Elden ring lore general

St.Trina is heavily implied to be another "self" of Miquella, like Margit/Morgot, while the body in Mogh place was in a deep slumber.

So we can confirm Mogh participated in ruining the alliance between shardbearers?

>Never set a step outside of her room after the Caelid War
>Never search for Miquella
>Never do something with the Scarlet Rot
>Can only sit around and take a nap in her chamber
Everything point towards Malenia being in a very bad condition.

>this twink is invading YOUR DREAMS and basically you are stupid

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Melina states at one point in Marika's own words that Radagon and Marika were separate beings before joining together

I assume the title of Elden Lord exiszed before the Erdtree and they just appropriated it for their purposes.
I think Elden Beast touched down and slapped whoever was in charge. Pic related would be a previous form of the Elden Ring during the time of dragons.

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It's such a naive ending.
Was the GW cool with war, genocide of different faiths and gods telling you what to do?
Yes
Did it lead to massive progress and prosperity for those on its side?
Also yes,
But war and genocide bad?
Is giving everyone the freedom to war and genocide for any personal reason the solution to the genocide problem?
Ranni is just legalizing all the crime not just the one that leads to growth by not wanting to intervene. It's a childish ending.

So, the first defense of Leyndell was about alliance of shardbearers gang up on Leyndell? Or alliance of shardbearers defense Leyndell, I'm confuding here. All I know is this alliance of shardbearers eventually break because of Mohg, correct?

>used explicitly for things related to lord of blood
so "bloody conspiracy" means definitely Mohg and not the Night of Black Knives?

I'm stuck at Malenia and the final gentlemen (I just greeted Gideon) but I'm curious about the plot and in-game universe.
I'm really curious about with Marika's and Radahn's secret but maybe I should clear the game before looking into it.

But I've got a easy question: what's the deal with the fellows in my picture?

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Either it existed or it was back named by the humans.

Godfrey > Radagon

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Where because even in the bed chamber Melina never talk about Radagon's origin only Radagon is not Marika yet, he is no god, and Marika wanted to shatter the ring asap.

But why Elden Lord if there's no Elden Ring? Not Lord of the Lands Between?

Most likely unless there is new evidence

They are the attackers. I don't think leyndell still stand if the defense force got fucked from within

Night of black knives happened before the shattering war, the sieges of leyndell is part of the shattering war

The dragons predate the humans worshiping the Erdtree and Greater Will and Placidusax was called the "Dragon Lord".

>incompetent translator ruins things once again
Sasuga

>cucked by your wife's male self

Has someone collected all of the sword memorials into one place yet?

Would you though?

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melina is ranni
in game melina is hinted to being daughter of marika
ranni is said to be daughter of radagon
love for torrent(both seeders)

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So, it was Fart bearers vs Morgott and Mohg? What about Godefroy and Godrick?

Godfrey and Radagon is more like it

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>Godfrey's line:
>Godwyn the Golden; the most beloved demigod within both sides of the family of Godfrey and Radagon's lineages. Considered a great warrior and was titled the Golden as he was a warrior who followed in his father's footsteps and helped put down the dragons.
>Rykard: the greatest blasphemer and worst traitor of all the demigods, sides and joins forces with the Godskins
>Radahn; despite being Radagon's son, his emblem and personal sigils are based off Godfrey's who he worships as the greatest warrior and hero. Even his personal army are nicknamed the Redmanes in honor of their lion symbol, which is based off the golden-white one that Godfrey had.
Looks like Radagon loses again.

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I'm starting to wonder if Radagon wasn't as committed to the Golden Order as previously thought
>Decided against genociding Raya Lucaria and their mages, instead of purging Glintstone influence
>Learned about and incorporated glintstone sorcery, despite Rogier confirming that the Golden Order was firmly opposed to it in the past and made an exception for it
>His seal/rune is also locking the doorways to Raya Lucaria, so he probably had a hand in creating those barriers
>Removed the Rune of Rebirth from the Elden Ring to give to Rennala
The Rune seems like a bigger one, since the Erdtree was supposed to function to reincarnate folks at some point, but would that stop working without the Rebirth Rune?

It makes more sense desu.

Since Jerren is the Castellan of house Carian and clearly in contact with Ranni at least by proxy since he mentions talking with Blaidd and Iji, it makes sense that a Jerren organized the festival at Ranni's request to give her brother a proper death.

Why were there giant dog/crows from caelid in mountains of giants :^)

who cares the lore of this game is snooze central

I don't know how you're getting "all crime is now legal" out of that. It's just giving control of man to the hands of men, man can create its own order and decide what is best for man on its own rather than entrusting it to a grand ego. You can still make massive progress and have prosperity, it's just up to you and your fellows to decide now.

The issue is in both wars with Caria, Radagon wasn't able to secure a victory against Rennala, the Carian Knights and Cuckoo Knights + the Academy. It wasn't because he didn't want too, its because he was stopped in both wars. Other then the Rune of Rebirth being gifted to Rennala, the other stuff is incorrect.

