ELDEN RING LORE THREAD
So why is Marika injured and has that very specific red scar/spike?
Is it a mark of the black knife assassins? Is the huge hole in her an injury left from shattering the Elden Ring which was inside of her, as seen during the Radagon boss cutscene?
Why is she crucified on the runearc?
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>So why is Marika injured and has that very specific red scar/spike?
Red?agon? Radagon?
NO
-Ranni did nuffin wrong
-Marika killed Godwyn
-Crucible schizos
-Malenia Radahn shitposting
-Rot God is not an Outer God
I assume after she shattered the ring the elden ring went apeshit, kicked the shit out of her and then crucified her as punishment
The assassin outside Marikas room is guarding the place, resting outside her 'front' door and waiting for anyone to come up.
If they were waiting for Marika, wouldn't they be inside the room? Or at least outside the door facing to the Erdtree?
There's no motif elsewhere of Radagon leaving behind red. When he strikes he leaves behind gold. His hair turned red as a curse but leaving behind red with black mixed in is associated with the Rune of Death
The color of his rune/seal on the Erdtree before you burn it down is glowing red
Oh boy! ANOTHER Elden Ring thread!
Is it possible that the black knives that killed Godwyn were a group that splintered off from Marika's black knives? Because they otherwise clearly work for her.
I think she just works for Morgott and killed all the Finger Readers leading up to the room. The Black Knives as a whole don't seem to be a cohesive group in the present, you can find them all over.
Consider Alecto is in a jail holding the ashes of her daughter, I don't doubt it.
filter it you pussy bitch
Marika has been gone for ages. To me the actual logic of why they're currently there has no point. The point was to place the assassin there to associate it with Marika. Why? It could be guarding the place, but it's still associated with her.
And this wouldn't go against the theory that they worked with Marika. They worked with her and she let them voluntarily strike her with a black knife to destroy the Elden Beast and Elden Ring inside of her. If you look at the Elden Beast that comes from inside of Marika, it also has a crack on its belly
But why kill Godwyn?
The Liturgical Town seems to be a small town populated by invisible Black Knife Assassins
Liturgy is a public religious ceremony or worship
They work for the Greater Will
I think someone else put her in jail. I think after the night of the black knifes and the shattering Marika was punished by the Greater Will and was no longer in charge of anything. The jailed black knife assassins worked with Marika and that is exactly why theyre jailed, just like she is
Marika IS the Elden Ring. Or rather the embodiment of it on that plane of existence. Radagon is Marika's body when the Elden Beast is at the wheel. Why else do you think that Radagon literally has the same wounds? Lorewise, you have to understand that not everything you read in item descriptions etc is true. GRRM likes false lore because he thinks it feels more real. So you get stuff that's mostly bullshit with a kernel of truth. Like Radagon marrying Renala and suddenly running off to be Marika's consort.
Malenia and Miquella are allegories for incest, they're cursed for being the result of incest between one being split in two.
This is also why they are Empyrean despite having 2 parents, since both "parents" are one and the same god and Empyreans are stated to be produced/sired from one god, the process being unclear though. For example:
Radagon - Ranni who is Empyrean
Radagon + Rennala - Radahn and Rykard who are demigods but not Empyrean
Albinaurics are as far removed from the GW as you can get without being straight up blasphemous, they can't acquire Grace and are shunned by almost everyone in the Lands Between because of that. Why would the GW station some BKs in a random Albinauric town?
>you have to understand that not everything you read in item descriptions etc is true
Item descriptions are written from an omniscient narrator, it’s character dialogue that’s suspect.
Godwyn the Golden was basically the Golden Jesus. To kill him would both take out a key player for the Greater Will and (if they knew it would happen), transform him into a nemesis for the Greater Will, the Prince of Death. Along with granting Ranni the freedom to also resist the Golden Order.
I think the narration is not unreliable here and Marika truly mourned his death, even though he was the son she made with Godfrey, who she had exiled. It's just the price she and Ranni had to pay
Radahn every day. That bitch had to not only debase herself to get a draw, but then had to be dragged away from the battlefield.
