Yes, I pay money to purchase single player games, pirating games is unethical and I want to support the developer!

shoplifting hurts the store owner economically because a store good is a physical asset with value and removing it causes the developer to lose that asset

Pirating a game does not cause the developer to lose anything, he still owns the game

did the artist ever get to suck markiplier off?

So why don't games that bear no online component not deserve your money?

>You agree with it?
Not him, but why would you not agree. It's called being a responsible customer.
I do pirate games that I'm unsure if I'm going to enjoy quite often, but when I do enjoy them, I buy them - if I enjoy them a lot, I buy them at full price too, because that is how you provide developers with feedback about what you do and do not want to see being made in the future.

I only buy physical copies. They only keep the box on display and the discs are kept behind the counter so I couldn't steal them even if I wanted to.

>mfw paying to get pozzed

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Uhh did it not cross your mind that they lose the money that would been involved in the transaction?

If you want to support the developer, why not pirate and donate 100% of the game's cost directly to them?

No digital media deserves my money, I'm the consumer, I pay for what I want
If multiplayer games were free, I'd pirate them too.

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I'm just probing into the matter.

For the record, I sometimes do that too (most recently being for DBZ: Kakarot, which I was right not to buy after trying it that way).

OP, riddle me this.

If everyone pirated the game who would pay to make it

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Based.

Racedriver GRID had unresticted online play even if you pirated the game.

>Physical hoarding
Are you a woman?

Don't mind me bro, just pirating your house

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>people should work for me for free
>what? no i'd never work for free

he made a thread yesterday thinking crowdfunding would be a better option. hes retarded, dont listen to him

>I love [insert game]

>pirated!

>turns out it undersold because everyone pirates

>devs go out of business

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>pirate single-player game
>it's was good
>pay the game so the dev get rewarded for doing a good job

The only biggest chad step possible would be to give directly the money to the dev so no third system take part of the money of the game

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the people in OP's picture

you are such a daft bitch

Well if I have to spend money on a game then doesn't another business (like say the liquor store) loses my money that would have been involved in a transaction too?

OP supply and demand/capitalist economy means that in order to get a service performed it costs money and time
yeah it's fine if a few people pirate but if every single person pirated like you advocate, we'd have no games. A group of people HAS to pay money or goods and services cease to exist.

Just because I dont pay for digital media doesnt mean I hoard physical shit. In fact I havent bought a physical copy since I started pirating as well.
I avoid paying for stuff that I can get away with. It's just how it is.

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I wish that everyone stupid enough to pay for single player games would be killed off.

>lose money that he never had but maybe would've

That guy? That EXACT guy?

I said if EVERYONE pirated it. Including the people in the picture.

What are they ruining for you?

You spend your money on what you need and want, dictating the weight value of the product. Thats how the world works.

While this would be pretty awesome way to act, I bet 99,9% of those who pirate games don't do that

no, i wouldn't consider buying this product even if pirating it wouldn't be an option.
it's no-money / no-money sort of deal for them from me, why they choose to fuck over those few oddballs who give them money in name of it is beyond me.

do you think the developers of single player games just work for free

Does it FUCKING MATTER to me as someone who just wants entertainment in their life?

Retards you don't realize that you don't buy games to own them anymore, you pay money hoping gaben LETS you play them, you don't own shit.

Buying games is a scam and pirating is the better option unless we're able to own games we pay for again

>uh no I wasn't interested in it
Then why are you pirating it?

Ethics don't come into it. It's the law. If you don't like it, lobby your local congressman or member of parliament.

Yea Forums: wooooow why are game devs such sjws and pander to resetera why don't they make games for us
also Yea Forums: *pirates every game*

The only time I'm against piracy is when justifications beyond "I didn't want to pay for it" (which includes simply trying the game) start cropping up.

Trying to claim you're "getting revenge" for a shit game industry is bullshit and you know it.

but paycucks like you will always exist, you're imagining a non-problem

just like some """men""" will support a girl financially while others simply fuck her and gtfo.

>Ethics don't come into it. It's the law
peak americuck post

Yes you pay for products in order to consume them. Hoarding and material ownership is such a boomer meme. My dad has like 10 cars on his yard just because of this and our secondary house is literally a warehouse. Just imagine if everyone lived like him our society couldn't support good living conditions for everyone.

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>wow this game is shit i would never play this
>but imma pirate it anyway and play it
>of course im not gonna pay for it, i wasnt gonna play it anyway, now im gonna finish this game i wasnt gonna play

>*pirates everything*
>"YOOO WHY THE FUCK THESE PC PORTS SUCK ASS LIKE FOR REAL BAKA"

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So you admit that pure piracy could never work? So by making fun of people who pay money, you're admitting you need those people to play games.

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Not him
Depends on whether you want to play good games or braindead garbage, that's the most important question.

Up until today, I have always pirated singleplayer games.
However, I'm going to start buying singleplayer games. I don't want to be associated with underage wojak cancer. Everything wojakposters like and do is reddit.

youtu.be/9uhYm8nLdb0

>but paycucks like you will always exist, you're imagining a non-problem

Yes, user. People like me will always exist that pay for goods and services so the companies we support can continue making goods and services. That's how life works. If I want anything I pay for it.

I pirate and buy games, there's several factors
If it's an old game and the sales money doesn't go to the original devs anymore (for example doom) then I pirate
If it's old and devs still get the money then it depends on the price or just my whim

If it's new then I 99% of the time just pirate it cuz it will run faster without gay drm. Witcher3 has no drm and is on the sale almost everyday so I bought it.

Stop being a child. You're not special and you don't get to break the law just because you really, really want to.

Anyone implicitly or explicitly admitting that they would pay/have paid for multiplayer games is the biggest cuck in this thread. Imagine actually spending money to be subject to room temperature IQ subhumans and powertripping staff lmao.

dont bother arguing with the sub 80 IQ thirdie retards

And you guys wonder why Sega decided to abandon PC

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go ahead, you can download as many copies of my house as you like

I already pay my indies games I've enjoyed pirated
But I really don't know what would be the best way to send money to the dev

pirates are literally welfare queens of the internet. they want free shit but shit on those that pay for their free games.

