What was with Smash4?
Back when it was the main game to play (along Melee) people would defend it's gameplay and meta and even have it at the top in regards of fav smash games (though complains about the butched SP modes where common), but once Ultimate released, along with everyone dropping the game, it seems that everyone now dislikes the game and call it the worst one (yes, even worse than brawl). the gameplay is criticized much more than before (specially because of DLC Characters) and even ex-smash4 pro-players that now play Ultimate call the game slow and shitty when they have streamed going back to it, seems that the game just got forgotten and whenever is brought up, it's only in a negative view.
So the question is, did people actually like Smash 4 or was it just a facade because it was a new game?
What was with Smash4?
Mmmm tits and ass.
It's called bandwagoning. Ultimate will share the same fate if another Smash came comes out and manages to not be a downgrade.
Pyra & Mythra are hotter
Who?
>if another Smash came comes out and manages to not be a downgrade.
That’s a big if. Expect Ultimate to be the final game.
it's autistic fucking retard iq faggots
>Expect this cashcow to be the last game
Imagine being this naive
It wasn't just because it was the new game, it was because it wasn't melee. Cue the endless doublethink when Ultimate was praised for getting closer to Melee while the latter was cursed in the same breath.
Imagine not realizing that they’re just gonna milk the shit out of Ultimate for the next decade. The only naïve one here is you, if you genuinely think it’s even remotely possible for a future game to surpass it.
I think it’s because Smash 4 has no purpose anymore since ultimate released and it’s basically same thing but better.
Imagine thinking they won't ever make a sequel. The Switch is going to stick around forever. Again, you're fucking stupid.
I remember when I first played Ultimate the controls felt a lot more rigid in comparison to smash 4. Am I a fucking retard or is this actually the case?
It’s the input delay the put into the controls.
>port game to next console as Smash Ultimate UNLIMITED or some bullshit
They are going to take a hint from Capcom and what they did with SFII
You have to keep in mide that Smash 4 came out after Brawl, which was a total garbage game for anyone who weren't just playing SE.
So everyone loved Smash 4, the same way a starving man would love some roting food. There's also the fact that Smash 4 DLC's pretty much killed the game and any hype around it at the end of its life cycle and now Ultimate is a really similar game but faster, with better balance and more characters. Which make Smash 4 almost totally obsolete.
I dunno, some tech (like Pivoting and fox-troting/extended dash-dance) & characters in Smash4 were fun to do (Cap.Falcon feels so much better in 4 over Ultimate, same for DK & Bowser, I also think Mac and Sheik were more enjoyable in 4).
As for balance we shall see, people would also claim Smash 4 was pretty balanced until Cloud fucked things up and Bayo killed it.
Too lewd
>Imagine thinking they won't ever make a sequel.
They won’t. Maybe next Nintendo console we’ll be seeing a franchise reboot of sorts over a decade from now. But no, not a sequel as Ultimate literally can’t be topped. You can’t recreate the circumstances behind this roster line-up. In fact, Squeenix almost ruined it. So no, it won’t be happening again. Enjoy it while it lasts. They’re gonna milk the fuck out of Ultimate for as long as they can as they know this is the franchise peak.
>The Switch is going to stick around forever.
We know for a fact that it’ll be around longer than usual. They announced that officially three years ago, and so far the Switch has been performing better than expected. Most Nintendo consoles have 5-6 year lifespans. Switch will be getting revisions and such to keep it relevant, but it’ll be around well throughout the 2020s. I can assure you they’re not going to just drop the Switch 2 years from now.
>Again, you're fucking stupid.
No U.
All the signs that Ultimate will be the final Smash game, at least for a while, are right there. But you’re willfully ignorant pf that in childish denial.
IF there is a new Smash game; it’ll be roughly a decade from now, and a franchise reboot of sorts. This is it for the incremental sequels the series has been getting since Melee, if anything for the mere fact that the roster straight up can’t be replicated in future games, and pretty much all the gigahype picks are in the game already.
What you’ll likely see next gen is the MK8D treatment. A deluxe version of Ultimate, that they’ll add another Fighter’s pass to or some shit. Sakurai won’t be directing it. It’ll likely be Nintendo’s first attempt at trying the franchise without him.