It’s one of the points of grace in Leyndell, just blanking on which one

Jerren only works for Radahn, he left the Carians as is his nature, but kept in touch as friends

Why didn't anything cool happen in the game when I restored all the great runes. I crave validation

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I think it's mostly because their goals aligned

>Radagon
>Decided against genociding Raya Lucaria and their mages
user that's because in both wars the Golden Order was either stalemated or lost them. Then he fell in love with Rennala.

All stone memorials

>The War against the Giants. Champions battle, trolls betray. Fire vanquished, the era of the Erdtree begins.
>The First Liurnian War. Radagon's glory burns red as his hair.
>The siege of Castle Morne. A lone hero fights for his vengeance. Only to fall at the hand of Lord Godfrey.
>The Second Liurnian War. No victory for the golden, nor for the moon. No prize but atonement; the birth of a vow.
>Lord Godfrey, at last at the end of his campaign. His golden armies unvanquished and unbowed. Yet finds grace lost, tattered and faded.
>The Routing of the Ancient Dragons. Godwyn the Golden fought to the last, Earning the friendship of dread Fortissax.
>The Starscourge Conflict. Radahn alone holds Sellia secure. And stands tall, to shatter the stars.
>The First Defense of Leyndell. A sovereign alliance rots from within. Traces yet remain of bloody conspiracy.
>The Assault on Volcano Manor. The squalid, the sick, the blasphemous; a wretched, unending war with no glory.
>This marks Malenia's southward march. The Blade of Miquella and her Cleanrot Knights. Grant her wings never to be clipped.
>Second Defense of Leyndell. The Fell Omen stacks high the corpses of heroes. Yet the Erdtree remains unshaken.
>Godrick the Golden, humiliated. Having tasted defeat by the Blade of Miquella. Now on his knees, begging for mercy.
>The Battle of Aeonia. Radahn and Malenia locked in stalemate. Then, the scarlet rot blooms.
>The resting place of the contemptible Cuckoos. Lost in the siege of Caria Manor

It doesn’t seem like it at a glance but dung eater is the actual best choice.
>FF: Might be fine if it actually succeeded but you feed half of the lands between to an outer god and then said outer god takes over your body and probably jobs.
>Ranni: Takes all the god powers to space and leaves the world a normie cesspit
>Fracture: Solves nothing and is fleeting
>Order: Omens and others who aren’t nobles get shit on eternally.
>Undead: Everyone becoming an eternal undead is going to become a real bad problem down the line
>Dung: BTFO the Greater Will, draining it of the souls the parasite has been feeding on. Everyone becomes an omen (the natural form of humanity before the Elden beast civilized/tamed us)

I think we're going to find out that there are more great runes in the DLC.

because they are giant dog/crows, duh

>ignoring the omens
Morgott was the only based son of Godfrey, Mohg is a gay pedo with a blood fetish and Godwyn got dabbed on by Ranni.

because you didn't get all of them
From cucked us out of one or two

Honestly I cannot tell the full picture of the siege. We can only confirm that leyndell never fall, godefroy is an attacker and mohg working against the alliance. The other are just speculation like
>morgott might be working as margit at that time
>bloody conspiracy could possibly be the kidnapping of miquella
>if you believe the statement above, then malenia is in the alliance

Not being able to win the war against Raya Lucaria doesn't mean there wasn't a choice there. Other items mention that Glintstone Sorcery withered during the time of the Erdtree, but Radagons actions made it seem like he was actively learning and incorporating those teachings into the Golden Order rather than getting rid of them and slowly converting the academy into a church.
>Learned about and incorporated glintstone sorcery, despite Rogier confirming that the Golden Order was firmly opposed to it in the past and made an exception for it
>His seal/rune is also locking the doorways to Raya Lucaria, so he probably had a hand in creating those barriers
Both of these are in game. Its Rogiers first dialogue to you inside of the Stormveil church, and Radagons symbol on the academy barrier is clear as day

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>>Godwyn the Golden; the most beloved demigod within both sides of the family of Godfrey and Radagon's lineages. Considered a great warrior and was titled the Golden as he was a warrior who followed in his father's footsteps and helped put down the dragons.
Godwyn art when...

Because it's not only man left. Beings of the Lands have superpowers. Had the Fire Giants not been genocided it would be the order of the giants no-one would be able to oppose them. Like it was the order of the Dragons before. Superpowers were necessary to edge out all those stronger dragons, trolls whatever.
Ranni is leaving the squishy humans to die to anyone with a superpower and a cult.

>We can only confirm that leyndell never fall
LEYNDELL NEVER FALL
LEYNDELL NUMBAH WAN

Ranni had no idea the Black Knives were going to specifically target Godwyn, but everything else you said is utterly wrong. Godwyn won reknown and fame as a warrior during the war with the dragons and helped pacify and spared them from his father and mother genociding them after the assault on Lyendell. Morgott also remains there, Radahn hero worshiping Godfrey over his own famous warrior-father is pretty indicative of who the greater of the two was.

There's a carving of a girl playing with wolves in the farm azula boss room. To me this seems like ranni since she gifts you the wolves but why would she be there

Pretty sure there was a quote from the translators that literally said "we don't care about the lore".

here he is, doing what he's best at

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>Ranni had no idea the Black Knives were going to specifically target Godwyn,
Oh we are at it again...