Is that Markimoo?

i can already tell you scored really low in your IQ test

it's fine if you pirate but it's not fine to brag about it. It's like braging about faking a disability and living on a welfare or that you steal ramen soup from a shop everyday.

Yeeeeessss I'm such a nice consoomer guy, don't worry m'lady I will buy you anything you want, it is my duty to financially support a lady like you!!!

literally me

got too much free time and too litlle to do.
what's it to you, question was about money not my actions.
and as i said, i wouldn't consider buying it.
me pirating game comes at benefit of me possibly recommending game when i see someone asking about it (and that person might actually buy it based on my recomendation), succesfully preventing me from pirating it drops that chance to 0.
keeping in mind that squezeeng my hard earned sheckels from me is a no-go in any case, shut up and take better care of your customers than harass me.

seething

This is why I'm enjoying Alyx threads.
Because even if you pirate it, you STILL had to pay a substantial fee just to even play.
It's exactly why so many people are fucking FUMING about it being VR only, because if you're a broke faggot street rat, you can pirate a gorillion copies and will never be able to play.

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You're literally an e-nigger. Has that ever crossed your mind, that the same force that drives you to do something as banal as pirating software is the same reason why Baltimore is a perpetual dump?

dilate

I actually love this guy

>consoomer guy
Go back to R*ddit please

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To be honest, the last two single player games i purchased were Noita and World of Horror.
I guess i’m a cuck for supporting these two small devs

>to be subject to room temperature IQ subhumans and powertripping staff lmao
Just because you played shit like Overwatch and Battlefield doesnt mean everyone else does, you absolute normalfag.

depends on what you mean by work, the industry would still exist but i think it would be a farcry from what it is today.
>So by making fun of people who pay money, you're admitting you need those people to play games
in the same way your wife's boyfriend needs you to support her financially so he can cum inside her for free, yes.

Piracy isn't theft. It's piracy. There was also a huge article that was covered up showing that piracy actually boosts sales. However, I feel that piracy only works out okay because most are too stupid to do it. The idea is that you can pirate because others will pay and that you never would have payed anyway, so no money is being lost. However, imagine if every single person were a pirate. Obviously everyone wants everything for free. So then it'd be a problem.

Personally, I'm okay with it if it's older things that are out of print. Brand new stuff is either purchased or you wait. Also, pirates here are absolute faggots who think they're manly for having pirated. They are deplorable cunts worthy of hatred and disgust.

Well that is one of the main points for the piratefags. They claim to only ever pay for multiplayer games.

I buy games only because I like them being organized in a single launcher. That's literally it.

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I don’t give a shit, anyone that stupid doesn’t deserve to live either way.

It took awhile but Patrick Stewart is finally showing his age and it makes me sad.

I pirate games to have a sample and then buy them later if I feel its worth the money :)
Of course only when its heavily discounted, years after release date.

Absolutely BASED

>if u think laws should be ethically correct u a child
>you don't get to break the law just because you really, really want to
except i do and i do, free of consequences.
stay mad.

I haven't though of that, lmao

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Was that the bite of 87!?!?!?!

>buying games before checking them

hahahahahaha

Thank God for Origin Premium, it allowed me to play Jedi Fallen Order for free.
Played it for 2-3 hours and deleted that piece of shit.
Boy, would i be pissed if i actually bought this trash.

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People who pirated Tekken 7 could play online, so that point is moot. Piratefags pay for what they have to pay for, and if multiplayer games are cracked, they will pirate them as well. Why would a pirate refuse a cracked, multiplayer game like you are seemingly implying?

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>wojak poster
>clinically retarded
Holy based

>actually defending multiplayer games in any capacity
the absolute state of Yea Forums lmao

It's exactly why it's getting an unreal amount of assmad.
Our Argentinian dwellers pretending they're "Based" for being poor can't cope hard enough, they will NEVER be able to play it and it pisses them off.

piratefags are all poor dickless neets and children

>Yea Forums hates niggers
>Yea Forums acts like niggers
I know you guys hate yourselves but calm down.

>e-nigger
more like an e-bull, you cucks pay for it while i enjoy it for free.
>that the same force that drives you to do something as banal as pirating software is the same reason why Baltimore is a perpetual dump?
that's not true tho, niggers are unable to sustain civilization due to lack of intelligence not other factors.

The worst pirates are the ones who try to moralfag about it

You are no better than a welfare nigger with that attitude.
>Why get a better job when whiteys tax money pays for my food and niglets?

That is what you sound like user.

>t. zoomer who never experienced community servers

lol i dont give a shit about developers or morals

fuck you all, never buying your shit game, suck a dick you pencil neck indie developer faggots haha

i can't even find games worth pirating anymore

But that's not the case and never will be

Exactly what this said There will always be people who pay for games, so pirating games won't hurt the sales.
It's the same as "what if no one donated e-girls money for playing video games? Maybe then they'd actually have to earn it", but you know that's never going to fucking happen

Niggers hate niggers most of all

this.
there are no good games anymore.

well, shit, wait.
Doom Eternal.
I'm buying that shit in a heartbeat.

I feel like this is a bad thread and everyone just bought into it hook, line, and sinker.

Turns out that most of the pirates are in fact literal welfare niggers or other thirdies
Shocking i know

Well you already got filtered as a braindead pleb who actually thought that Faller Order could be good so

>what do you mean, I have to pay for things I want?

Civilizations are not sustained by just intelligence. It is very much about the laws. Reason why 1st world countries are 1st world is because of the trust. You don't see any country with mafias or corruption doing well. They are the ones going around and bending the law just like you are.

>what do you mean you get the things i pay for, for free?