>So the question is, did people actually like Smash 4 or was it just a facade because it was a new game?
It was still an improvement from Brawl, so it was a lot better. It's the only Smash game that's objectively obsolete now since it's just worse Ultimate, though. Brawl still has unique content for single player, Melee is Melee, and 64 is its own beast.
I have a feeling the next entry won't be as well regarded as Ultimate however and will probably be slower. I want to find the interview but Sakurai has already said that maybe it was too fast for online, so I expect the next one to be dumbed down. Alongside having all the characters up until this point, Ultimate might stick around longer than expected.
>Cap.Falcon feels so much better in 4 over Ultimate
tbf, one of the reason C.Falcon felt so much better was because Smash 4 was still way too fucking slow while Falcon was almost Melee tier in the speed department.
That and his knee. They really butchered is knee in Ultimate, even after they patched it.
Smash 4, like all smash games, was fun as fuck casually. Competitively the community lied to itself because they'll try to recreate the hype and competitive viability of melee until the end of time
Falcon's movement in Ultimate is ass,he feels so sluggish to move around, it's the main reason people say he sucks in the game.
Smash4 Falcon was braindead with those dashgrab combos but atleast he was fun to play.
I liked Smash 4 when I first played it. I didn't like Ultimate at all.
I haven't had the chance to go back and compare, yet.
You don’t move with that character. You just spam his fullscreen dash/special attacks that can’t be punished then mix throws in.
Nah ultimate's gameplay is great and the theme is way better. When I was playing 4 i liked it because it was smash and the newcomers were cool but the theme was weak and after playing ultimate it was just what brawl should have been in terms of gameplay
This.
stop playing slow fatasses like DDD if you want to be able to punish cross ups
just post more samus
>whenever is brought up, it's only in a negative view.
>did people actually like Smash 4 or was it just a facade because it was a new game?
This happened with Brawl going to Smash 4. If we get another Smash title... it will happen to Ultimate. Only the Melee heads haven't dropped their game.
I still remember when Nintendo posted this pic. Good times.
People wanted a new game to play competitively since Brawl dropped the ball in that department. It was either smash 4 or melee. So of course people chose smash 4. Ultimate is a direct improvement to smash 4, so of course everyone dropped it. And don't get it twisted about Brawl, one side thinks Brawl is better because of it's content, the other thinks smash 4 is better because it's a way better game competitively. Subspace Emissary was tons of fun and really cool, and it sucked when Smash 4 didn't have anything of the like, so the people who enjoyed Brawl casually prefer Brawl by a long shot. What I'm saying it isn't "everyone collectively thinks one thing". Smash 4 was fun but Ultimate is better in every way so there's no reason to play it anymore.
God samus was hot in 4.
She really just put on weight in 4, she's hotter in Ultimate.
you have to go back
Come on, she's fat in places.
>sybb
kys, I agree ult>4 but that's cause I'm a musclefag. kys sybb
I'm not Sybb you fatass. Just saying Ultimate Samus is superior
was in this game where bowser had that dumb pivot grab?
Shrunken down and ruined you mean.
Fit and in shape, you mean.
Her but literally caves off in ultimate its gross.
Her art in Ultimate's banner is the best of both world:
>Muscle definition
>Still got her ass and her tits
It's called a fit ass, faggot. Not the fat blubber she has in 4.
Its called a badonk idiot.
Listen. This guy knows what he's talking about:
Just having a big, fat ass doesn't make it great.
Because ultimate came along and improved on it in almost every way (except I think the visuals), so 4 is completely obsolete in a way that none of the previous ones are
The speed is fine for online. The biggest problem Ultimate suffers from a connection standpoint is the fact that Switch doesn't have an Ethernet port, so everyone's experience is hindered by something that would have otherwise been more resolved.
It's going to be the forgotten smash. No subtitle ensures that.
The only interesting thing it offered was custom moves, and even then they were impossible to effectively unlock, so nobody fucking used them.
>50+ characters with 8 moves to unlock
>You can unlock duplicates
Yeah fuck all of that
That, and the matchmaking is fucking dogshit.
