Why is it bad for sonic games to have a story?

Why is it bad for sonic games to have a story?

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It is bad for any game to have a story if you're hiring crappy writers.

Story in games is OK as long as it's optional and doesn't impede your ability to play the fucking game.

all sonic games have a story dumbass

Sounds like adventure 2

SA2 was the last game in the series to have a real story. It has stakes, action, emotion, themes, message, builds on prior games in a meaningful way and expands on the world and characters of sonic.

Every game since then has been bare minimum framing and self deprecating cringe comedy

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Why is it okay for you to use a strawman to defend Sonic Adventure 2, as if anyone really gives a fuck that it has a story?

SA2 added nothing positive to the Sonic franchise
>Shadow as a character WAS fine. Emphasis on WAS. He should have stayed dead because his entire character arc was completely finished and there was no more to do with him but they brought him back anyway.
>Rouge adds nothing to the Sonic world and is a flat uninteresting character who won't organically get involved with any future Sonic plot. They ended up having her become a satellite character to Shadow because they didn't know what to do with her.
>President and GUN add nothing other than pointless "realism" that takes away from the fantasy aspects of the Sonic world while adding nothing.
>there are no real character changes or progress for any of the established characters
>ARK aka Death Egg but yet again, Gerald, Maria, Artificial Chaos are never brought up in any Sonic game again outside of its direct sequel, Shadow the Hedgehog (which made it all worse)
>pretty much nothing else from the game is acknowledged again anyway outside of Shadow and a couple "DAE remember SA2" throwaway lines and Generations stuff

SA2 sucks

SA is a masterpiece tho
it changed gaming when it was released with the Dreamcast

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>It has stakes, action, emotion, themes, message, builds on prior games in a meaningful way and expands on the world and characters of sonic.
Not disagreeing but i believe i recall hearing this exact same statement in the same order on some youtube video

Why is it bad for Doom to have a story?

If Sonic 2 is your favorite game of all time you're one of those 90s kids that got the Sonic 2 + Genesis pack back then. Likewise, if SA2 is your favorite game of all time you're one of those 00s kids that played it on Gamecube. If 3K is your favorite game of all time then you're based

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What if my favorite game of all time isn't a Sonic game?

idk it's either TWEWY or DMC3 since Yea Forums really seems to love those two. You're allowed to like whatever game

yeah, glad someone noticed that. it's from ruby of blue. he makes the best SA2 videos and absolutely destroyed projared

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All of these except for two are criticisms of future Sonic games, not SA2
>President and GUN add nothing other than pointless "realism" that takes away from the fantasy aspects of the Sonic world while adding nothing.
That "realism" was already present in SA1, and a private military force (or any military force) having the ability to mass produce autonomous robots that can fly and teleport and run off of magical "chaos drives" isn't very realistic at all. These two groups are there to add stakes to the story and help depict just how big of a threat Eggman/Shadow/Gerald are. Eggman's threat of blowing up the earth is so drastic that the president himself is getting involved in order to stop him. Gerald and his creations (including Shadow) are so powerful that GUN resorted to murdering everyone on the ARK and locking away Gerald/Shadow so that his creations would never see the light of day.
>there are no real character changes or progress for any of the established characters
Tails and Shadow

I like him, his enthusiasm is endearing.

The game you are looking for is Sonic and the Black Knight

My first Sonic game was Secret Rings, I thought it was awful but something made me keep coming back, it made me laugh, then I got unwiished and it didn't really make me laugh, but I heard the 360 version is better, I enjoyed colors and even lost world unironically but I think my favorite is still secret rings just because of the good memories

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sa2 is very good game to me but it had flaws
the story is meh but the gameplay i love it but not the damn rouge stages even damn madd space it is too damn hard and confusing to beat

>colors above 3 and knuckles
Should of been in the average tier.

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>SA2
yeah that's about right, though I was born in the 90's barely.

Gotta remember that this guy values Pontac and Graff's writing over gameplay

they felt incomplete

Do you look back on the lyrical music from the Sonic series and think about how cringe-y the lyrics are now that you're older and more aware of good music?

It's not, but much like the rest of Sonic now it has no real direction or identity beyond short sighted pandering

No. It still fits perfectly with Sonic, and pretty much the only thing you can rely on with Sonic games these days is them having good music.

>Rouge adds nothing to the Sonic world
She's added the most /ss/ porn with Tails if that counts, Vanilla in 2nd
>Flat
lmao

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Why remake art of that one? There was no dialog and teasing

SA2s story was awful though, and I say that as someone who played it all the time as a kid and still do enjoy most of the actual game. It's not just the akward cutscenes, the whole story is all over the place and way too convoluted. It's a series about a blue hedgehog that runs fast and destroys robots, Sonic doesn't need these dark, deep and emotional stories, especially not shit about Robotnik's never before mentioned grandfather threatening to destroy the Earth just because the US Government decided to kill his granddaughter due to space aids.
Games like 3&K, Adventure 1 and Unleashed got the stories done right

I want more shonen ai in sonice games

Works on my machine

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name a more kino moment in videogame history

because they constantly try to write stories that don't fit the personality of the characters or universe and when they don't they suck
they need to write the games more like the comics, sure throw in something dark and dramatic every now and again but sonic and tension do not mix well together

say what you want about sonic boom, it's the last game I remember where the game had a very sonic attitude, they just fucked up on EVERYTHING else.

>It's a series about a blue hedgehog that runs fast and destroys robots, Sonic doesn't need these dark, deep and emotional storie
I hate people like you. You just want sonic to be another simple dumb platformer like Mario. Faggots like you are what's holding Sonic back from being ambitious and trying new things

Only if you're retarded

He's absolutely right and you're either an absolute moron or you haven't been paying attention because 3D Sonic has been nothing BUT a string of experiments, some of them quite ambitious. Right now, Sonic doesn't need to "try new things", it needs to do the things it did well to begin with but in 3D. It needs a solid foundation to build on, not focus on a bunch of superfluous things like story.

Faggots like YOU are the reason why this series has turned into an amorphous blob or half baked concepts and mechanics, and why no one can fucking agree on literally anything because Sonic has been so many different things in attempts to "try new things."

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When they go super and live and learn starts blasting is one of the peak kino moments in videogames

Don’t know why its so hard for Sega to make a Sonic story. They should just hire some shounen manga writers to do it. They have so much money, but they just keep ruining Sonic’s image with bad games.

>Sonic doesn't need to "try new things", it needs to do the things it did well to begin with but in 3D
Have you been paying attention? That is "trying new things" for Sonic Team. The last time they had any sort of coherent design and specific goals in mind when making a game was Adventure 1 & 2. Anything after is just them throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks.

So is Shadow knowing that there is a government agent named Rouge the Bat but not putting 2 and 2 together until late in the game worded better in Japanese?

>the whole story is all over the place and way too convoluted.
imagine being too retarded for a sonic story lmaooooooo

It's not like you're the only fan matters,
only developer ambitions do

It wasn't suppose to add things to the future of the franchise because it was the final game. Any Sonic game not on a Sega console doesn't matter and isn't a real Sonic game.

Wrong Sonic 2 was my first Sonic game but Sa2 and 3&K are tied for my favorites played both on original hardware.

Look here anons, this is your brain on bing bing wahoo.

>Dissing on Unleashed, Secret Rings and Black Knight's stories

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Yes they are trash despite the underage faggots growing up and spamming about how they are good recently.

If this thread's about how to make Sonic great again they just gotta bring my nigga Scratch back.

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