I was poor too, had almost no original games besides the ones that came with a magazine, but things have changed. I don't mind pirating, braging about it like it's so smart and based makes me cringe though

Yea Forums likes to argue even more than they like games? Who'd have thought.

Paycucks are seething because they aren't brave enough to break a law like piratechads can, that's why they're mad

>You don't see any country with mafias or corruption doing well
user, I...

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the romans gave away free circuses to distract their populations, now we have to pay for our own games. probably smart, since it makes people value them more when they have to give something for them.

hey bro, dont yell at me.... the trailers made it look like a completely different game.... im just glad i didnt spend a penny on that shit in the end.

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The consoomers, of course.

>You don't see any country with mafias or corruption doing well
did italy and rome stop existing? they even have the highest IQ average of all europe.

sure is strange proper singleplayer games get rarer every year, or they're stuffed full of DRM that fucks with people that buy the game too
hmm... must be the jews. imagine wanting to make money from a product you make, that's kinda cringe bro

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Italy is not doing well just so you know.

Commit a murder then and say that again. Surely there is someone you want to kill.

But pirating doesn't hurt anyone unlike murder and I also won't be caught

lol shitty bait thread

meanwhile OP buys beer, cigars and phones because he wants to support the manufacturers

I pirate everything I can for the last 15 years because how could I resist free shit?
But I certainly would never encourage other people to pirate or make a gay post like OPs, that’s counterproductive. I don’t want everyone pirating, there’s got to be paying customers for things to get made, and I love being the one who doesn’t have to pay.
Stop telling other people they’re cucks for not pirating or cucks for not using ad block, we need them.

I honestly don't mind people pirating shit cuz they're poor.
It's the people pretending they're fighting the man or some gay shit that makes it look stupid.
The kind of person that puts some cashier making 9 an hour through the ringer because they can't get a return without a receipt and pretend the corporations are who they're fighting.
I've never pirated anything other than music myself, but I'm not on Yea Forums pretending I give half a shit about the music industry, because I don't.

i hope you're not paying for the internet or you didn't buy that device you're using right now

>99 out of 100 modern games turn out to be unfinished low effort trash you cant even refund most of the time and dont even have demos to try them out before buying
>those evil fucking pirates stealing our shekels

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A few virgins from Yea Forums deciding to start pirating games won't matter because there's millions of buyers outside of Yea Forums

yeah, they'd make limited one purchase singleplayer experiences and not infinitely extendable and designed to be addictive mtx machines if people just didn't pirate so much. makes perfect sense.

>OP buys beer, cigars and phones because he wants to support the manufacturers
i think he does that because he can't pirate it, i personally cultivate tabbaco in my backyard and buy contrabanded beer.

this mentality is the reason why everything is the most boring, safest, market research driven, tasteless live service soup.
Why bother making a game with passion when you can pander to normies and consoomers that don't even know piracy exists?

>they aren't brave
>I also won't be caught

It's just reverse poetry at this point

nice argument

my take is
>tripleA
pirate the shit out of it. They're gonna get money anyway and the game is most likely pozzed shit
>indie
at worst i'll pirate it to try it and then buy if i like it, cause small devs that pour their souls in games deserve compensation

>paycucks
the people who pay are chads, while you piratecucks can only hope to nibble on the side, like parasites.

pretty sure you need a loicence for that garden m8.

>Yesss, I am the ultimate Chad for shaping and fueling the video game industry with my hard earned money so that everyone can enjoy it, I can't wait for a new unfinished console port with most of the content cut out sold as $500 worth of DLC.

>couldn’t steal them if I wanted to

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This is the way to go.
Pirate all AAA games, pay for indie games if you like them.

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Why not buy games you enjoy?

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>the people who get cucked are chads while you bullcucks only hope to fuck other mans wives, like parasites

>i pirate all my games

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any society that sells culture on a mass scale will be locked in a race towards to bottom. passion games are even easier to find, and well rewarded when good, since the large herds are distracted by the marketeers

>small devs that pour their souls in games deserve compensation

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>piratefags are also cuckposters
Gee, I never would have imagined...

dude, it's just shitposting or you are for real?
deriving your self-worth from purchased goods and services is like textbook definition of consumerism.
you don't get a moral high ground by simply throwing money at someone.

Why would I?

DAS RITE

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Steam is such shit, I want games to launch by themselves, not from some shitty frontend.

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To shift the industry towards making games you like.
Any "argument" that boils down to "durr hurr you can't change the industry" will be dismissed as defeatist cucks giving up.

I'd agree if it wasn't for modern dlc and microtransaction purposes.
But either way OP is a retard. Last thing pirates want is for all the paypigs funding their free shit to join the pirate crew.

pirates rely on paying customers to get their enjoyment
cucks rely on other men to get their enjoyment

can you think of a more accurate comparison? i fail to

Can't be bothered to figure out how to pirate, so I'll just buy a game I want to play

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Retard

bulls also rely on other men (cucks) to get their enjoyment

My favorite games are Oblivion and Darkseed 2, my taste in video games is horrible.
I woouldn't want to wish that upon the industry.

>i pirate all my games because i'm a c-c-chad ! not because i'm a literal nobody living in a literal third world shithole with 5$ a month !

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if you think of it as an "industry", you've already lost

I do that, but for only one game in 5 years so far and it was Nier Tomato

Enlighten us, then. What is it if not an industry?
Try not to embarrass yourself.

im not into the cuck fetish like you are, but isnt the cuck thing mainly for the guy getting cucked?

I’m not a leftist cuck who has a inherent need to suck the dicks of big corporations

Speaking of piracy, what the fuck does
>start a game with a dummy token in an enviroment variable
mean?
I'm trying to pirate an itchio game and the cracker fag went to sleep without further instructions and I have no idea where to ask about this.

