constantly summoning, barely noticed any change.

this is truth

>bleed
Good Lord, of all the people who didn't beat the game, you beat it the least

Lol based.

yea and if my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle

Malenia is an atrocious boss, isshin is god tier

ok

Why did fromsoft shove a sekiro boss into elden ring?

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Sounds like someone got filtered. I smell a lot of tries. And inability to adapt. Hehe.

>press a button
>character teleports to an alternate dimension to become completely intangible
>somehow it's not cheating

roll fags need to roll off a cliff already

Why did fromsoft make invasions so shit?

You mean back in DS3?

Remember the rolltard reaction when ds2 at least required a stat investment to make the invincibility button viable