What is the source on his red hair coming from a curse? I've seen speculation that he was actually part-Giant which throws a whole other level of WTF when you consider Marika decimating their entire civilization.
Marika's soul is in Radagon's body thats how they share a body (like how Ranni's is in a dolls)
Radagon's body turns into Elden Beast Sword once you kill him
Marika's original body appears after the fight, completely broken and shattered
same body sharing explained this is factually proven.
You spelled her name wrong, it's Malenia.
From his weapon.
>Marika being the collaborator again.
I'm tired of this shit. Last thread was so good.
THANK YOU, CORRECTED. APOLOGIES.
Godfrey found out she was a tranny and have her an RKO
are the grafted scions part of the golden lineage too?
>Marika, the sweet dindu nuffin who had a female panic attack and destroyed the elden ring because she heard her son was killed and for no other reason
It simply makes no sense. The people who say this seem to forget the actual timeline of events and how her motivations would change over the years.
>Every giant is red of hair, and Radagon was said to have despised his own red locks. Perhaps that was a curse of their kind.
Giant’s red braid
Got a link? I can't find anything
Not really. They're written in universe as if they were recorded in an archive or chronicle. Were it really an "omniscent" narrator, you'd never encounter a "nobody really knows" or "it's been lost to time..." The fact that we do indicates that it's meant to be from a chronicle. Again, GRRM LOVES writing lore you can't fully trust. He does that shit constantly with ASoIF. Personally, I think it comes from his self study of medieval texts. One thing you quickly learn reading medieval literature is how to find the truth in the bullshit. It's a lot like reading "news" in propaganda. There's a lot of doublespeak.
What I want to know is how did a grafted scion get to the Chapel of Anticipation?
Maybe there's a trend of Tarnished coming to that place, so Godrick just put one there to spawn camp.
How did our Tarnished even get to the Lands Between anyway? We don't seem to have a boat and the Chapel of Anticipation is pretty far above sea level.
calling marika a dindu is just as bad as calling ranni a dindu
>Zanzibart thread
>Again, GRRM LOVES writing lore you can't fully trust.
That’s nice, but he only wrote the pre-shattering backstory stuff not the item descriptions
Though I would agree that if the item description itself uses mitigating language that’s relevant to its interpretation
For an in your face Jesus allegory.
For an inlore explaination, it's probably an early attempt to kill a god that went wrong. Now Hewg is tasked to make a weapon that will work.
It seems to me that Elden Beast is the embodiment of the Elden Ring and Marika was only the chosen vessel to carry it.
I think there is some unreliable narration in the game, but we have to be careful when we claim something most likely is false, instead of being just a conspiracy theory.
Melinia tells us theres words of Marika, and I have yet no reason to doubt she is lying
>In Marika's own words. O Radagon, leal hound of the Golden Order. Thou'rt yet to become me, thou'rt yet to become a god. Let us both be shattered, mine other half
This implies to me that there was a time when Radagon was not Marika. She served Marika, she married Renala either as a ploy or out of true love and then when Godfrey was banished, she joined Renala and at some point they became one and made children after or before
Sorry it wasn't the hammer. I have read it a dozen times in game, but can't find it right now. Hopefully someone else will.
Not that far into the game yet but how tf do they have kids? And does that mean Godfrey and Renalla fucked the same body?
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That can be interpreted as the giants themselves being cursed with red hair, not them cursing Radagon. If you consider the theory that the face on the Last Giant's body is actually their God of the Fell Flame contained within him, the red hair could also be a symptom of their race's alignment with said deity and would also tie in with Marika and the Golden Order pulling out all the stops to eradicate the chaotic competitor and maybe hint that Radagon was a defector. I'm just spitballing really but I think there's something here.