>i pirate all my games

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>i pirate all my games because i'm a literal nobody living in a literal first world shithole with 5.000$ a month

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>NOOOOOO STOP PIRATING MY PIXELSHIT INDIE TRANNY GAME I NEED THE MONEY TO RAISE JAMAL'S KIDS

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as a cuck you have to financially support your wife, give her all your money, all your time and effort, provide a house, provide food, listen to her every day
(like paying for games)

meanwhile a Chad just comes, gives her nothing, still fucks her and leaves
(like pirating games)

Does it hurt the wife? No, she got fucked by a Chad which she absolutely loved, and still gets all the money she needs from you

whales, studios operating on loss but still getting paid for pushing an agenda etc etc

Whales are not a thing in games I buy
I don't buy from those studios
Remember, bad practices and bad companies existing does not invalidate the ones that make good games. All those need is to not go bankrupt and make a profit, they don't need to make more profit than shitty companies or to not have shitty companies exist.

fracture the markets, establish various niches, let the industry part trundle on. if you were served by yesteryear's mass productions and can accept no substitutes, then your obsolescence will be increasingly forced on your awareness

didn't realize that piratefags were so messed up in the head until I read this thread
the amount of all the mental gymnastics, the hoops and pommel horses they had to go through and perform on at the same time is astounding
they will even list excuses that they have convinced themselves are the reason why they act the way they do
they are low iq shitposters to boot and don't realize how stupid they appear
pirateshits are sick and need to be put down

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yeah but my point is that it is impossible to shift the industry by financial means in the way you said

>piratefags are wojackspammers who call themselves chads and are obsessed with cuckoldry
I can't even imagine something more pathetic than this

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And then the Master Race wonders why not every game is on PC

>These people should spend countless hours working on their passion project only for fucknuggets like me to shit on their dreams, steal their hard labor and force them into months of financial stress because I'm too much of a shitter to pay two hours' wage to compensate for their efforts

You're the reason videogames are shit these days. People used to make interesting games because they'd actually be worth the effort. Nowadays it's only the same rehashed boring-ass big titles with online nonsense made by soulless greedy corporations because their only bottom line is money and they know how to squeeze it through shit DLC and microtransactions.

hey user, time to pay for MY free game

Why did you answer with verbs a question that could only have been answered with a noun?
Scratch that, you actually can't even call that an answer.

based

If you wanted it enough to pirate it, you wanted it. If you wanted it, the creator deserves the money for it. Consuming the work of others without paying them is theft. If you don't pay for it, you shouldn't have it. End of story. Just admit to being a thief and we're all set.

>paypig calling anyone pathetic
>ever

No it isn't. I just explained why. Shifting the industry does not necessitate hindering or removing the shitty companies and their shitty practices, it just means helping the good companies with good games stay afloat and expand.

>Pirate Fags need an ego boost instead of actually playing the games they pirate

Your becoming worse than vegans

Yes, you're simply that pathetic

why are there so many normies in Yea Forums that thinks piracy is good? fuck off if you don't pay for your entertainment

You're retarded

>These people should spend countless hours working on their passion project only for fucknuggets like me to shit on their dreams, steal their hard labor and force them into months of financial stress because I'm too much of a shitter to pay two hours' wage to compensate for their efforts

Except piracy boosts sales it's been proven, and they will never run out of people who buy games to make enough money (if their game is good and worth it)

>People used to make interesting games because they'd actually be worth the effort.
If you weren't a newfag to the video game industry, you'd know that in the past pirating was MUCH bigger and more common. Games are shit nowadays because gaming has become mainstream thus making casual players who have very low standards the biggest target audience for developers

your question missed the point I was making, my answer redirected it to what my point was. try to keep up, I don't spoonfeed pedantry.

>normies
>normalfags thinking piracy is good
>normies

>Nooooooooo you can't just get what I pay for for free!!! That's not faaaaaair!!!!!!!!!

>and buy contrabanded beer.
lol, you pay for beer? You don't just steal it like a chad? Thry can make it infinitely, it's all plants. Nobody gets hurt or loses anything, lol.

Why should I accept your railroad when you can't even answer my question? If you had wanted me to listen to your ramblings you would have answered first.

>Except piracy boosts sales it's been proven
The classic lie. Every thread.

yeah it's not fucking fair, I hope the police finds you and fucks you over

Get loans.

i do make artesian beer but my reddit skills are not quite there yet

developers get all the money they need from buyfags in the first place anyway, PLUS now they also get extra marketing and recognition of their game from pirates who wouldn't have bought the game otherwise, but since they pirated it and liked it they now go around talking about the game and discussing it with others, making youtube videos from it etc, advertising the game for free and boosting sales

>AHHH MISTER GARIBALDI

>living in a country so fucked, so cucked, so dystopic that you can get arrested for making copies

>Except piracy boosts sales it's been proven
Maybe for high visibility games. But please do tell this to several of my friends in different smaller game studios with games that are actually good and interesting, none of that wishy-washy nu-game bullshit. All of them went belly-up because people wouldn't bother paying $15-20 and instead pirated their shit. I've seen the numbers, the best ratio I saw was around 76% pirated.
But yeah, I guess you're gonna ignore them because *overall* for the bigger companies it's all rainbows and sunshine, right?

but I did answer a better question than the one you asked. avoid monoliths of though like the "industry" and making global changes. focus on your niche. work at understanding a bit more, don't just crave the win.

>classic lie
proof?

i like stealing too

>i pirate all my games

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but wheres the source

>e-cuck calling anyone pathetic

the only countries where you can't get fucked for it is shit poor countries you stupid fuck

retard
the numbers and what you are misquoting and misattributing come from before when those that pirated used to buy games a lot, in much larger numbers from those that didn't pirate and who bought only a few games every year
you're a fucking retarded chimp
>since they pirated it and liked it they now go around talking about the game and discussing it with others, making youtube videos from it etc, advertising the game for free and boosting sales
retarded zoomer piece of trash
kill yourself
you're not a part of a club, you're just a retard with access to the internet
the sad part is how stupid you are really

>he doesn't know

>poorfag with a wojack folder and a cuck obsession thinking he is above anyone else

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I just dont know how to pirate and i dont know where to ask without getting banned or trolled

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>but I did answer a better question
Describe said question. And stop speaking cryptically and start speaking like a normal human being.

ban wojak faggots

don't worry, those the pirate and post here about their great feat are just as retarded and incompetent as you are

>Treating simple opportunism as ethier parasite mentality or demonizing anything that isnt being a parasite as beta.
>Pretending that whether people should use free alternatives or not is the road to die on
>Every argument just devolves into coomerbrain shitflinging with evolutionary buzzwords as if human life is nothing more than animals competeing still.