>Can’t switch characters between matches without leaving,
>always ranked, so it’s full of tryhards who leave if they lose/almost lose
>no predetermined bo3 ruleset for ranked
>no casual random matchmaking to warm up without dropping in rank
>Ranking is ass-backwards and no proper indicator of how good you are relative to other players, hindering improvement
>stage selection is trash
>no option to play other potentially fun rulesets like: 2v2 with a local friend, the new Tag Team mode which is awesome but hardly sees play
>sometimes the game will forget what color you chose as well
It’s one of the most incompetent online matchmaking systems in any game ever.
t. obsessed coomer
Go back to facebook
Smash 4 sucked because of it's over defensive gameplay.
Smash ultimate sucks a lot less, but greatly suffers from campy play style which a handful of character can go through. That and disjointed hotboxes and, most of all, dumb asspulls moves. (Don't even get me started with Joker or Link)
they also made the game way worse lmao
The fact that it suffers from campy play style is the reason I don't play Smash online anymore. It's literally based on which player can be the biggest coward.
64 and Melee were perfect games for their time.
Brawl was a mistake.
Smash 4 was also a mistake, but not as bad a mistake as Brawl. So given that Melee was 13 years old, some were happy to at least get a game better than Brawl.
Ultimate is a nearly perfect game much closer in vein and blood ancestry to 64 and Melee. And it's current. Thus, literally everyone except the most diehard of Meleefags switched to Ultimate. With Ultimate literally and figuratively in our hands, it was much easier to see that Smash 4 was not nearly as good a game as we tried to convince ourselves it was.
There's your explanation, happy now?
What's worse is that most campy characters are mid to heavy and have moves to shrug off brawlers, who tends to be light to mid.
You're basically chipped until ko %, and when you finally get it, they win with 1-5 frames moves that kill.
This game is so fucking infuriating.
Its attached to the WiiU, so its getting what it fucking deserves
I actually fucking loved smash 4
Never played it though. Just loved how their was this one fat Indian dude who showed up to every tournament and won every single fucking time. Was absolutely hilarious to watch all these hapa's and beta males get their shit kicked in by the tech support god. Absolutely hilarious. I think he won like over 200 tournaments in a row or something ridiculous like that. .
Imagine grabbing a handful of this
t. obsessed coomer
I dunno, I just don't find 4 or Ult that fun to play/watch compared to 64 or Melee.
And no, I'm not a Meleefag, I enjoy it but I also get tired of it.
Let's post some sexy pics from 4
Back when she was thiccc.
The same happens every smash.
Melee and 64 chads can't stop winning.
Remember how fat her ass was in 4
People bitch about ZSS but I think she's really fun to play, lagless aerials are always a joy to land and her combos are fun to do.
Is this the bad opinions thread?
There's literally no point for a female character to exist if they're not sexualized at least a little bit.
is Samus a size queen, bros?
Brawl was fucked by balance but had a lot more techs and was far better to play than what people think.
Smash 4 didn't have based Solid Snake so it's automatically shit.
I hate hentai with Samus because no one draws her towering over everyone like she actually would.
>Samus is shorter than I am
I want to pin her down and make her feel petite and feminine.
Non-canon.
Smash 4 was very fun to play, and sick moments happened in competitive matches, but it favored slow defensive play. There are some mechanics i still miss, like perfect pivoting and more reliable ledge trumping, maybe even untechable footstools.
People are going to start shiting on Ultimate once the next gamer comes out. Nearly everyone having the ability to just spam aerials and most of the the top tiers having a everything move like Smash4 Dorf and prenerf ZSS uairs also cause camping ala Sonic and Melee Falcon. You may be jumping around + spamming nair, but you're still camping and yes, I'm referring to my main, Palutena's nair.
Reminder that Ganondorf had the best upair in the game that could: Jablock, simispike, start combos, combo into itself, kill, clash with basically every attack in the game, edge guard and trip. The only reason for his shit tier status was he lacked the mobility to use it.
Ganondorf's smashes and tilits excluding the uptilt were also fucking amazing. Ganon his nair was stupid too, but no mobility to actually use them again. Flame choke was a good tool for getting into people's minds if you read them.
All the heavies actually had really good movesets but no way to get into position to use them. Bowser was the most mobile and he had the worst moveset, yet you had people like nairo pulling them out for counterpicks.