Died there I guess? I dunno it’s an island totally disconnected from everything
>REEEEEEE WHY ARE PEOPLE ARGUING THE MOTIVATIONS AND ACTIONS OF THIS MOST PROMINENT AND CENTRAL CHARACTER I WIL NOT ABIDE THIS
They're probably the remains of Godrick's nephews/cousins. Typically pages would lesser nobility and distant relations of the court. My guess is that Godrick was genuinely trying to emulate a "King" by becoming strong and leading a force of strong warriors. So he Cronenberged himself then started grabbing pages he knew could tolerate the process and started making his warriors.
So?
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The Elden Beast IS the Elden Ring. It was a star sent by the GW.
In the greater context: Melania since she could recover from what happened, though she lost her second out of three lifes when she killed herself for it.
In the context of the fight: If you use buildup effects you didn't truly win the fight.
The giants had defectors though, the trolls, and they really don’t look like Radagon
So I'm not sure if I'm reaching, but the game is full of dual aspects of things. Is there any others?
>Malenia loses body, Radahn loses mind
>Malenia has a decaying body, Miquella has a preserved body
>Godwyn loses soul, Ranni loses mind
>Rennala loses husban, Godfrey loses wife
>Morgott tries to be noble, Mohg embraces depravity
>This implies to me that there was a time when Radagon was not Marika
Fucking finally someone else sees this. I was in a thread a few days arguing that Marika didn't simply create him out of herself.
Saturn's Rings, Saturn's rune
>since both "parents" are one and the same god
Alchemical Rebis/Marriage
>Ranni the freedom to also resist the Golden Order
Hermetic/astral magic and planetary correspondences thought to have power governing over human fate (or at least delineated them in a legible way) -- Ranni's aim is 'crossing the abyss' to that end
>The First Defense of Leyndell. A sovereign alliance rots from within. Traces yet remain of bloody conspiracy.
>The Assault on Volcano Manor. The squalid, the sick, the blasphemous; a wretched, unending war with no glory.
>This marks Malenia's southward march. The Blade of Miquella and her Cleanrot Knights. Grant her wings never to be clipped.
>Godrick the Golden, humiliated. Having tasted defeat by the Blade of Miquella. Now on his knees, begging for mercy.
>The Battle of Aeonia. Radahn and Malenia locked in stalemate. Then, the scarlet rot blooms.
>Second Defense of Leyndell. The Fell Omen stacks high the corpses of heroes. Yet the Erdtree remains unshaken.
>The resting place of the contemptible Cuckoos. Lost in the siege of Caria Manor
Battles of the Shattering
Radagon and Marika having children together despite being the same being is the reason that Malenia and Miquella are cursed with their respective afflictions but are also Empyreans that could become Marika's successor due to "technically" being the spawn of a single god.
Why were the Onyx and Alabaster lords friendly at one point yet now aggressive to everyone?
They associated with Raya Lucaria and taught Radahnn his magic. Can space elves go hollow?
Basically Marika and Radagon are a Jekyll and Hyde situation. She speaks to him much the same as Jekyll and Hyde spoke of/to one another. As different people in the same vessel.
>In Marika's own words. O Radagon, leal hound of the Golden Order. Thou'rt yet to become me, thou'rt yet to become a god. Let us both be shattered, mine other half
Huh where does this dialogue happen? I rested at every church and talked to her at every opportunity
>not everything you read in item descriptions etc is true
If you accept that then all lore is meaningless and you can just headcanon whatever you want.
>GRRM
Had no input on them. He built the backdrop of the world and gave that to Miyazaki to do with as he pleased. He isn't writing item descriptions, or the food items would be much longer.
We're literally told neither of them won, why isn't that an option chucklefuck
you can ask this question about half the enemies in the game
there's no reason for the redmane army to fight you but they do
Because that town leads directly to the Haligtree where Malenia and presumably Miquella are. The BKs are trying to get there but the town is on lockdown
Different user here, I’ve been arguing this a lot but people just go “Radagon IS Marika”
Cheers, thanks for the meme
I think its at the queen's bedchambers at some point after you beat morgott