Just nuke this worthless board, i doubt many would even miss it.

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If piracy didn't exit I would no spend money on a pc more than 5k in my lifetime same with smartphones. They act like they don't make money with piracy but that's not true.
In the absence of piracy gaming wold mean nothing for me. The reason most people pirate is financial or inconvenience since it's easy to pirate. I don't have a credit card or bank account but I have massive debt. With piracy I still can afford to game.

>>Every argument just devolves into coomerbrain shitflinging
Lost me there. Your brain was just as poisoned by buzzwords as the people you are complaining about. Do some introspection before coming here to act high and mighty.

let me guess, you are one of those mouthbreathers who browse internet without adblock?
why bootlickers can't comprehend simple definitions unless it supports their official line?
no, piracy is not a theft unless i magically managed to delete their source code and all copies on their distribution platform. I'm not a thief.
yes, ulicenced copying is illegal. good fucking luck actually enforcing it, especially in country where i live. feel free to call me piratefag all you want, cause that's true. bu calling me a thief you commit a slander, and simply lie. there is no place in heaven for liars.

>u don pay for tings u don has to pay u poorfag
>u mock mai cuckoldd-like behavio so u obsses wit cuckol n post woojac
You're bellow everyone.

Same here. I play at least one new game a week. If I had to pay full price for those I'd be in serious debt. I buy like 3-4 games a year and usually it's sequels of games I really liked

>console fags eternally seething

>poorfag wojack cuck has to devolve to baby speak to sound like he's not trash
lmao

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>Consuming the work of others without paying them is theft
low IQ post, learn what stealing means

I dont even hate the term it's referring to, but cant we ever have a discussion that's not just "Me good you bad" displayed a thousand different ways.

The moral highground part comes from not being a thief and actually contributing to something. Piracy is theft in spirit, people who pirate have the same intention as thieves

T-Thank you user

>paypig calling others cucks
I need more games, go pay for me.

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Investors, hundreds of white collar businessman who are promised returns in the millions by deceptive CEOs. It's how the industry has run for the last 15 years.

>buy a game on Steam
>download the game
>refund it
>download a crack for the game

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Yes but piracy does hurt industries in real life. Also to pirate certain games you have to wait, where as i can get any game i want whenever i want

>anime
>devolve to baby speak to sound like he's not trash
You're the trash, user.

I used to pirate all my games until I downloaded malware off an early crack of one of the Batman games.

Now I just wait for sales. It’s not like I have much time for vidya these days, anyway.

>but cant we ever have a discussion that's not just "Me good you bad" displayed a thousand different ways
people here don't wanna argue in good faith, only mock and humiliate their opponents, i wonder if it was always like this here.

It actually helps the industry it seems

yes

It’s like that everywhere. People argue on the internet precisely because they can do so without good faith.

Bitch, you're just a thief and a parasite, you have no high ground here.

No it doesn't fag, there is no evidence of that. You people are just thieves, nothing more.

>not buying iz stealing
lmaoooooo

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>Not using trusted, verified RePack websites and reading the comments.

Piracy is theft in spirit. Yeah sure it doesn't fit the technical definition, but the intentions of people doing it are the same. They want to obtain things through illegal means so they don't have to pay for it.

how can i be a thief if i don't steal anything, paypig-kun?

Yea Forums likes to argue more than like ANYTHING. Even when it doesn't make sense.

>wojak
thanks for conceding the point

all you had to do was not being retarded

Yes, piracy is theft in spirit. Your intentions are the same as a thief when you pirate.

wow, that was fucking weak.
I'll take it as admission of defeat.

Wojak Wojak Wojak Wojak Wojak Wojak Wojak Wojak Wojak Wojak Wojak Wojak

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>poorfag who has to rely on crackers to get any games calling others cucks
Go and beg your masters to crack RDR2 for you poorfag

You're the one who had to devolve to baby speak to try to make me sound retarded since you can't beat my arguments or call me anything bad that's even remotely close to a wojack spamming poorfag with a cuckold obsession.

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>schizo thinks he is alone with his bull on the thread
lmaooooooooo

always remember:
pirates are online niggers

>entitled getting things for free
>GIMME DAT
>mental gymastics to justify their behaviour
>chimp out when called out

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Piracy is theft in spirit, the intentions of a pirate and a thief are the same.

>lmaoooooooooo
lol

Legal is a made up term. Your guverment steals half your paycheck every month while doing nothing and that's OK. But video-game piracy oh no...

>piracy is theft in spirit
YOU CAN'T MAKE THIS SHIT UP
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>lmaooooooooo
haha

I don't care about the opinions of a leech. Go kill yourself coward. I have more respect for people who admit that they like to steal

TUTURU~

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Wojak

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No, many laws are necessary for society to function. Don't be a nigger. Wait, i forgot. Pirates ARE niggers

I have been pirating for almost a decade, probably stole thousands of dollars in videogames.
Why buyfags are suddenly seething these days ? I don't even remember anti piracy goy mobs

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still angry about that one time i "pirated" iur candy?

DOOT DOO DOO

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the intentions of a pirate, a thief and a buyer are the same: to enjoy the product

You never stole anything in your life if you did you would know its an act of desperation. Piracy is just to have fun you won't starve or end up homeless if you don't pirate.

ok paycuck

based, i can get games anytime i want, wherease pirates have to wait for crackers to do anything. An yet they call us cucks. I even saw a thread earlier where they were talking about donating to one of these crackers. LOL. Its like paying a thief to steal something from you.