I'm pretty sure when the House of the Tree fought the House of the Moon i.e. the Order vs Caria, the academy hadn't even been founded yet by Rennala and the Carian royal family.

>>morgott might be working as margit at that time
How is this speculation...of it's Shattering time then you should know this...

Deep sea dlc when?

I think it's more of a representation that every empyrean has to be guarded by wolves

>Ranni had no idea the Black Knives were going to specifically target Godwyn, but everything else you said is utterly wrong
lol
lmao even
She literally says she "did it all" you utter retard. She absolutely told them who to target.

Who has cooler lore: INT or FTH?

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Bruh... :(

Not actually true, you still have super powers in the form of sorceries. All Order related boons are Faith based, the Dark Moon and the other stars are channeled through Intelligence which would remain.

Stop, don't even try to imply I'm a Rannifag.

How were they even able to assassinate him, backstab? Ganging up on him? Isnt he strong as fuck?

Placidusax had his own God that left when the "Greater Will" showed up. They attacked the Erdtree/Greater Will/Leyndell and failed so he froze himself in time waiting for his god to come back.
tl;dr
>Niche backwater planet of Dragons
>Urbanites move in and ruin everything

Destined Death bro. It even killed the Elden Beast.
And try to fight like 20 of them before the creation of Sentry Torch.

>In her youth, Rennala was prominent champion who charmed the academy with her lunar magic, becoming its master. She also led the Glintstone Knights and established the house of Caria as royalty.
Rennala studied at the academy in her youth before becoming its leader. She was its leader during the war. It had to exist earlier.

I wanted them to rush him from all sides with shivs but that looks a lot more like a ritual

>Had the Fire Giants not been genocided it would be the order of the giants no-one would be able to oppose them.
>had the giants not lost, they would've won
I guess. The 'superpowers' you're talking about can be accessed by literally anyone as well. I'm not sure what you're going for here.

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This art is really disturbing to me (in a cool way). Like it seems Godwyn was caught off guard, maybe knocked unconscious or just had the shit beaten out of him, then grabbed up while he was still conscious as the centipede was carved into him.

Because the first mention of margit is in the second siege so im not so sure.

A maidenless Tarnished can wipe the demigods out. They're not invincible.

Yes exactly, just saying the whole "Lord" thing is applied to the greatest warrior or champion of whatever Outer God they follow. Placidusax was called the Dragon Lord, Radagon and Godfrey are titled the Elden Lords. I imagine if Mogh won he'd be known as the Blood Lord, etc...
Fair enough. But it was stated that Rennala was the one who pushed for glintstone sorcery after the astrology and study of the stars lost influence to the Erdtree worship.

Ranni had no other choice than to go after Godwyn
>Rykard had fused with an immortal snake thing
>Radahan was holding back the stars until she could shed her flesh
>Omens don't count
>Miquella was hiding out in the Haligtree, guarded by Malenia
>Malenia stonk, also hiding in the Haligtree
Godwyn was all that was left.

>She literally says she "did it all"
I fucked your mom, and you know I did because I literally said it.

looks to me more like he gave up
fun fact: his corpse in deep root is bascially sitting in the same position

>six super elite Black Knife assassins
>all armed with fragments of the Death Rune embued in their weapons
>sneak attack Godwyn who isn't wearing any armor or prepared for it

Tiche solos half the bosses by herself alone

Did you not fight Alecto ? She's one of the best warrior in the land between, Tiche also.

>Urbanites move in and ruin everything

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An order of sorcerers oppressing those without magic is no different. Godly powers were more than necessary to keep humans together.
Yes it's just going to be constant war between people with superpowers. If there's ever order it will be a fraction of what the GW achieved.

theyre invisible. the torches that reveal them were made after that

Melina was made by Marika as a contingency when she totally fucked up, to usher back in an Elden Lord. Melina even has a Numen knife that is probably what the Black Knives had before they became Ranni's double-agents and got infused with the Rune of Death.

There is said to be upwards of 6 or 7 Demigods that died in the Shattering War. The Walking Mausoleums represent them. They are probably housed in walking Mausoleums specifically so that Godwyn's Curse doesn't touch them because the normal Burial Rites are to be fused into Erdtree Roots (which he's corrupting).

this shit MELTS demigods

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>Melina was made by Marika
We only know she was born from the Erdtree and refers to it as her mother. For all we know she could be the reincarnation of the Gloam-Eyed Queen given her appearance in the Frenzied Flame ending.

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Imagine how strong Maliketh was with the whole death rune, not only that but h also deafeted the gloameyed queen and her godskins before he got it.

It is in fact different because those sorcerers are in control of their decision making. If the GW is just as broken and flawed as the men it wishes to control, then men do not need the uncompromising wishes of the GW enforced onto them. The Frenzy Flame was born entirely because the GW fucked up and could not keep humans together. It divided and distinguished. It created sin, curses, oppression.

That would mean that she really gets off to murdering Demigods, which I guess makes sense because the Greater Will wants you to go murder as many as possible.