>The Talmud is the second holiest book of the Jewish religion, after the Bible itself. And it contains a law that changed my life when I first learned about it: “If you enter a store, you are not allowed to ask the storekeeper the price of an item if you know in advance that you won’t buy it.”
was he right Yea Forums?

this argument holds no water since corporate overlords cling to technical definitions when pushing literal gambling into games.
that's what i meant by refusing to acknowledge definition unless it fits your narrative.
I really hope you don't do this shit for free or because you actually believe your words, eat shit and die shill. i'm done talking to you.

>anti-piracyfags are trannies
sasuga

no such laws in my country, ergo IP is unnecessary for a functional society. u mad white boi?

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Nice try Goldberg, piracy is peak capitalism
>One sells a game for 60$
>Another sells it for 0$
Nothing personnel kid

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Buyfags are jealous and seething

HEY PAYKEK, IT'S TIME TO PAY FOR MY GAME.

THAT'S RIGHT SPEND THAT HARD EARNED PAYCHECK YOU GOT FROM WORKING 9 HOURS A DAY IN A MIN WAGE JOB JUST SO I CAN PLAY MY GAME FOR FREE

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No, the intentions of a pirate and a thief are to obtain things illegaly whilst screwing over the people who own that thing, so that they can enjoy it. Basically niggers

>reddit dead redemption 2
i am a cracker myself, my paycuck with shit taste friend.

Could you sell a gaming PC in third world country without piracy? How about a smartphone? Most tech industry's need piracy to grow. If you stop it you will slow down everything. Prove me wrong

ok online nigger

You sound like a sheltered kid. People steal for fun and profit as well, not just for desperation. Piracy is theft in spirit.

gamedev here, no matter what stance I take I will be shit on by the other side. So I guess I'll just say
>fuck niggers,
>fuck anime,
>fuck incels,
>fuck trannies,
>fuck basedboys
>fuck liberals
>fuck trump
>fuck centrists
>fuck piracy
>fuck video games
>fuck yourself

-100 social credit

>gamedev here
yeah prove it fag

If you exclude physical harm to others all laws exist to control the stupid slaves like you

Post your games so I fucking pirate them

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Not all games have gambling in them, thief. I do this to put you in your place. Never show your face here again.

A third world shithole is not a fully functional society.

All I see are piratefags saying they're Chads, then desperately trying to justify their pirating to other people. Virgin move.

>based, i can fuck my wife anytime i want , wherease bulls have to wait for my wife to let them fuck her while i watch. An yet they call us cucks. I even saw a thread earlier where they were talking about impregnating one of these hotwifes. LOL. Its like paying a prostitute to fuck you.

Shit companies deserve no money for their shit games.

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some are tho, just not a good ones.

still have better healthcare than you muttoid

>I even saw a thread earlier where they were talking about donating to one of these crackers
proof or it didnt happen nigger

>it's a shit game
>but I'll pirate it and play it because it's SHIT
>It's so fucking shit god damn it
>But I really want to play it

>not saging wojack threads
this is the future YOU choose Yea Forums

>paypig calling anyone sòy

what, no.. don't do that, please, I-I need to feed my family. we are all very sick from the corona virus that's going around *cough cough* I don't think little robby can take it.. please don't pirate MY game. hah hah, just pirate anyone elses.. please.. pretty please..

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kek

That is already vastly different from OPs position though.

I didn't though, I chose against it. But because democracy is shit my opinion got overruled by thousands of retards. Make me the owner of 4channel and I will bring back peace, justice and prosperity.

Yes, when you want a service or product you pay for it, like a functional member of society. Piratefags are just thieves and leeches. Also most people buy games in the first few weeks in which they are released, when you can't access them anyways. Not only that you guys actually pay cracking groups so they keep stealing in your stead.

>online nigger thinks anyone cares about his opinion

Didn't I tell you to go back to sucking your cracker masters cocks poorfag?

>I'm a cracker myself
Yeah and I'm the king of Holland.
RDR2 is the game you poorfags are all desperately wanting, it's got 140k+ comments and 80k followers on crackwatch. It's a shit game sure but you poorfags wouldn't know about that since you can't even play it

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Like i said, you're a nigger

I'm fine with piracy since there is no reason for companies to make so much money on absolute crap. If you exclude independent games most companies make you overpay like the idiot you Are. When the profits are in the billions its also theft. If I sell you something worthless and constantly lay about everything its called a scam if a multinational does it its called marketing.

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>140k+ comments and 80k followers on crackwatch.
wow what a bunch of faggots

ok paytranny

False equivocation. Games are not my wife, faggot. You guys are still pathetic for having to pay cracking groups.

>sneaking in "pirating is unethical" to make buying SP look bad because you have no real argument

>Go to store to buy groceries
>Steal from liquor store on the way home
>It’s not theft because you only had the money to buy groceries

>stop paying for games
>games I like stop being released
>maybe get something within a 5 year span
>always flops because not enough people buy it
>notice that I am not the target demo for more and more games
>nothing is "good" anymore
But voting with your dollars is a fairly tale. I'm gonna start paying for games and if I dont see immediate results, such as AAA dev companies sending me personal letters thanking me for my 60 dollars then it is back to piracy.

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No I was homeless for a while that's how I escaped the situation. Theft is useful and if you steel from actual rich people it's less harmful since they stole it from poor and stupid people. Very few people steel for fun and most of them are black

Piracy is theft in spirit, and theft is considered unethical in basically all cultures. Also there are good arguments for buying games. Its more convenient and you can get access to them earlier

>I'm the king of Holland
you are quite effeminate and cringy, your Majesty.
>RDR2 is the game you poorfags are all desperately wanting
and? still a shit game
>it's got 140k+ comments and 80k followers on crackwatch
>he keeps up with the crackwatch following
not even i do that my man.

retard

stealing a physical asset removes the money from the owner, copying a game doesn't

>>

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>theft in spirit

cope

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>Piracy is theft in spirit
Can’t steal what isn’t owned

>he says while caring enough to reply

Good games aren't being made anymore because of gaming becoming mainstream

Except that some rich people actually earned their money fairly.

How can I say no to a sweet Innocent game dev
Let me pay your patreon

Ok, Todd. One more copy of Skyrim please. I'd like the smart fridge edition.

>go to the store to buy groceries
>makes a identical copy of a product of a liquor store materialize without taking or damaging the already existing one
>somehow that's stealing
a more apt comparison

if it's so moral then why do you and other pirates feel triggered when someone says something against it?

Piracy is indeed theft in spirit since the intentions and goals of a pirate and a thief are the same. Also you can own games, you can buy a physical copy or permanently store your copy on your hard drive.

What laws benefit you personally? If you aren't extremely rich law against theft are there so you can't recover what the government takes from you or insurance.
If you really think about thinks from a jew perspective you will understand you are a stupid slave and everyone is taking advantage of you

>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO STOP ENJOYING WHAT I PAID FOR, FOR FREEE ONLINE NIGGEEERS NIGGERS NIGGERS NIGGERS I AM NOT A KEK YOU NIGGERS
Jesus christ

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Yes, I pay money to purchase single player games to support the developer. How could you tell?

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>and? still a shit game
Yes and I even said that but I shouldn't have expected you third worlders to be able to read that much.

>>he keeps up with the crackwatch following
I don't but unlike you I can use google and look such things up in just a few seconds since I live in a first world country with good internet

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>the intentions and goals of a pirate and a thief are the same.
This is what you want to believe but it simply isn’t true

see:

It is stealing because the vendor paid for the labor to make the product.

>disguised wojak thread
fuck you all

So, simply because I want something for free, makes me a thief?

If someone wishes they got a new house and a car for free, that automatically makes them a thief?

>>disguised wojak thread
>fuck you all

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You pay for TV and that's crap, same thing with niggerflix they have an agenda. You can find propaganda in everything made it doesn't mater if you pay for it or not.

Because for indie titles piracy does actually make a big effect on sales. Thread is probably teeming with indie devs of titles like: First Day, Ogreworld, Jimmy's First Piss Fight, Sword and Tower and other dumb titles that they are really passionate about. You can see the sudden drop in sales when an indie game is pirated.

But the product is not stolen, only duplicated.

The labor is what you are stealing.

People can't steal from me, people can't kill me, can't enslave me physically, people cant sell me products that are not safe, and many others. Clearly you are a third worlder.

The labor is not stolen as the original product is still there.

Shows used to be about selling ad space, now they are ad space. That is how they make money now, idiot. Because they dont make back enough money to justify production anymore.

Why don't zoomers pirate? When I was a kid and realized I could get shit for free it was amazing

>u-u third world
denmark is a third world country with shit internet now, the more you know.

ill steal from you and you'll learn what law is retard

>they even have the highest IQ average of all europe
That's Finland. IQ has not much to do with intelligence anyway.

You haven't meet many rich people. Also you can't be rich and honest that's not how it works. If you sell something at the actual value you make nothing to profit you have to lie to people and make them overvalue what you are selling. To become rich you have to scam people one you understand that you will start making money.

The original product has no value, you think the disc itself is worth shit? The cost is coming from the labor that went into the product.

>Another thread where Yea Forums pretends not to understand the difference between product and service economics

Because YouTube and streaming is superior to television you dong donut

"I made my own entrance to the freakshow tent, so technically I dont have to pay admission. I am doing nothing wrong." Those freaks need to eat too, user. People like you stopped paying to see them and now the only freaks I can find seem to be crackheads on yourube. Tfw you will never see a half man again because the pirates didnt pay for their tickets.

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that doesn't refute his argument in any way, shape or form tho

>Game is $60
>Nope fuck that
>Play pirated games on consoles or cheaper physical
>Wait until game is cheap
>Get physical copy for collection
>Repeat

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>The original product has no value
If the original product has no value then why is there a problem with stealing it? By your line of thinking the worker still gets paid for his work

Yes but that doesnt change the fact that no one watches ads anymore, so the ads are in the content now. How do you not understand that?

Not that fucking hand again

false equivalence but even in your exemple the said freaks lost no money as he wasn't even going to pay in the first place.

>"I made my own entrance to the freakshow tent, so technically I dont have to pay admission. I am doing nothing wrong."
The freaks moved from their tents and onto Twitter and tumblr, there is literally no reason to pay to see them.

Me on the left in the top right

dilate

The worker only gets paid so long as there’s value in his labor, stealing the product values his labor at $0 for that transaction.

He can't be the smartest kid on the block, he posts wojak after all.

If you immediately think someone has to follow something to know about it in the age of fast internet and google then you're either basing it of your own experiences or clinically retarded. And I wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt that you were just poor with shitty internet and not retarded

All that tells me is anyone still watching that kind of media is a retard.

The guverment takes half your paycheck every month, can kill you at any time directly or by sending you to war, can and enslaves you with debt, you get all tipes of untested medications an food unsafe cars building bridges. I live in Italy and would never consider moving to the USA.

Why can't they? What is stopping anyone from doing any of that to you? The law? No, they come after the crime is committed. Get a gun

They don't make money because they aren't good. And aren't good because thy aren't made for people and are propaganda

Alright and that’s all well and good. Now tell me how having a copy of a product that’s still on the shelf is stealing from the worker.

how's kung flu treating you, pasta connoisseur?

Nice counter argument

>u poor
just remembering about it and bothering to look it up just to say "heh look at how many people want this shitty game" is already pathetic enough if you ask me.

It costs money to develop a game. If everyone pirated it from the start how would they get it back? It'd be a loss and would discourage further development. If no one buys a thing then said thing stops being made. There's nothing wrong with supporting a developer whose products you really enjoy.

>If no one buys a thing then said thing stops being made.
God if only this would happen to AAA games more often

>It costs money to develop a game. If everyone pirated it from the start how would they get it back?

But paycucks always exist and will exist, enough for them to get their money

You have a very silly understanding of what we are discussing.

>Yes, I pay money to purchase multiplayer games, I can't pirate them so that means I should pay right?

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>Product makes X amount of money
>Worker is paid Y for labor
>Product loses a hypothetical amount of X
>Worker is paid Q less because market is Z less profitable

If my shows are nothing but ads I will go elsewhere to watch what I want, it’s that’s simple

Mediocre at best

You can justify stealing literally anything with this

It's fine I'm in my 20s but the country is full of old people so it's going to be a disaster.
The nearest case is like 20km from my house so that's fun

No because if you steal something, then the owner is not able to sell it to those who'd be willing to pay for it

If you pirate a game, (copy it), the developer can still sell it to anyone who's willing to pay for it

See

>just remembering about it
All I remembered were all the threads laughing about RDR2 not being cracked I've seen while browsing the catalog. I actually had to google around to find what the site was called.
It's also not a bother to google something since it takes a few seconds max which you'd know if you had good internet

What cost of development? That's the least expensive part all the money is going to actor's and advertising if they would actually use the money and I mean all the money on the game it would make 10 times the profit. Your advertising shouldn't be 70% of the budget it should be 15% max

No, you are accessing things via illegal channels so you don't have to pay for it, and breaking copy protections so you can do so. That makes you a thief
Actually, no. You have to break copy protection first. That makes it stealing

It's unethical to pirate generally. However there are a few reasons where you can ethically pirate a video game:
1) it's censored
2) it's only available through emulation because the devs are console faggots (basically 90% Jap devs)

The cost of labor is what is stolen, not the product itself. You are going in circles and saying the entire service industry is useless because their labor is not a tangible thing on the shelf.

"In common usage, theft is the taking of another person's property or services without that person's permission or consent with the intent to deprive the rightful owner of it"

You aren't depriving the developer of his game therefore it's not theft

In order to pirate games you must first break copy protection. That means by pirating you are letting in many other pirates. Piracy is theft is spirit.

"breaking copy protection" has nothing to do with theft

I love that this dumb joke is still relevant.

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I'm downloading a VR headset as we speak

>Literally just arguing semantics

Actually you are, you are breaking copy protection so that many others can access the game for free without consequence. Also piracy is technically not the same thing as theft, its intellectual property theft, but its still theft in spirit.

>You have to break copy protection first. That makes it stealing
it doesn't tho

>Actually you are, you are breaking copy protection so that many others can access the game for free without consequence
still not theft

>or services

This is what you stole.

Everytime.

Based.

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intellectual property doesn't exist, you dishonest kike.

>The cost of labor is what is stolen
The labor is paid for before the product hits the shelves, since we’re still talking about video games. For that matter, what labor is being done on a game that was made years ago?

Can you read? I said piracy is theft in spirit. Also copy protection is similar to a security system. By breaking copy protection you are depriving the owner of many sales, by letting other pirates in.

I didn't steal any services retard

Stealing a service would mean I took the game from the developer, made myself the owner of it and began selling it or just keeping the ownership for myself

yeah im sure pirates are the responsible for it not dev laziness and incompetence lol

yeah now keep paying cuck your imaginary good boy points are on the line

OK let's say you are right. Without piracy i would have never had games growing up since parents refused to pay from games got my first job at 25 without a passion for games because of piracy do you think I would be buying games now? I don't think I'm alone, when you are young you don't have money. When you grow up you don't have time and will just buy games but not without the habit developed when yong

It is theft in spirit. You are depriving the owner of many sales by breaking copy protection. Also, the intentions and goals of a pirate are the same as that of a thief.

I will buy single player games once in a blue moon if it's bringing over a japanese game or some franchise i love, otherwise yeah buying singleplayer when you can torrent is foolish and literally only boomers who are scared of muh viruses do it

breaking a security system doesn't mean theft
> By breaking copy protection you are depriving the owner of many sales, by letting other pirates in
sales he wouldn't have gotten otherwise anyway?

Also piracy boosts sales

im a right wing chad and i pirate games what now?

>It is theft in spirit.
No, it’s buying without money

If you see money laying down on a street and you pick it up with no one around, are you a thief because your intentions are the same like those of a thief (you want to get money for free?)

and why should we stop? because it upsets (you)?

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>The labor is paid for before the product hits the shelves
And the cost is passed on to you as a consumer, you obviously aren't buying the disc for the physical object.
>what labor is being done on a game that was made years ago?
That is why the price of games go down over time retard.

>its intellectual property theft
theft would imply that something is taken away making the original owner unable to use it, neither is the case.

>You are depriving the owner of many sales by breaking copy protection
>you are taking away sales that never happened

Is this a thread about steeling spirit's? If you absolutely hate piracy just use stadia and when you own nothing nobody will be able to take it right. Except Google will

It does exist, if you come up with a patent for something, its yours. And someone copying it to make profit off of it is the same as stealing
Actually it is pirates fault. By breaking copy protection you are depriving owner of sales, meaning that the devs will be less invested in the pc platform. Pirate niggers are thieves and leeches with no right to criticize people who actually pay for their games.

>be a pirate
>get angry at buyfags
>actively try to stop people from paying for games
what is this single digit IQ bullshit
imagine wanting the people who sponsor your free entertainment gone
what the fuck

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yes you are and your support means shit grats

No no user. You said I’m stealing the labor of someone by copying a product. You can’t just backpedal like that

Piracy does not boost sales, there is no evidence of that. And he would have gotten those sales. If 500 000 people want to pirate a game, but can't because it can't be cracked, atleast a few will buy the game instead. And like i said, piracy is theft in spirit.